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This is simply not true at all. You completely leave out education and experiences throughout ones youth which form what kind of opportunity or skills they have when they become adults. It's very hard for inner city or poor youths to become doctors, lawyers, mathematicians, engineers, work in finance etc, etc. Basically anything that involves education. On top of that, affording higher education becomes even harder. As opposed to the Mitt Romney's in this world or even myself and the kids I went to school with, who have absolutely no worries about going to whatever college they want and their parents will pay for it.

There is nothing equal or fair about the start that kids have because of their parents position.

Now, I'm not saying this is a problem. There is no reason to punish successful parents from providing their kids with the best education they can and paying for that education and maybe even giving them seed money to start their lives. No problem with that.

But there is a problem when you believe that kids all have equal opportunity. And only the extreme socialist would like to make everything equal. The rest of us sane folk, just want to make the opportunity or chances of kids who didn't have equal opportunity more possible. Having educational programs that give them a chance, access to healthcare, food, etc.

It's still hilarious how you guys are comparing yourself to the bottom of the bottom and getting jealous that they might get stuff that you and I don't even worry about.

You guys have a very skewed philosophy.

There is nothing 'philosophical' about the free market and human freedom in general. The free market is human nature in action - how humans exchange value with one another. That's it.

Hold onto to that word...VALUE.

Whereas your bullshit cult philosophy is built on a list of endless excuses and half baked theories on why humans who have nothing of VALUE to offer society for some reason can't make it ("too little education"; "too little money"; "too short", "too tall"; "too lazy"; "too stupid"...whatever). Anything but individual personal responsibility and accountability. It's always "society's" fault.

It would be funny if this left wing mindset weren't so pathetic, toxic and destructive.

Reality check: your VALUE is measured by what other people are voluntarily willing to give you...and everyone should be paid accordingly.

THAT is the only 'fair' and just system - at least one that leads to prosperity and human progress.
 

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There is nothing 'philosophical' about the free market and human freedom in general. The free market is human nature in action - how humans exchange value with one another. That's it.

Hold onto to that word...VALUE.

Whereas your bullshit cult philosophy is built on a list of endless excuses and half baked theories on why humans who have nothing of VALUE to offer society for some reason can't make it ("too little education"; "too little money"; "too short", "too tall"; "too lazy"; "too stupid"...whatever). Anything but individual personal responsibility and accountability. It's always "society's" fault.

It would be funny if this left wing mindset weren't so pathetic, toxic and destructive.

Reality check: your VALUE is measured by what other people are voluntarily willing to give you...and everyone should be paid accordingly.

THAT is the only 'fair' and just system - at least one that leads to prosperity and human progress.

None of this drivel has anything to do with equal opportunity. One of the dumbest statements I've read.
 

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None of this drivel has anything to do with equal opportunity. One of the dumbest statements I've read.

Now that you're out of the closet you need a new avatar.

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I always think it's hilarious when they talk about the US being socialists when we have a disparity of wealth that rivals third world countries. It's amazing how their wealthy masters have conned them in to the belief that the wealthy are being targeted and held back. Can't make up a stupider belief.


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I didn't swing and miss at anything and your marathon analogy is a poor one for what we are talking about. My son is a musician and has worked hard to try be successful at it. Unfortunately, he has failed so far but continues to pursue his goal. Yes, he has opportunities and has done his best to utilize what opportunities he has had to get ahead in the music industry. Now, let's look at someone like Miley Cirrus who has a father who is already a big country music star and has the finances and connections to help Miley start and promote her music career. Now if you think my son has the same equal opportunities as Miley Cirrus then you are just crazy. If I was a big music star and had the same connections and finances as Billy Cirrus, I guarantee my son would just as big a star as Miley Cirrus is today. Again, it doesn't mean my son still doesn't have opportunities and can't make it, but he certainly did not have the same opportunities as Miley Cirrus had and will have to work much harder than she did to reach his goals. So, again, not everyone has the same equal opportunities.


