Wisconsin students group demands free tuition for black students

[ML Dog]

I think a part of the problem is that so many black men are raised without fathers and this is a chain reaction. The boys never really learn first hand how to be men. And mommy is always "my baby this and my baby boy that". They never want to leave their mothers. Don't know how far back this was started but this dynamic can definitely be a starting point for brothers who want to break the chain and help fix the problem. Its not an overnight project.
Its like damm if you do damm if you don't. If mommy says "stay home, don't worry, I will take care of us" the boys are always boys. If mommy needs help an the young men see the struggles their mom goes through, they go get a gun.

Within ("certain", at the very least, if not "all" or "most") Tribal Bloodlines that U.S. Blacks emanated from The Male (Father) wasn't required to be "around" to the degree that we need now, that this country and Black People for their own well-being desperately need Black Fathers to be present now.

African Culture saw Men being Hunter-Gatherers and the Women of the Villages raised the kids. Dad only "present" (to a "large" degree) within that child's life when Training to become a Hunter was required. If that Child was a Boy.

Girlchild? the Tribal Male, modern U.S. Black's Great Great Great Great Great Grandfather and prior to him: Dude was close to not past of her upbringing at all.

Tribal Men had other stuff to do. Women of the Tribe raised the kids, very frequently as a Group. Tending to all the kids of the tribe as a Group. The Women.

That was their Job. Man's Job was to Provide.

Very very distinct Roles. Like this for 1000s of years.

And The World can't seem to comprehend why Blacks are not fit DNA, Tribal-Inbred Instict-wise to be moat At Peace within a Society that needs them to Raise Their Kids so as to stop manufacturing Mentally Fucked Up Killing Machines, covered in Black Skin.

This Tribal Stuff, WHO BLACK PEOPLE ARE, is why I say: "They were not designed to exist most peacefully within a setting such as USA's Society is Today and will be going forward."

They are Supposed to be in their Homelands.

As surely as a Square Peg can't be jammed into a Round Hole, there is (was) a way that stuff was supposed to be. The Enslavement of People messed up that Order. Screwed The Synchronicity that would have seen us today on a less War-filled Rock had that Design not been shattered.


True Also is that Tribal Men commonly made babies with various and Multiple Women. This was a Cultural Norm within ("many?") Tribes.


You just don't have a species of humans doing stuff like the Tribal Ways I described above for thousands of fucking years then they stop that and start behaving totally differently "overnight".


We are all Idiots.

 

[Willie99]

and look at the people doing all the complaining, the black people who actually enjoy the opportunities of this country more so than most

I'm tired of excuses, people looking for easy street and complaining they're unlucky

 

[ML Dog]

I was born into an upper middle class white household in the suburbs. My parents raised me right. Our public school system was not the best, but my parents had enough money to send me to a private school. I was taking ACT/SAT prep courses my sophomore year and Calc 1 junior year.

Do I feel bad about any of this? Fuck no, my parents worked hard for it, and I hope to repay them by taking care of them in their twilight years.

But do I feel lucky to have been born white, and into the situation I was? Fuck yes. Same opportunities as anyone else but I was provided the means and environment to achieve them.

"White Priviledge" CrapSay is a YUGE obstacle to Progress. Damn Concept is absurd and Millineals need to stop with that bullshit noise if they want PROGRESS.

So many fucking DUMMIES creating Obstacles.


Some of the time spent in that Dialog in that Room is gonna get eaten up by having to throw millineals across the Table. And, should they then blab: "White Privilege" again:

Out The Fucking Window.

 

[HarryCaray]

actually, I do believe it, and it happens far too often to actually pretend otherwise

My mom grew up in war torn Italy, my father left an orphanage and joined the Navy at age 17. Neither had a high school diploma, my mom couldn't even speak English.

I grew up poor, even lived in the projects. But they worked and saved and worked and saved and moved into a lower middle class neighborhood. They never stopped working and saving, and they made sure I went to college. They set the table for me, and I've taken it to the next level. My kids will be better off still.

That story has been repeated 10's of millions of times throughout this country, including our former black president and other Senators and Congressmen and Judges

No single demographic has had a bigger disadvantage to overcome than the Vietnamese. Broken families, no education, war survivors, can't speak the language, racism and hatred. They came here and worked to become the highest income earning demographic in the country.

So yes, I absolutely believe it. I lived it, I watched others live it, and like with everything else in my life, I draw on my first hand experience with people and their lives to form my opinions.

Underdogs win outright sometimes.

