why you should never be a socialist

[JDeuce]

Common sense is all the link you need. Extreme wealth, like the Hearst, Getty, Rockefeller, Carnegie, Kennedy type Wealth does tend to stay around for generations.

Well...there you have it, forum. Next time Guesser challenges anything you say, all you need to respond is "it's simply common sense." You're confusing family connections with opportunity. A bum who lives under a bridge has the same opportunity as a Kennedy or Carnegie or Melon to do something with himself.

The majority of families you listed above...we're only in what, generation No. 3? I wish I could find a link I posted in here some years ago, but high wealth only tends to stay within a family for 5-6 generations on average. Not to mention, not all of the businessmen you listed were born into wealth. Go far back enough into history, and someone in the family wasn't very well to do...yet made something of themselves.

 

[NFLTrends]

So... no one has a shot at the American Dream... It should just be given to everyone.

If someone doesn't want to work hard, give them exactly what the person who worked hard their whole life, the same thing.

Makes sense....

 

[BleedingPurple]

People in the United States are responsible for their own lives, and the choices the make.

Everyone has an equal chance, what you do with that chance is up to you.

You work hard and follow your goals, you will have people working for you to achieve those goals and the American Dream.

Those that make bad choices, are irresponsible, end up working for others reaching the American Dream.

I didn't read farther into this thread and hope to read other responses as I go. I think it is a bit naive to believe this. Everyone does not have an "equal chance." I did and am thankful for the chance I had and my upbringing. I have been around many who did not have the chances I had and can understand why they are who they are. To say they had the same chance I did, is naive.

 

[akphidelt]

Everyone has an equal chance in America... who doesn't?

This is a really dumb comment NFLTrends. You're a good dude but these type of comments you make are ridiculous. Socioeconomic factors during childhood have a very strong correlation to success as an adult. There is nothing equal about chances of succeeding in America. It's a fun thought to have though.

 

[BleedingPurple]

I was speaking of those who were from middle and lower classes

Well I wish that were true, have you ever been around the lower class? I live in a rural area, always have, my cousin lived in a nice house but next to the lower class housing, shared a park. Back then we all played ball from after breakfast, took a break for lunch, and came in for supper and played hoops after that. I don't know what it was like for others, but when we went in for lunch the project housing kids sat in the park waiting for us to eat lunch and come back. We (our parents) supplied them with bats, balls, and some gloves. If they played without us and lost a ball, they were done for the day or knocked on the door asking for a spare ball. So we would hang sometime til sometime after dark and be called in. Well the guys who didn't get called in were out at all hours of the night doing whatever. They didn't have the same as us. In theory, well maybe but I can tell you those guys aren't doing a whole lot as far as great jobs. Not saying it's society's fault and yes they could of done better in many cases but the environment played a big roll. Nice thing is, I can roll into the local establishment and still BS with guys who are still there and they never forget the good old days back when the park had kids playing ball. Friends for life no matter the status

 

[The Guesser]

Well...there you have it, forum. Next time Guesser challenges anything you say, all you need to respond is "it's simply common sense." You're confusing family connections with opportunity. A bum who lives under a bridge has the same opportunity as a Kennedy or Carnegie or Melon to do something with himself.

The majority of families you listed above...we're only in what, generation No. 3? I wish I could find a link I posted in here some years ago, but high wealth only tends to stay within a family for 5-6 generations on average. Not to mention, not all of the businessmen you listed were born into wealth. Go far back enough into history, and someone in the family wasn't very well to do...yet made something of themselves.

You need a link, and don't possess common sense. I guess I forgot the line, to always know your audience. Here's something to start you on your way.

http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2012/09/20-pathways-middle-class-sawhill-winship

 

[akphidelt]

Here is a pretty cool study on how much family wealth impacts a child. I find this data to be incredible. At every increase of $20,000, high schoolers taking the SAT average higher scores in both reading and math. Now this does not determine success of the child but even more studies show smarter people make more money. The more education one gets the more they make on average, etc.

The stats overwhelmingly prove there is nothing equal about America. And I don't have a problem with that. Just think those of us who have it easier should sacrifice a little more to make sure those that don't have access to health care and food. Not sure why people like Willie and gas man are talking about equality. No one is talking about making poor people to be millionaires like them banging multiple playboy bunnies a week. Just simple low quality healthcare plans and access to food. They act like welfare recipients are their competition, lol.

http://grantwiggins.wordpress.com/2...itical-questions-been-asked-a-call-to-action/

 

[GasMan]

Hmmm...nothing to do with the family being rock solid. Don't hold the parents accountable for anything, just blame the rich white corporate owner.

 

[BleedingPurple]

This is a really dumb comment NFLTrends. You're a good dude but these type of comments you make are ridiculous. Socioeconomic factors during childhood have a very strong correlation to success as an adult. There is nothing equal about chances of succeeding in America. It's a fun thought to have though.

Exactly, and I do like Trends, but unless you are around it, you don't understand it. Case in point my very close friend is from Houston. He's been shot and stabbed, he's a very smart guy, he was lucky enough to leave, or have the smarts to leave. Those who didn't are in prison, out of prison, dead, or been successful. Very few born in that situation are successful. Now years have passed most of the hood he lived in is knocked down and made into new condos but there are a few left. Tell me what chance did most of these guys have? Really? I was just there over the 4th and went to his grandmas house, she is one of the few left, his family is kind, great people, but half I met served a sentence, they were born into, trained into it really. Vicious cycle

 

[BleedingPurple]

Hmmm...nothing to do with the family being rock solid. Don't hold the parents accountable for anything, just blame the rich white corporate owner.