Once again, the definition of opportunity seems to be getting lost on you. So let's try this backwards.

Pick any citizen in the US, be it a minority, a drunk homeless bum, a whatever...and tell me what legally prevents them from pursuing their form of happiness. Go on...find me someone (anyone) who is prohibited from taking the necessary steps to do what they want.

:::crickets:::

That's what I mean when I say opportunity. And once again, opportunity to pursue a dream (ie pursuit of happiness) is NOT the same thing as expected outcome. I really don't know why so many of you are struggling to look at those two separately.

Everyone has the chance to pursue whatever it is they want. Except there s one small consideration that most of us learn sometime around childhood: decisions have consequences. If I want to be an artist who sells his own paintings for a living, then it isn't society's fault if I spend the majority of my life going hungry because no one likes my work. If that's what you want to do, then so be it...just be prepared to accept the consequences of your choices. The Declaration of Independence didn't say "Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness...and a guaranteed positive result for everyone at the end."

As far as your Billy Cirrus example, go far back enough into his family tree...and you'll find some musician who didn't have the right connections to just walk into a new job. He had to earn them on his own, and there will be other musicians in the future who do the same thing. I really hope your son ultimately kicks ass and leads a headlining tour one day (only I won't be there to see it since I despise country music). Here's another newsflash though: success isn't much easier for other professions. Take the restaurant business for example...something like 90% of new restaurants fail in the first year, and a lot of those people end up paying of the bills for the failed business for years to come. That's a consequence of the choice they made. It isn't as easy as saying "I think I'll go start my own new business today" and the business owners immediately rake in tons of money. Every job sector is competitive out there...except for one, and that's government. Why? Because they have zero incentive to perform at a high or even mediocre level. Any private business would also lapse into mediocrity if their customers told them "You know, I think I'll just keep paying you indefinitely, regardless of how good or bad your products are..."
 

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This is simply not true at all. You completely leave out education and experiences throughout ones youth which form what kind of opportunity or skills they have when they become adults. It's very hard for inner city or poor youths to become doctors, lawyers, mathematicians, engineers, work in finance etc, etc. Basically anything that involves education. On top of that, affording higher education becomes even harder. As opposed to the Mitt Romney's in this world or even myself and the kids I went to school with, who have absolutely no worries about going to whatever college they want and their parents will pay for it.

There is nothing equal or fair about the start that kids have because of their parents position.

Now, I'm not saying this is a problem. There is no reason to punish successful parents from providing their kids with the best education they can and paying for that education and maybe even giving them seed money to start their lives. No problem with that.

But there is a problem when you believe that kids all have equal opportunity. And only the extreme socialist would like to make everything equal. The rest of us sane folk, just want to make the opportunity or chances of kids who didn't have equal opportunity more possible. Having educational programs that give them a chance, access to healthcare, food, etc.

It's still hilarious how you guys are comparing yourself to the bottom of the bottom and getting jealous that they might get stuff that you and I don't even worry about.

You guys have a very skewed philosophy.


1. What's to prevent someone from achieving the education or training necessary to achieve their goals? Do the other people who have succeeded just acquire it magically? Try letting go of your victim mentality and start realizing that motivation has to come from within each individual. If you can't find it, you're going to suffer the consequences.

2. By the logic stated in your second bold, the NBA should institute a new rule. "Since about 90% of the league is black, it's clearly more difficult for white players to make it in the league. Therefore, each team is hereby required to have at least four white players on the roster and at least one white player on the floor at all times. In addition, each basket made by white players will count for four points instead of two...because it's harder for them to have made it to the league."
 

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Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.This is known as “bad luck.”


