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Potential is not a word that should come out of your Alinskyized mouth. "Crazy conspiracy crap threads" LOL. That would be any thread that runs counter to your narrow point of view. Serious problems, that would be you man. You are a joke but being a diehard troll you do what you do without any realization that everyone on here knows what a fool you are. I am sure your parents are proud as hell about how much time you spend trolling the internet. LOL

You're really not helping JDouches cause, lol.
 

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So... why cant one of these "inner city or poor youths" go to high school, graduate, go into the military and take advantage of the GI Bill, then use that to learn a trade or get a college education?

Is 4 years of high school and studying too much to ask? Then asking them to (god forbid) spend 4 years in the military so bad?

Because they weren't raised by parents who think like you. They are deprived of the necessary education to make it in a developed world. Not being able to comprehend another perspective is very child-like.
 

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This is simply not true at all. You completely leave out education and experiences throughout ones youth which form what kind of opportunity or skills they have when they become adults. It's very hard for inner city or poor youths to become doctors, lawyers, mathematicians, engineers, work in finance etc, etc. Basically anything that involves education. On top of that, affording higher education becomes even harder. As opposed to the Mitt Romney's in this world or even myself and the kids I went to school with, who have absolutely no worries about going to whatever college they want and their parents will pay for it.

There is nothing equal or fair about the start that kids have because of their parents position.

Now, I'm not saying this is a problem. There is no reason to punish successful parents from providing their kids with the best education they can and paying for that education and maybe even giving them seed money to start their lives. No problem with that.

But there is a problem when you believe that kids all have equal opportunity. And only the extreme socialist would like to make everything equal. The rest of us sane folk, just want to make the opportunity or chances of kids who didn't have equal opportunity more possible. Having educational programs that give them a chance, access to healthcare, food, etc.

It's still hilarious how you guys are comparing yourself to the bottom of the bottom and getting jealous that they might get stuff that you and I don't even worry about.

You guys have a very skewed philosophy.

Does the name Ben Carson ring a bell?

Our family physician is a Korean women who’s father escaped from North Korea via Vietnam to the U.S. 40 ytars ago with little more than the shirt on his back. By your assertion she almost certainly should have failed in life, yet…

The sooner people start practicing self reliance instead of blaming their problems on anything and everything the better everyone will be.
 

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Because they weren't raised by parents who think like you. They are deprived of the necessary education to make it in a developed world. Not being able to comprehend another perspective is very child-like.

And who's fault is that?

Big old meanie conservatives who hate poor people?

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More socialism! More failed Big Government programs!

"I base my reasoning on statistics!"

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Does the name Ben Carson ring a bell?

Our family physician is a Korean women who’s father escaped from North Korea via Vietnam to the U.S. 40 ytars ago with little more than the shirt on his back. By your assertion she almost certainly should have failed in life, yet…

The sooner people start practicing self reliance instead of blaming their problems on anything and everything the better everyone will be.

I base my reasoning on statistics. Not anecdotal evidence or logical fallacies. Everyone knows a rich person who was poor or a poor person who is educated. But statistically speaking that is very rare.
 

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So because someone else made bad choices in not only raising kids but probably having them in the first place, the rest of society is on the hook to pay for those mistakes? Basically, you're suggesting just because I exist, I'm automatically in debt to someone who makes bad decisions...even though I had nothing to do with that situation and did nothing to incur that debt.

Fucking retarded collectivist mentality.

Hmmm, inner-city kids just have no hope of going to medical school? I guess I better let my sister-in-law know that. Her mother was born in a shitty part of South Central LA. She raised her two kids after her husband left her, and my sister-in-law eventually paid her own way through med school and is a pediatrician today. Next time I see her, I'll be sure to ask if she can suggest any meds for Alaskan idiot place kick holders who weigh 140 lbs but never develop beyond a three-year-old's level of thinking.

No, I'm saying as a society, people should be intelligent enough to be able to understand statistics and data of how socioeconomics plays a role in the success of someone as an adult. And it would be much better for the country and our productivity to try to make policies to change that data and help those that are put at a disadvantage because of their upbringing. You keep acting like we are trying to make things equal. If someone getting food stamps and subsidies, or tax breaks because they don't make enough money are "equal" to you than you have serious problems.

