Yeah absolutely I had that in mind as a possible interpretation. I find it doubtful though that of the minority of black households with both a mother and father they would value the family unit but not an education. IQ and intelligence are inherited, or am I wrong? While motivation and good teachers play a factor in performance at school, I would say they are a distant second to mental abilities.
For example I went to a high school that was approximately 50% white 50% black. So schools and teachers and funding were equal. In every honors class it was overwhelmingly white. I remember there only being one black student in all of my honors classes. You got into honors classes strictly by grades. You can say that the black parents didn't care, but a majority of my white classmates in those honors classes had all kinds of issues. Broken homes, abuse, all kinds of crazy shit. In fact I'm pretty sure one of the girls was a hooker, I know she worked at a strip club. They didn't sit in class whining all day to the teacher they didn't understand the chemistry equation though. Oh and guess what, the basketball team had one white kid on it.
thecentaur .... I agree with what you say. The keys to the kingdom is education. If any group wants to improve their future.... it will be through education. Hard work is helpful but education will be the fastest way to change. I think the hardest job is a single parent. You have to do everything..dishes, clothes, shopping, paying the bills etc. You dont have the time or energy to work with your children to teach them to read and challenge them. The correlation with single families and poor academics would be very positive.
The high percentage of single parent families in the black community is the biggest factor holding them back. Until they address this they will never prosper in the United States......it would not matter how much free advanced education they received.
The high percentage of single parent families in the black community is the biggest factor holding them back. Until they address this they will never prosper in the United States......it would not matter how much free advanced education they received.
Ok I looked at the link. I don't think it supports your argument. This study, from the information given, focused on physical traits and diseases.
The study mentions nothing in that link about intelligence, scholastic performance, income levels, or other variables we are discussing. The study focused on human traits and disease. Any mention of traits in a scientific study are referring to things like curly hair, face shape, height, etc. The study just doesn't pertain to our discussion IMO
Here is the first link that came up (that wasn't wikipedia) when I googled "separated identical twins income level"
http://www.livescience.com/47288-twin-study-importance-of-genetics.html
One interesting paragraph was this:
[FONT="]Another study, commissioned by the editor of the journal Science, looked at genetics and IQ. The Minnesota researchers found that about 70 percent of IQ variation across the twin population was due to genetic differences among people, and 30 percent was due to environmental differences. The finding received both praise and criticism, but an updated study in 2009 containing new sets of twins found a similar correlation between [/FONT]genetics and IQ[FONT="].[/FONT]
http://www.livescience.com/47288-twin-study-importance-of-genetics.html
One interesting paragraph was this:
[FONT="]Another study, commissioned by the editor of the journal Science, looked at genetics and IQ. The Minnesota researchers found that about 70 percent of IQ variation across the twin population was due to genetic differences among people, and 30 percent was due to environmental differences. The finding received both praise and criticism, but an updated study in 2009 containing new sets of twins found a similar correlation between [/FONT]genetics and IQ[FONT="].[/FONT]
I know one. That Science Guy. I forget his name, he's always talking about Space, Stars, and Black 'Hos. He got in a Rap Battle with B.o.B, another Black Intellectual who was trying to tell The Science Guy that the Earth is Flat, Science Guy insisted he was wrong even insulting & demeaning B.o.B's Intelligence in General but turns out B.o.B. was right, the Earth is Flat I know cuz Rolltide has pictures of it in the Flat earth Thread http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=1079879&p=12047394&viewfull=1#post12047394 and as anyone can see from those pictures its obviously Flat so B.o.B. 1 Science Guy 0 at the end of Round 1
Ah so You already see through that Round Earth Lie, Fake Science as B.o.B and Kyrie Irving have, yes.
Rolltide's Photos shattering the Illusion did not surprise you then. I should have expected that you'd already found out.
Seen Behind The Curtain.
You'll appreciate the Video that set The Science Guy off, cuz it deals with other subject matter, same vein as Flat Earth, that you would be familiar with but other people would not.