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I didn't swing and miss at anything and your marathon analogy is a poor one for what we are talking about. My son is a musician and has worked hard to try be successful at it. Unfortunately, he has failed so far but continues to pursue his goal. Yes, he has opportunities and has done his best to utilize what opportunities he has had to get ahead in the music industry. Now, let's look at someone like Miley Cirrus who has a father who is already a big country music star and has the finances and connections to help Miley start and promote her music career. Now if you think my son has the same equal opportunities as Miley Cirrus then you are just crazy. If I was a big music star and had the same connections and finances as Billy Cirrus, I guarantee my son would just as big a star as Miley Cirrus is today. Again, it doesn't mean my son still doesn't have opportunities and can't make it, but he certainly did not have the same opportunities as Miley Cirrus had and will have to work much harder than she did to reach his goals. So, again, not everyone has the same equal opportunities.

I agree with a lot of what you said in the above post, but the part in bold is absolute conjecture. How can you guarantee your son would be successful if you were Billy Ray Cyrus? It's as if you are equating opportunity with success. If you were a star, it would get your son in the door, whether or not he stayed would be determined by his talent.
 

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'Opportunity' is relative.

People who've lived in shackles under communism feel like they've won the lottery when they escape to a free society. They leave nothing to chance and work like slaves making the most of their opportunities. They laugh at all the left wing caterwauling and frown upon the lazy, lethargic, unmotivated, stupid "inner city" government-dependent Democrat voters and their commie poverty pimp "social justice" advocates in academia and government bureaucracies.

The left is killing America!
 

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So... why cant one of these "inner city or poor youths" go to high school, graduate, go into the military and take advantage of the GI Bill, then use that to learn a trade or get a college education?

Is 4 years of high school and studying too much to ask? Then asking them to (god forbid) spend 4 years in the military so bad?
 

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Talent is cheaper than table salt. What separates the talented individual from the successful one is a lot of hard work. ~ Stephen King
 

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So... why cant one of these "inner city or poor youths" go to high school, graduate, go into the military and take advantage of the GI Bill, then use that to learn a trade or get a college education?

Is 4 years of high school and studying too much to ask? Then asking them to (god forbid) spend 4 years in the military so bad?


Why can't they? Because then the dimocrap illusion that people can't succeed without government running every aspect of their lives would be shattered.

I've posted this before, but if an economy is roaring and everyone is employed, then there is no need for government programs or social assistance. The question then becomes which political party benefits the most from keeping a certain percentage of the population downtrodden. It isn't rocket science to follow that logic trail...
 

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1. What's to prevent someone from achieving the education or training necessary to achieve their goals? Do the other people who have succeeded just acquire it magically? Try letting go of your victim mentality and start realizing that motivation has to come from within each individual. If you can't find it, you're going to suffer the consequences.
Children raised in horrible environments with terrible education are victims. That's the entire reason why I support policies to give them opportunities that many of us were lucky to have simply because we had different parents.

2. By the logic stated in your second bold, the NBA should institute a new rule. "Since about 90% of the league is black, it's clearly more difficult for white players to make it in the league. Therefore, each team is hereby required to have at least four white players on the roster and at least one white player on the floor at all times. In addition, each basket made by white players will count for four points instead of two...because it's harder for them to have made it to the league."
The NBA is a business that pays athletes to perform. Academic institutions, people pay to get an education.

A really stupid analogy. But you have said some incredibly stupid stuff in your time. Honestly I thought you had the potential to be smart, but then after I read some of your crazy conspiracy crap threads I realized that you are mentally insane. You have serious problems man.
 

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Children raised in horrible environments with terrible education are victims. That's the entire reason why I support policies to give them opportunities that many of us were lucky to have simply because we had different parents.


The NBA is a business that pays athletes to perform. Academic institutions, people pay to get an education.

A really stupid analogy. But you have said some incredibly stupid stuff in your time. Honestly I thought you had the potential to be smart, but then after I read some of your crazy conspiracy crap threads I realized that you are mentally insane. You have serious problems man.

Potential is not a word that should come out of your Alinskyized mouth. "Crazy conspiracy crap threads" LOL. That would be any thread that runs counter to your narrow point of view. Serious problems, that would be you man. You are a joke but being a diehard troll you do what you do without any realization that everyone on here knows what a fool you are. I am sure your parents are proud as hell about how much time you spend trolling the internet. LOL
 

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