And your anecdotal evidence does not change the facts. For being someone who represents himself as being "intelligent", you sure make some very stupid comments. Back in the day, chubbos like you would be respected because that represented wealth. Now it just represents laziness. Work on it.
 

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Because they weren't raised by parents who think like you. They are deprived of the necessary education to make it in a developed world. Not being able to comprehend another perspective is very child-like.

So because someone else made bad choices in not only raising kids but probably having them in the first place, the rest of society is on the hook to pay for those mistakes? Basically, you're suggesting just because I exist, I'm automatically in debt to someone who makes bad decisions...even though I had nothing to do with that situation and did nothing to incur that debt.

Fucking retarded collectivist mentality.

Hmmm, inner-city kids just have no hope of going to medical school? I guess I better let my sister-in-law know that. Her mother was born in a shitty part of South Central LA. She raised her two kids after her husband left her, and my sister-in-law eventually paid her own way through med school and is a pediatrician today. Next time I see her, I'll be sure to ask if she can suggest any meds for Alaskan idiot place kick holders who weigh 140 lbs but never develop beyond a three-year-old's level of thinking.
 

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it's somewhat amazing to consider where most of the immigrants started, look at what they and their families have accumulated today, look at our amazing suburbs, that people can conclude our system is broke.

we have a whole segment of our population brainwashed to believe they have no chance, they're at a disadvantage, they're entitled to something for doing nothing and guess what, they become what you want them to be.

now lets compare and contrast to Vietnamese refugees. They arrive here from a war torn country, penniless, can't speak the language, often times experiencing the deaths of many close family and friends. You want excuses, they own every one of them if they so choose. But they didn't have Al Sharpton preaching to them, thankfully they never met up with one of our resident socialists scholars, instead they worked, they took advantage of the opportunities our society gave them, and they evolved into one of the highest income demographics in the country.

That's America, not the hogwash the left sells.

Anyone who wants to "fundamentally change this country" is simply "the least prepared man in the room".
 

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So because someone else made bad choices in not only raising kids but probably having them in the first place, the rest of society is on the hook to pay for those mistakes? Basically, you're suggesting just because I exist, I'm automatically in debt to someone who makes bad decisions...even though I had nothing to do with that situation and did nothing to incur that debt.

Fucking retarded collectivist mentality.

Hmmm, inner-city kids just have no hope of going to medical school? I guess I better let my sister-in-law know that. Her mother was born in a shitty part of South Central LA. She raised her two kids after her husband left her, and my sister-in-law eventually paid her own way through med school and is a pediatrician today. Next time I see her, I'll be sure to ask if she can suggest any meds for Alaskan idiot place kick holders who weigh 140 lbs but never develop beyond a three-year-old's level of thinking.

Typical short-sighted modern leftist mentality.

Reward and subsidize failure which only produces more of the same, while punishing those who work hard and play by the rules.

'Progressivism' is cancer.
 
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Once again, the definition of opportunity seems to be getting lost on you. So let's try this backwards.

Pick any citizen in the US, be it a minority, a drunk homeless bum, a whatever...and tell me what legally prevents them from pursuing their form of happiness. Go on...find me someone (anyone) who is prohibited from taking the necessary steps to do what they want.

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That's what I mean when I say opportunity. And once again, opportunity to pursue a dream (ie pursuit of happiness) is NOT the same thing as expected outcome. I really don't know why so many of you are struggling to look at those two separately.

Everyone has the chance to pursue whatever it is they want. Except there s one small consideration that most of us learn sometime around childhood: decisions have consequences. If I want to be an artist who sells his own paintings for a living, then it isn't society's fault if I spend the majority of my life going hungry because no one likes my work. If that's what you want to do, then so be it...just be prepared to accept the consequences of your choices. The Declaration of Independence didn't say "Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness...and a guaranteed positive result for everyone at the end."