Then I'll post in a follow-up post The Science Guy's Smack Back at B.o.B, if you don't listen to Rap/Hip-Hop listen to these cuz I wanna ax you dis:
Just Rap Lyrics themselves, Hip-Hop How in the HELL can Black Artists compose the Lyrics that they do and not be "intellectuals"?
NAS, Immortal Technique, KRS-One, ChinoXL (may be Full Puerto Rican, no Black.), Damian Marley, guys from Wu-Tang Clan and Outcast, Black Thought, Pharoahe Monch, 2pac and so many others I better just stop cuz I'll leave people off any list, gotta mention that really young kid from years ago that I can't recall his name or any of his lyrics so as to Google but I'll maybe recall....he was an Incredible Lyricist, that guy. Immortal Technique-Level, at times and especially cuz the cat was like 15 years old.
Rap/Hip-Hop Fan or not, an Objective Intelligent person hears these young Black people's Lyrics and those sewn into their FLOWS, how they're able to deliver those...how would it be even remotely possible to not conclude they are intellectual? At least where writing is concerned?
Trouble they get in, yeah, maybe that disqualifies some of them. Maybe it doesn't though? Whats your definition of Intellectual?
I don't mean that Nasty, don't mean that in an insulting way. I mean is an Intellectual one who never does ever any -EV Stupid stuff?
Can an Intellectual be just really really Sharp at one thing? Such as Writing Lyrics and Reciting/Rapping those? In incredible ways?
This ain't the Best Example, like any of the names I listed above would have been, of Lyrical Genius...
but it ain't Hideous, per that and you will enjoy the Subject matter of this one then The Science guy's return Volley in next post
thats pretty decent. I did as soon as I re-watched The Science Guy in that Vid I out up there ^^^ figure I might get called on him being Mullato.
Rather than Pure Black.
You will like the References B.o.B makes here, he goes fairly deep.
Respectably Deep
Its good-ass Poetry, very well Formed with Knowledge of stuff.
Would a guy who can Write/Deliver Deep like this qualify as Intellectual? NAS? Immortal Technique?
If those two can't be called "Intellectuals" then no Black Person can Qualify as that, for Writing/Delivery :
i think its multi-factorial, not only socio-economic but also dare I say, cultural.
- Source: Census Bureau. “Living Arrangements of Children Under 18 Years Old: 1960 to Present.” U.S. Census Bureau, July 1, 2012. http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/hh-fam/ch5.xls
- Source: US Census Bureau, “Living Arrangements of Children Under 18”: Tables –CH-2, CH-3, CH-4. 1960 – Present. U.S. Census Bureau July 1, 2012.
how damaging is Fatherlessness to society?
anecdotally, i coach hockey: whenever I come across a kid with significant issues.......his home is seemingly always the problem.
THIS. 60+ years ago black people stayed married the out of wedlock birth rate was like 20% and hence you didnt have the crime you do today. That was under Jim Crow and that was at a time where being black was much more difficult. This was a time also where blacks owned more businesses than they do today. You also didnt have abortion killing so many blacks either 3 million and counting. FIX THE HOME AND YOU FIX THE PROBLEM. The problem is not systemic like so many SJWs like to use (them and their fucking buzz words) it is cultural. They have designed a culture where being an entertainer is the pinnacle. Everyone else is some type of failure. Listen to the music? Hip hip today is nonsense. If youre educated and you have conservative beliefs. Youre an uncle tom or a coon. Its self-defeating.
' The evidence that nature is a more significant determinant than nurture is overwhelming, including studies of separated at birth identical twins. '
cmon, man. I was refuting this statement. If you are now stating you weren't inferring such , that I somehow took that out of context, fair enough.