Doesn't mean they weren't rightfully + money

 

[ML Dog]

actually, I do believe it, and it happens far too often to actually pretend otherwise

My mom grew up in war torn Italy, my father left an orphanage and joined the Navy at age 17. Neither had a high school diploma, my mom couldn't even speak English.

I grew up poor, even lived in the projects. But they worked and saved and worked and saved and moved into a lower middle class neighborhood. They never stopped working and saving, and they made sure I went to college. They set the table for me, and I've taken it to the next level. My kids will be better off still.

That story has been repeated 10's of millions of times throughout this country, including our former black president and other Senators and Congressmen and Judges

No single demographic has had a bigger disadvantage to overcome than the Vietnamese. Broken families, no education, war survivors, can't speak the language, racism and hatred. They came here and worked to become the highest income earning demographic in the country.

So yes, I absolutely believe it. I lived it, I watched others live it, and like with everything else in my life, I draw on my first hand experience with people and their lives to form my opinions.

But for Black People?

Somehow doing what The Vietnamese have done is impossible?

Just, A Bridge Too Far?

Despite Vietnamese burdened with all those weights, obstacles that Blacks did not have to shoulder, overcome?

Granted, as has been said in here: Fathers Don't Stick Around and I've conceded as many others here have that

White Folks have made mistakes. Contributed to where we are.


But Vietnamese People able to do that Willie described above. Why cannot Black People? (EnMasse: I realize many many Blacks do not fit this Mold I'm asking "WHY? they can't do as well as Vietnamese?" , I am not "Generalizing". Not saying "All Blacks are Like this".

Ya'll Know what I mean whereas a Liberal Snowflake would shout me down right now with: "YOU FUGGING RACIST BASTARD!!" and no more Dialog would they allow.)

 

[HugeUnderdog]

I think this was a good discussion. We all said out piece, agree or disagree. No name calling and cussing out the other guy. Yes we do have problems
in our societies and yes black people in the states have been trailing and it seems to have fukked up a lot of their phyche a bit. Still a good system in the
US and we still have a ways to go on the road to recovery as blacks.
Have a good weekend gentlemen, its Beer O'clock for me...

 

[StevieRay]

I think this was a good discussion. We all said out piece, agree or disagree. No name calling and cussing out the other guy. Yes we do have problems
in our societies and yes black people in the states have been trailing and it seems to have fukked up a lot of their phyche a bit. Still a good system in the
US and we still have a ways to go on the road to recovery as blacks.
Have a good weekend gentlemen, its Beer O'clock for me...

there is a reason it was civil

 

[thecentaur]

But do you think it is likely (or even feasible) that Jerome, who was born into a single-parent poor household and the a society with very few positive role models, and lives in the ghetto with a horrible public school system, will accomplish this goal?

Isn't it far more feasible that Jeremy, who was born into a two-parent upper middle class household and went to a public school that offered college prep courses, can achieve this?

One is set up for failure and one is set up for success. It's not necessarily a racial issue of opportunity, but rather a socio-economic issue at its core. This socio-economic disparity is undoubtedly (at least in part) due to the historical disparity in this country. If nothing changes, how are things going to change? It would take 1000 years.

Chicken or the egg argument

Except so few these days are willing to recognize the egg

Ever stop to think black public schools are awful...because they are full of blacks? That black kids are born into bad environments with limited opportunities...because they have unintelligent black parents?

Like Willie said, why are the Vietnamese so successful in the face of such adversity? Why are there countless examples just in the history of our own country of the greatest successes coming from humble beginnings?

Let's look at a reverse example. Why aren't whites dominant in the NBA? Were they born into bad basketball environments or have poor coaches? Fuk no. Across our country there are a million white family driveways with basketball goals along with doting dad's who encourage their kids and buy them the best shoes, equipment, instructional videos, etc. So maybe, just maybe, whites tend to suck at basketball, and blacks tend to suck at school. Not because of environment, not because of socio economic factors, but because there are differences between the races. Most people can easily say blacks are better at basketball, so why is it so hard to say they are worse at other things?

How about Kyrie Irving? Even if he is halfway joking about the world being flat, how can you back something so stupid as if there is an argument? Arguing there is a Santa Claus is about 10x more defensible. We know where everything is these days Kyrie, there are no dragons at the edge of maps now. Even if all the Earth photos from space are an elaborate hoax, why don't we hear about cruise ships falling off the edge and going missing? How can planes get to the same destination flying in opposite directions? Are you telling me if Kyrie had a more nurturing school environment or was born into more money he could have ended up a doctor or lawyer?

