Wisconsin students group demands free tuition for black students

[fletchisrhsm]

I will never read it again. I couldn't get thru much of it. It's embarrassing.

I lost a ban bet. Just like I won one in 2012. It happens.

ointer:
Your election prediction threads were comedy gold. funny, coming from such a seasoned volunteer of all those campaigns. Lets do a ban bet in the NBA. You dont get to post in this one for two years either, deal? You set the limits or criteria but the loser is out of Offshore too, what do you say?

 

[vitterd]

ointer:
Your election prediction threads were comedy gold. funny, coming from such a seasoned volunteer of all those campaigns. Lets do a ban bet in the NBA. You dont get to post in this one for two years either, deal? You set the limits or criteria but the loser is out of Offshore too, what do you say?

Because I thought Hillary would win a close race?? Where were your predictions?

i have a ban bet with Bourn already but you can join in. That way you can go back to your unibomber blog.

Guess you missed 2012 when I bitch slapped all your repub buddies in that election. But you an unhinged whacko just like Trump....so doubt you recall

let me get your opinion. I offered ban bets to joe and acebb. Me banned only if they win.....yet they decline. Why do you think they are such pussies?

 

[thecentaur]

okay, I was assuming you were leaning genetics as the overwhelming factor regarding higher black societal failure rate. I asked for clarification a few times, never got an answer. And it appears from the above, you are not saying this- so my assumption was wrong

and btw, i'm not defensive about anything. I took offense to your twin studies statement. It's use was wrong. Identical twins can grow up as entirely different people, despite same genes; one can be drug addict, the other a CEO. Just as that article I posted that u said was 'irrelevant'-- one sister had tremendous confidence was 'always that way'- her twin suffered from self-esteem issues, leading to 'serious' depression

its not black and white. An IQ test isnt the major barometer for whether one will end up in jail or not, or else Down Syndrome patients would fill our jails- ironically, nearly NONE of them are in jail..

That is what I'm saying, that genetics play a more significant role. Read post #159 again

The thing about being devil's advocate is it's just a constant contrarian position, it isn't about getting to evidence or truth. Then, especially when you take into account the theoretical issues we are talking about here being a devil's advocate just obfuscates the conversation since in science very little is "provable". So, is it your stance that the issues we are discussing (scholastic/economic performance) are not mostly determined genetically? Then we can move forward with the discussion. This constant "but no look at all this bullshit I copy and pasted" isn't helping anyone, just taking up space.

You say identical twins can grow up to be entirely different people one being a drug addict and one being a CEO, which is true, but where is your evidence that this type of variance is the majority? It sure isn't in all your posts and links, so why are you presenting that as evidence environment is the main determinant?

Also, I don't think i ever said IQ was the major barometer for incarceration. Then you said, "An IQ test isn't the major barometer for whether one will end up in jail or not, or else Down Syndrome patients would fill our jails- ironically, nearly NONE of them are in jail.." which is a heck of a fallacy argument.

Post all the links you want, cite one separated genetic twin saying she has problems with depression, whatever. If there isn't a huge genetic influence in blacks when it comes to poverty, corruption, scholastic performance, then why in all the different black populations around the world, in the presence or absence of racism or "institutional oppression", do they all suffer with problems in those areas?

 

[Ricboff]

cool, will agree to disagree.

 

[Albatross]

Simple solution is the student group who advocates this need to pick up the tab for those who they claim need it.

Problem solved.

 

[thecentaur]

cool, will agree to disagree.

OK fair enough

I really am curious though, how do you reconcile the stance that scholastic/economic performance is determined by environment when in all black environments around the world, from Detroit to Jamaica to Lambeth to Monrovia, blacks underperform?

 

[Ricboff]

reconcile? good grief, it is you that can't.And use this observational info as a hypothesis/belief. Then seek confirmational data, as you did with that longitudinal study-- which the AUTHORS didn't conclude anything.

For example, in my analysis of the High School Longitudinal Survey, a black student from a two-parent household with just one parent who dropped out of high school was three times more likely to repeat a grade in school than a student from a single-parent household where the primary caregiver had an associate's degree or higher.

Interpreting that is up for debate, but it definitely suggests there are more significant factors at play than household composition

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need i add more? ......and of course, any identical twin studies that dont support , become 'irrelevant'

 

[thecentaur]

reconcile? good grief, it is you that can't.And use this observational info as a hypothesis/belief. Then seek confirmational data, as you did with that longitudinal study-- which the AUTHORS didn't conclude anything.

For example, in my analysis of the High School Longitudinal Survey, a black student from a two-parent household with just one parent who dropped out of high school was three times more likely to repeat a grade in school than a student from a single-parent household where the primary caregiver had an associate's degree or higher.

Interpreting that is up for debate, but it definitely suggests there are more significant factors at play than household composition

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need i add more? ......and of course, any identical twin studies that dont support , become 'irrelevant'

Holy deflective question dodgers!