BTW, just so i'm clear-- What are you exactly saying ? that they have lower iq's as a race and becasue of such this is the only factor as to why they have higher rates of failure (imprisonment) in society?
what the study i posted says is this;
two boys, identical twins (they share the same genome, or at least as close as can be) .Parents divorce, mom takes one kid, dad the other.
one grows up in New York city, becomes a broker in Manhattan. Huge New York Ranger. The other grows up in a farm in Kansas. The chap in New York suffers from hypertension and high cholesterol. Does this mean his identical twin brother will?
if the evidence that nature is a more significant determinant than nurture is overwhelming then he should, most cases should...right? The study says that's not the case. The probability that the identical twin brother expressing the same disease may be higher than 2 non identical twins, tho--BUT nuture/environement is a significant factor
to me, the message is so important
If you're told it's up to you, you can do it, you have to work to succeed, you have to make your dreams come true, you can improve your life and the lives of your families, then you're more likely to succeed
If you're told you're at a disadvantage, life's not fair, you need special assistance, selfish greedy racist people are holding you down, "PUNISH YOUR ENEMIES", then your life choices are going to be different
I'm an we're all equal kinda guy. I don't look down at anybody (with very very very rare exceptions), but I don't look up to anybody either. I respect everyone from every walk of life. I don't believe laws should single out or favor any particular group. Hence there should be no special treatment based on race or sex. A crime is a crime, discrimination is discrimination, the law applies to everyone equally.
We will never have a color blind or sexist neutral society as long as we keep making excuses and we keep differentiating (read labeling) as we do as a society
If you're told it's up to you, you can do it, you have to work to succeed, you have to make your dreams come true, you can improve your life and the lives of your families, then you're more likely to succeed
If you're told you're at a disadvantage, life's not fair, you need special assistance, selfish greedy racist people are holding you down, "PUNISH YOUR ENEMIES", then your life choices are going to be different
I'm an we're all equal kinda guy. I don't look down at anybody (with very very very rare exceptions), but I don't look up to anybody either. I respect everyone from every walk of life. I don't believe laws should single out or favor any particular group. Hence there should be no special treatment based on race or sex. A crime is a crime, discrimination is discrimination, the law applies to everyone equally.
We will never have a color blind or sexist neutral society as long as we keep making excuses and we keep differentiating (read labeling) as we do as a society
i believe this is where the solution lies, without a doubt.
the black community desperately needs leader(s). Role models .They need more adults to Give A Fuck.
Folks that are passionate to evoke change, rather than cry wolf at the drop of a coin.
Sadly, the role of religion has faded in the community (this is a guesstimate)
is this issue with the black consistent across the country? or more regional?
for those that didn't click the short video i posted, here is some eye raising data;
impact of fatherless homes;
71% of high school drop-outs
71% of teenage pregnancies
85% of children with behavioral problems
90% of all homeless or runaway children
63% of teenage suicides
85% of all youth imprisonment
http://www.fathers.com/statistics-and-research/the-extent-of-fatherlessness/
impact of fatherless homes;
71% of high school drop-outs
71% of teenage pregnancies
85% of children with behavioral problems
90% of all homeless or runaway children
63% of teenage suicides
85% of all youth imprisonment
http://www.fathers.com/statistics-and-research/the-extent-of-fatherlessness/
I completely concur, which contributes to their messaging
We have policies in place that reward teenage pregnancy and then discourage the parents from getting married thus creating dysfunctional families
We've failed them to date, we need an entirely new approach. Promises of government solutions and an easy path to utopia have failed them, they need better leaders
That list is fucking staggering and sad. It all stems from family. NOW, are there things we as a whole could do differently to help them? Maybe to a degree yes. But overall the work has to be done between black women and men. This is what happens when we embrace liberal culture over a culture of family above all.
we look at all these stats and we say " hey...you Blacks...this is a freaking problem !" they simply ignore it or worse.. WE GET Labeled as a RAScist ...I'm so sick of political correctness or to say it is a cultural thing...well ...own up to it ! Take RESPONSIBILITY ....there are some hard working Blacks out there but in fairness to them , they are gong to have two strikes against them...most of WHITE people will never come out and say it but they DOn't want any parts of the black bullshit...thank god for the NBA and NFL...if they didn't exist ...where would most of these black athletes end up ?? ......YEP......EXactly