Just observe the differences in countries around the world and compare with demographics of those countries. People can join the ostrich brigade and stick their head in the sand only to come up and squeal "Racist" from time to time, but you either want to be honest and tell the truth about the situation or you want to stick your head in the sand and feel good about yourself. The evidence that nature is a more significant determinant than nurture is overwhelming, including studies of separated at birth identical twins. The smart, successful blacks that you know? Highly likely they came from smart parents, not great schools.

 

[thecentaur]

there is a reason it was civil

There sure is

 

[GasMan]

actually, I do believe it, and it happens far too often to actually pretend otherwise

My mom grew up in war torn Italy, my father left an orphanage and joined the Navy at age 17. Neither had a high school diploma, my mom couldn't even speak English.

I grew up poor, even lived in the projects. But they worked and saved and worked and saved and moved into a lower middle class neighborhood. They never stopped working and saving, and they made sure I went to college. They set the table for me, and I've taken it to the next level. My kids will be better off still.

That story has been repeated 10's of millions of times throughout this country, including our former black president and other Senators and Congressmen and Judges

No single demographic has had a bigger disadvantage to overcome than the Vietnamese. Broken families, no education, war survivors, can't speak the language, racism and hatred. They came here and worked to become the highest income earning demographic in the country.

So yes, I absolutely believe it. I lived it, I watched others live it, and like with everything else in my life, I draw on my first hand experience with people and their lives to form my opinions.

But Willie..you're white! That gave you all the advantage you need to become a successful business owner and CPA. You were given everything, dontchaknow.

 

[GasMan]

I think this was a good discussion. We all said out piece, agree or disagree. No name calling and cussing out the other guy. Yes we do have problems
in our societies and yes black people in the states have been trailing and it seems to have fukked up a lot of their phyche a bit. Still a good system in the
US and we still have a ways to go on the road to recovery as blacks.
Have a good weekend gentlemen, its Beer O'clock for me...

Thats because dumb fuck vitterd isnt in here to derail the thread.

 

[HarryCaray]

Chicken or the egg argument

Except so few these days are willing to recognize the egg

Ever stop to think black public schools are awful...because they are full of blacks? That black kids are born into bad environments with limited opportunities...because they have unintelligent black parents?

Like Willie said, why are the Vietnamese so successful in the face of such adversity? Why are there countless examples just in the history of our own country of the greatest successes coming from humble beginnings?

Let's look at a reverse example. Why aren't whites dominant in the NBA? Were they born into bad basketball environments or have poor coaches? Fuk no. Across our country there are a million white family driveways with basketball goals along with doting dad's who encourage their kids and buy them the best shoes, equipment, instructional videos, etc. So maybe, just maybe, whites tend to suck at basketball, and blacks tend to suck at school. Not because of environment, not because of socio economic factors, but because there are differences between the races. Most people can easily say blacks are better at basketball, so why is it so hard to say they are worse at other things?

How about Kyrie Irving? Even if he is halfway joking about the world being flat, how can you back something so stupid as if there is an argument? Arguing there is a Santa Claus is about 10x more defensible. We know where everything is these days Kyrie, there are no dragons at the edge of maps now. Even if all the Earth photos from space are an elaborate hoax, why don't we hear about cruise ships falling off the edge and going missing? How can planes get to the same destination flying in opposite directions? Are you telling me if Kyrie had a more nurturing school environment or was born into more money he could have ended up a doctor or lawyer?

Just observe the differences in countries around the world and compare with demographics of those countries. People can join the ostrich brigade and stick their head in the sand only to come up and squeal "Racist" from time to time, but you either want to be honest and tell the truth about the situation or you want to stick your head in the sand and feel good about yourself. The evidence that nature is a more significant determinant than nurture is overwhelming, including studies of separated at birth identical twins. The smart, successful blacks that you know? Highly likely they came from smart parents, not great schools.

So, just to be clear, you're suggesting blacks (as a whole) are intellectually inferior to whites by NATURE. Like, from birth. Some kind of frontal cortex deficiency like Vlad used to argue?

 

[thecentaur]

So, just to be clear, you're suggesting blacks (as a whole) are intellectually inferior to whites by NATURE. Like, from birth. Some kind of frontal cortex deficiency like Vlad used to argue?

Before I answer, would you mind taking your head out of the sand for a moment and tell me whether you think whites are inferior to blacks athletically, specifically in basketball?