As far as your Billy Cirrus example, go far back enough into his family tree...and you'll find some musician who didn't have the right connections to just walk into a new job. He had to earn them on his own, and there will be other musicians in the future who do the same thing. I really hope your son ultimately kicks ass and leads a headlining tour one day (only I won't be there to see it since I despise country music). Here's another newsflash though: success isn't much easier for other professions. Take the restaurant business for example...something like 90% of new restaurants fail in the first year, and a lot of those people end up paying of the bills for the failed business for years to come. That's a consequence of the choice they made. It isn't as easy as saying "I think I'll go start my own new business today" and the business owners immediately rake in tons of money. Every job sector is competitive out there...except for one, and that's government. Why? Because they have zero incentive to perform at a high or even mediocre level. Any private business would also lapse into mediocrity if their customers told them "You know, I think I'll just keep paying you indefinitely, regardless of how good or bad your products are..."
I understand exactly what opportunity means, but you don't understand what equal means. And don't bother with some long ass response that says nothing again because I won't waste my time reading it.
 
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I agree with a lot of what you said in the above post, but the part in bold is absolute conjecture. How can you guarantee your son would be successful if you were Billy Ray Cyrus? It's as if you are equating opportunity with success. If you were a star, it would get your son in the door, whether or not he stayed would be determined by his talent.
You are right and I probably over exaggerated a bit, but it doesn't take away from my point about equal opportunities. A person still needs to take that opportunity and make something of it.
 

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I understand exactly what opportunity means, but you don't understand what equal means. And don't bother with some long ass response that says nothing again because I won't waste my time reading it.

JDeuce, so 'society' (always the collective) has a moral duty to provide everyone an equal opportunity (whatever the fuck that means!). That's totally what "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" means.

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JDeuce, so 'society' (always the collective) has a moral duty to provide everyone an equal opportunity (whatever the fuck that means!). That's totally what "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" means.

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We don't have the moral duty, we have the ability to make those raised in environments that aren't suited for success to have a chance at success. Not really that complicated to think of. You guys are the survival of the fittest types. Like just regular animals. What separates us from animals is our ability to organize. Why not use that to our advantage?
 

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We don't have the moral duty, we have the ability to make those raised in environments that aren't suited for success to have a chance at success. Not really that complicated to think of. You guys are the survival of the fittest types. Like just regular animals. What separates us from animals is our ability to organize. Why not use that to our advantage?

So organize. Start a private charity, knock on doors, facebook your friends... see how many people voluntarily want to help. Maybe you'll be successful, maybe not.

The fact is, throwing money at people who habitually make bad decisions is a total waste of resources. They need to pick themselves up and use their own innate resources (brain power, discipline, strong work ethic etc.) to raise their value to other members in a civilized society.

You lefties don't understand the meaning of parenting very well, do you?

It's not "society's" responsibility if a single mother totally fucks her life up.

And since I don't want the state intervening/controlling MY life, I must resist the urge to play God and control someone else's..."for their own good"

It takes a family, not a village.
 

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So organize. Start a private charity, knock on doors, facebook your friends... see how many people voluntarily want to help. Maybe you'll be successful, maybe not.

The fact is, throwing money at people who habitually make bad decisions is a total waste of resources. They need to pick themselves up and use their own innate resources (brain power, discipline, strong work ethic etc.) to raise their value to other members in a civilized society.

You lefties don't understand the meaning of parenting very well, do you?

It's not "society's" responsibility if a single mother totally fucks her life up.

And since I don't want the state intervening/controlling MY life, I must resist the urge to play God and control someone else's..."for their own good"

It takes a family, not a village.

We understand parenting very well, which makes us understand that children raised by horrible parents are at a disadvantage. Really not that complicated to understand.
 

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"So organize. Start a private charity, knock on doors, facebook your friends... see how many people voluntarily want to help. Maybe you'll be successful, maybe not."

It actually works in some places. It works in certain sections of Houston. Even Leap Academy in Camden, an utter Shithole. But that inner city bright spot has a 100% graduation and into college rate. What does it take that gives people a leg up in areas where many people come from a poor upbringing? People that care. But it also requires a certain amount of initiative from those who get the help. So yeah, volunteer. Start a movement. But don't say it should be mandatory that everybody on Baltic Avenue deserves hotels on Boardwalk. Ah, maybe AC, another Shithole is not a good analogy. But I'll stand by the Stephen King quote. The driven should not have to provide for the shiftless.
 