I'll ask again:

I really am curious though, how do you reconcile the stance that scholastic/economic performance is determined by environment when in all black environments around the world, from Detroit to Jamaica to Lambeth to Monrovia, blacks underperform?

Check mate.

Understand I am not out to feel superior, insult, or embarrass anyone. I just don't think lying about or willfully ignoring inconvenient truth or evidence will help solve problems, and in fact can make things worse when the people who are doing that are given tax dollars and power.

 

[Ricboff]

i don't know why you keep bringing up 'lying'. are you okay? you are not lying, neither am i. We have a difference of opinion, i said that a few posts ago. You were 'curious' as to a statement that is strong in you and is the foundation of your belief as to causation. You DIDN'T like my asnwer. Oh well... I believe i have PREVIOUSLY stated that socio-econmic/culture factors are significant


as for your tax dollars better spent?--- talk to your senator.




imo, they need to change the culture in the black community and policy , one that doesnt foster entitlement. Single family data for black AND white is disturbing

 

[thecentaur]

i don't know why you keep bringing up 'lying'. are you okay? you are not lying, neither am i. We have a difference of opinion, i said that a few posts ago. You were 'curious' as to a statement that is strong in you and is the foundation of your belief as to causation. You DIDN'T like my asnwer. Oh well... I believe i have PREVIOUSLY stated that socio-econmic/culture factors are significant


as for your tax dollars better spent?--- talk to your senator.




imo, they need to change the culture in the black community and policy , one that doesnt foster entitlement. Single family data for black AND white is disturbing

You refuse to answer this question:

I really am curious though, how do you reconcile the stance that scholastic/economic performance is determined by environment when in all black environments around the world, from Detroit to Jamaica to Lambeth to Monrovia, blacks underperform?

and I can't make you answer it. So be it.

 

[Ricboff]

lol. races have genetic differences- subsets of the human species with different characteristics. Not disputing this. I'm saying causation isnt as simple as you portray (as the twin studies show us). Did you call your senator?

have a good day

:toast:

 

[ML Dog]

I don't think i ever said IQ was the major barometer for incarceration.

If people could look into my heart & mind to determine if "Racism", as in a Hatred for certain Races, is at the Base of wanting to know what is being discussed in this thread, No Racism would be found. In that Mind & Heart. I have very little faith though, that a Search For Truth can be done, where regards the question relating to The Centaur's quote above, withOUT the Result being:

"OMG You People are So Racist."

And Then a Massive Fight. That obliterates that search for truth, Vanquishes that search for Understanding.

Of Reality.

If there isn't a huge genetic influence in blacks when it comes to poverty, corruption, scholastic performance, then why in all the different black populations around the world, in the presence or absence of racism or "institutional oppression", do they all suffer with problems in those areas?

Its All I am Asking, Really. Without any Racial Animus at all. I completely don't Understand why it is immediately so Terrible to Try and know, to try and Arrive at Truth, in regards to this question.

Do We Really honestly Believe that The World is never ever going to Ask This Question?

That its always going to be like this

A Climate in which Humans are not ALLOWED to even have Discussion? Of This?

 

[thecentaur]

lol. races have genetic differences- subsets of the human species with different characteristics. Not disputing this. I'm saying causation isnt as simple as you portray (as the twin studies show us). Did you call your senator?

have a good day

:toast:

 

[Ricboff]

Lol

not surprisingly.........that's how you see it

 

[cloverleaf]

God the humanity.............

.........sounds like Boss demanding condoms for his boyfriend here.

RX has lovebirds for those who don't know.

 

[cloverleaf]

Just a thought...but maybe BAS should start a GAY lovebird thread here at RX.

AIN'T IT BEAUTIFUL....for our friends BOSS and his limited lovely crowd....needed.

 

[boss415]

God the humanity.............

.........sounds like Boss demanding condoms for his boyfriend here.

RX has lovebirds for those who don't know.

Go back to your bathtub hooch and post us another hundred grand worth of losers in the pick thread redneck douchebag !

 

[CaptainLee]

Abraham Lincoln's remarks during the fourth Lincoln-Douglas debate at Charleston, Illinois, on September 18, 1858, where he said: I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races — that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.

 

[ML Dog]

Abraham Lincoln's remarks during the fourth Lincoln-Douglas debate at Charleston, Illinois, on September 18, 1858, where he said: I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races — that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.

Wow. Not an Abraham Lincoln quote that one hears everyday. Or...Ever, for that matter. Wow. 158+ Years Ago and from a Most Revered President.

 

[Ricboff]

Abraham Lincoln's remarks during the fourth Lincoln-Douglas debate at Charleston, Illinois, on September 18, 1858, where he said: I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races — that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.

lol, cmon, of course there are differences between races-- THAT'S why there exists races. Geez


no rebuttal from the resident Christians with this chap's post? .....where's that Jesus guy?