 

[Ricboff]

Chicken or the egg argument

Except so few these days are willing to recognize the egg

Ever stop to think black public schools are awful...because they are full of blacks? That black kids are born into bad environments with limited opportunities...because they have unintelligent black parents?

Like Willie said, why are the Vietnamese so successful in the face of such adversity? Why are there countless examples just in the history of our own country of the greatest successes coming from humble beginnings?

Let's look at a reverse example. Why aren't whites dominant in the NBA? Were they born into bad basketball environments or have poor coaches? Fuk no. Across our country there are a million white family driveways with basketball goals along with doting dad's who encourage their kids and buy them the best shoes, equipment, instructional videos, etc. So maybe, just maybe, whites tend to suck at basketball, and blacks tend to suck at school. Not because of environment, not because of socio economic factors, but because there are differences between the races. Most people can easily say blacks are better at basketball, so why is it so hard to say they are worse at other things?

How about Kyrie Irving? Even if he is halfway joking about the world being flat, how can you back something so stupid as if there is an argument? Arguing there is a Santa Claus is about 10x more defensible. We know where everything is these days Kyrie, there are no dragons at the edge of maps now. Even if all the Earth photos from space are an elaborate hoax, why don't we hear about cruise ships falling off the edge and going missing? How can planes get to the same destination flying in opposite directions? Are you telling me if Kyrie had a more nurturing school environment or was born into more money he could have ended up a doctor or lawyer?

Just observe the differences in countries around the world and compare with demographics of those countries. People can join the ostrich brigade and stick their head in the sand only to come up and squeal "Racist" from time to time, but you either want to be honest and tell the truth about the situation or you want to stick your head in the sand and feel good about yourself. The evidence that nature is a more significant determinant than nurture is overwhelming, including studies of separated at birth identical twins. The smart, successful blacks that you know? Highly likely they came from smart parents, not great schools.

http://www.medicaldaily.com/nature-...dy-proves-it-takes-two-determine-human-334686

[h=1]Nature vs. Nurture Debate: 50-Year Twin Study Proves It Takes Two To Determine Human Traits[/h]


A culmination of more than half a century of research collected on 14.5 million pairs of twins has finally concluded that the nature versus nurture debate is a draw. According to the plethora of data, both have nearly identical influences on a person’s behavior, which suggests we need to stop looking at ourselves as a result of nature versus nurture, and instead realize we are a combination of both.
The recent study, published in the journal Nature Genetics, is the result of the collaboration between Dr. Beben Benyamin from the Queensland Brain Institute and researchers at the VU University of Amsterdam. They reviewed nearly every twin study ever done in the past 50 years. The impressive global twin review revealed that, on average, the variation for human traits and diseases is split almost equally.

 

[Ricboff]

i think its multi-factorial, not only socio-economic but also dare I say, cultural.

• Source: Census Bureau. “Living Arrangements of Children Under 18 Years Old: 1960 to Present.” U.S. Census Bureau, July 1, 2012. http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/hh-fam/ch5.xls

• Source: US Census Bureau, “Living Arrangements of Children Under 18”: Tables –CH-2, CH-3, CH-4. 1960 – Present. U.S. Census Bureau July 1, 2012.

how damaging is Fatherlessness to society?

anecdotally, i coach hockey: whenever I come across a kid with significant issues.......his home is seemingly always the problem.

 

[ML Dog]

there is a reason it was civil

Yeah, No Shit.

And We All Know what that Reason Was.

This was a great example of the very Dialog that must be had, before any Evolution away from Conflict and a Journey to Peace are even a Remote Possibility.

I need BLM, Snowflakes, Bored Housewives and Liberal College Students & their Professors to get to a place where Solution and that Evolution is more Valuable to them than Attention Whoring Pollution.

I need MSNBC, CNN and other Biased Agenda-Driven Propaganda Outlets to Grow The Fuck Up and become part of a Solution rather than throwing Fuel on a Fire to get Ratings so they can make Money.

Or just Keep On doing what they're doing: Self-Terminating by behaving like Spoiled Bratty Kids in the grips of a Year-and-a-half long Temper Tantrum so that people will finally say: "Enough" and Don Lemon y Ralphie Madcow can Fade Away and just Get The Hell Out The Way.

Of People wanting Peace.
​

The Media and The Left change their focus from ThemselfishSelves to US maybe We as a Nation can begin that Necessary Dialog, like We touched upon here, within this thread.