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JDeuce, so 'society' (always the collective) has a moral duty to provide everyone an equal opportunity (whatever the fuck that means!). That's totally what "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" means.

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I never said any such thing. That's the problem with you guys. You lump everyone into the same category just because they don't agree with your thinking 100%. I never said everyone should have an equal opportunity, just that not everyone has the same equal opportunities. If you go back and look at my very first post in thread, I reply to Guesser telling him I agree with everything JDuece said about everyone having an opportunity to do whatever they want in life. I am just saying not everyone has the same equal opportunities. I'm not complaining about it or making excuses for my son or anyone else either, I'm just stating a fact. It's just the way life is and no way you can change it. There will always be some less fortunate than others and they will have less opportunities and will have to work harder to achieve success. Of course they can still reach success if they work hard enough, I'm not questioning that. If you don't agree, so be it.
 

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No, I'm saying as a society, people should be intelligent enough to be able to understand statistics and data of how socioeconomics plays a role in the success of someone as an adult. And it would be much better for the country and our productivity to try to make policies to change that data and help those that are put at a disadvantage because of their upbringing. You keep acting like we are trying to make things equal. If someone getting food stamps and subsidies, or tax breaks because they don't make enough money are "equal" to you than you have serious problems.

And your anecdotal evidence does not change the facts. For being someone who represents himself as being "intelligent", you sure make some very stupid comments. Back in the day, chubbos like you would be respected because that represented wealth. Now it just represents laziness. Work on it.


You keep bringing up these vague and narcissistic ideals without getting into specifics. What exactly does "make policies to change data and help those put at a disadvantage" mean? First off, where is your concrete proof that such policy recipients would actually have the incentive to crawl out of their current crappy situation? Do you think an inner-city drug dealer would say "You know, I was planning on just dealing...but spending eight years in medical school suddenly sounds much more appealing"...? Who decides which Americans qualifies for those programs, and how does each recipient prove they qualify? How would success be measured under these policies, and how could it possibly be proven that some of these policy recipients would not have succeeded without the help of this magical government program? Just like comrade's Utopian vision, suggesting some government policy will change the culture of the inner city and put more of the "disadvantaged" into caps and gowns instead of prison garb is a pure fantasy that falls apart once you start dissecting what would be required to make it work.

My anecdotal evidence is there because it completely destroys your stupid arguments. In fact, YOUR true racist colors are showing...because you're implying that inner city kids are just too dumb and weak to make it on their own without any help from big brother. Nice slave over mentality.
 

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I never said any such thing. That's the problem with you guys. You lump everyone into the same category just because they don't agree with your thinking 100%. I never said everyone should have an equal opportunity, just that not everyone has the same equal opportunities. If you go back and look at my very first post in thread, I reply to Guesser telling him I agree with everything JDuece said about everyone having an opportunity to do whatever they want in life. I am just saying not everyone has the same equal opportunities. I'm not complaining about it or making excuses for my son or anyone else either, I'm just stating a fact. It's just the way life is and no way you can change it. There will always be some less fortunate than others and they will have less opportunities and will have to work harder to achieve success. Of course they can still reach success if they work hard enough, I'm not questioning that. If you don't agree, so be it.

Wait...you mean to tell me not everyone can be Michael Jordan or Tom Brady? I am...SHOCKED! I totally never knew that!

Maybe fratfraud's academics obsessed with studying 'equality' should cook up a government program to address that level of 'unfairness'?

Thanks for your usual insightful contribution, Mister Independent. w-thumbs!^
 

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y'know, I always wanted to be an NBA player, think we need some affirmative action to open them there opportunities to everyone

they did not build that, we did and I helped

it's only fair

listen to me, I'm always amused by people who think they're good at sports because they practiced more

I'm always amused by doctors who think they became doctors just because they studied more and committed at least 10 years of their lives to advantaged education

look at me, I'm a lazy lying hack and I became POTUS, proof that you don't have to prepare yourself to be successful in life. You can be "the least prepared man in the room"
 

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