Parents should be accountable, parenting has broken down so much. We have the one parent family and broken down families. Now it is against the law to discipline your kids correctly. Our family system is broken down. But at the same time we are a county who has rightly given women fair and damn near equal rights, they don't put up with the bullshit other countries allow their women to endure

 

[comrade666]

Here is a pretty cool study on how much family wealth impacts a child. I find this data to be incredible. At every increase of $20,000, high schoolers taking the SAT average higher scores in both reading and math. Now this does not determine success of the child but even more studies show smarter people make more money. The more education one gets the more they make on average, etc.

The stats overwhelmingly prove there is nothing equal about America. And I don't have a problem with that. Just think those of us who have it easier should sacrifice a little more to make sure those that don't have access to health care and food. Not sure why people like Willie and gas man are talking about equality. No one is talking about making poor people to be millionaires like them banging multiple playboy bunnies a week. Just simple low quality healthcare plans and access to food. They act like welfare recipients are their competition, lol.

http://grantwiggins.wordpress.com/2...itical-questions-been-asked-a-call-to-action/

Thats a great post

 

[NFLTrends]

So, because of the neighborhood they were brought up in, they are doomed to failure?

They have a mind don't they? No one is forcing them to do anything they don't want to.

They made the choices that brought them to the point they will end up when they are adults.

NO ONE forces them to drop out of school, NO ONE forces them to stay out all night, NO ONE forces them to sell drugs, NO ONE forces them to commit crimes.

Its a choice they made...

 

[The Guesser]

So, because of the neighborhood they were brought up in, they are doomed to failure?

They have a mind don't they? No one is forcing them to do anything they don't want to.

They made the choices that brought them to the point they will end up when they are adults.

NOs, but ONE forces them to drop out of school, NO ONE forces them to stay out all night, NO ONE forces them to sell drugs, NO ONE forces them to commit crimes.

Its a choice they made...

I think you are confusing choice with opportunity. One can make all the correct choices, yet be limited by lack of opportunity because of socio-economic factors out of their control. Some are lucky enough to overcome those factors, but to deny they exist is not realistic.

 

[Acebb]

Being a socialist means you don't respect economic freedom, private property rights, and free speech.

If you are a socialist, you are frankly an idiot.

 

[GasMan]

Now this is some welfare I can agree with...And Akphi, you are so fucking retarded you don't even know it.

[h=2]What A Concept: Governor Makes Able-Bodied Food Stamp Recipients Work For Benefits[/h]
35,945 Shares By Jennifer Van Laar 22 hours ago

Under a new policy proposed by Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R), most able-bodied food stamp recipients will be required to work 20 hours per week or volunteer for a community agency, the Washington Post reports.
It’s such a logical policy, it’s amazing that more states haven’t gone to this model, especially in light of budget crises and increased strain on community agencies. As the Governor stated:

“People who are in need deserve a hand up, but we should not be giving able-bodied individuals a handout. We must continue to do all that we can to eliminate generational poverty and get people back to work. We must protect our limited resources for those who are truly in need and who are doing all they can to be self-sufficient.”
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The Governor hinted at this change during his State of the State speech.

“There is no excuse for able-bodied adults to spend a lifetime on welfare at the expense of hard-working, struggling Mainers.”
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Recipients who don’t meet the work requirement will have their access to food stamps restricted to three months of benefits over a three-year period, which should be sufficient to meet the needs of those who are temporarily caught in a rough situation.

 

[mplastered]

So, because of the neighborhood they were brought up in, they are doomed to failure?

They have a mind don't they? No one is forcing them to do anything they don't want to.

They made the choices that brought them to the point they will end up when they are adults.

NO ONE forces them to drop out of school, NO ONE forces them to stay out all night, NO ONE forces them to sell drugs, NO ONE forces them to commit crimes.

Its a choice they made...

Good luck.

 

[comrade666]

Being a socialist means you don't respect economic freedom, private property rights, and free speech.

If you are a socialist, you are frankly an idiot.

Socialism supports free speech... I like that you pulled that one out of your ass

 

[hehateme82]

Life is not fair. Life will never be fair. Boo fucking hoo. Nice fucking participation trophy.

 

[mplastered]

Now this is some welfare I can agree with...And Akphi, you are so fucking retarded you don't even know it.

What A Concept: Governor Makes Able-Bodied Food Stamp Recipients Work For Benefits


35,945 Shares By Jennifer Van Laar 22 hours ago

Under a new policy proposed by Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R), most able-bodied food stamp recipients will be required to work 20 hours per week or volunteer for a community agency, the Washington Post reports.
It’s such a logical policy, it’s amazing that more states haven’t gone to this model, especially in light of budget crises and increased strain on community agencies. As the Governor stated:

“People who are in need deserve a hand up, but we should not be giving able-bodied individuals a handout. We must continue to do all that we can to eliminate generational poverty and get people back to work. We must protect our limited resources for those who are truly in need and who are doing all they can to be self-sufficient.”
​

The Governor hinted at this change during his State of the State speech.

“There is no excuse for able-bodied adults to spend a lifetime on welfare at the expense of hard-working, struggling Mainers.”
​

Recipients who don’t meet the work requirement will have their access to food stamps restricted to three months of benefits over a three-year period, which should be sufficient to meet the needs of those who are temporarily caught in a rough situation.

" it's amazing more states haven't gone to this model " ? Are you fucking kidding me. I can't believe Libs have let it happen anywhere.

 

[SheriffJoe]

Being a socialist means you don't respect economic freedom, private property rights, and free speech.

If you are a socialist, you are frankly an idiot.

Not to mention a total loser and thief.