#waiting.

We are all waiting.
​

 

[Ladeda]

So, just to be clear, you're suggesting blacks (as a whole) are intellectually inferior to whites by NATURE. Like, from birth. Some kind of frontal cortex deficiency like Vlad used to argue?

If that is what he is suggesting I don't see what is so wrong with it. With society being so politcally correct we have been brainwashed into believing that is a horrible thing to suggest.. how dare he!!

But there does seem to be some physical variations among races, even in skull structure, so why is it so crazy to think the brains can be different. Just like blacks are better athletes, which is just from evolution, the weather where they live, what they needed to do to survive, etc for thousands of years. It made their fast twitch muscles be trained a certain way from generation to generation. Why can't the same thing be true of the brain?
The same living conditions that made having brown skin and faster muscles more suitable for survival might also have been conditions that didn't require a lot of brain power. So they have less developed brains.

You have to admit when you look at countries around the world that are "black" mainly in Africa they are far , far behind the rest of the world innovation wise. Then here in America "blacks" have much lower test scores and much higher poverty levels. There are plenty of ethniities and races that came to this country poor and with nothing, but they managed to fight through it and overcome. The blacks have had trouble, much like the African countries can't seem to rise up and advance.


I'm not a racist , I'm just making observations from my eyes. I would have zero problem if it was discovered that the Chinese and Japanese were proven to be smarter then white americans because science determined their brains were more advanced. I would not take any offense to the finding and I would not scream it's racist.

 

[Ricboff]

Yeah, No Shit.

And We All Know what that Reason Was.

This was a great example of the very Dialog that must be had, before any Evolution away from Conflict and a Journey to Peace are even a Remote Possibility.

I need BLM, Snowflakes, Bored Housewives and Liberal College Students & their Professors to get to a place where Solution and that Evolution is more Valuable to them than Attention Whoring Pollution.

I need MSNBC, CNN and other Biased Agenda-Driven Propaganda Outlets to Grow The Fuck Up and become part of a Solution rather than throwing Fuel on a Fire to get Ratings so they can make Money.

Or just Keep On doing what they're doing: Self-Terminating by behaving like Spoiled Bratty Kids in the grips of a Year-and-a-half long Temper Tantrum so that people will finally say: "Enough" and they can Fade Away and just Get The Hell Out The Way.

Of People wanting Peace.
​

The Media and The Left change their focus from ThemselfishSelves to US maybe We as a Nation can begin that Necessary Dialog, like We touched upon here, within this thread.

#waiting.

We are all waiting.
​

she wears a fitbit?


interesting-- an intelligent, beautiful young lady not concerned with wearing a girly, pretty watch.....but rather how many steps she's taken, calories burnt.....



why black? why not pink?

 

[HarryCaray]

Before I answer, would you mind taking your head out of the sand for a moment and tell me whether you think whites are inferior to blacks athletically, specifically in basketball?

I don't believe I have my head in the sand. I certainly acknowledge there are differences between the races. I just don't know that I buy intelligence as one of those differences.

Yes I believe blacks, in general, have more pure athleticism by nature.

I'm not setting you up for some kind of counter-attack if you say yes. Also didn't say I would necessarily disagree. Just interested to hear all viewpoints.

 

[HarryCaray]

If that is what he is suggesting I don't see what is so wrong with it. With society being so politcally correct we have been brainwashed into believing that is a horrible thing to suggest.. how dare he!!

But there does seem to be some physical variations among races, even in skull structure, so why is it so crazy to think the brains can be different. Just like blacks are better athletes, which is just from evolution, the weather where they live, what they needed to do to survive, etc for thousands of years. It made their fast twitch muscles be trained a certain way from generation to generation. Why can't the same thing be true of the brain?
The same living conditions that made having brown skin and faster muscles more suitable for survival might also have been conditions that didn't require a lot of brain power. So they have less developed brains.

You have to admit when you look at countries around the world that are "black" mainly in Africa they are far , far behind the rest of the world innovation wise. Then here in America "blacks" have much lower test scores and much higher poverty levels. There are plenty of ethniities and races that came to this country poor and with nothing, but they managed to fight through it and overcome. The blacks have had trouble, much like the African countries can't seem to rise up and advance.


I'm not a racist , I'm just making observations from my eyes. I would have zero problem if it was discovered that the Chinese and Japanese were proven to be smarter then white americans because science determined their brains were more advanced. I would not take any offense to the finding and I would not scream it's racist.

Agree with everything you said.