why you should never be a socialist

[SheriffJoe]

Equality, or sameness in things, is necessarily an illusion - an elusive quest.

Subdivisions of measurement, provided the sample group is large enough, will always produce what statisticians call the "normal curve" which looks like this:

Therefore, regardless of how good or bad something may actually be, some people will always be at the bottom or middle or top no matter what we are measuring...with the majority ending up in the middle.

This applies to poverty, wealth, education, intelligence, weight, money-earning ability, mathematical skill, physical strength...pick anything you like.

People obsessed with studying 'equality' (socialists in academia) are total losers.

If they actually spent half their energy looking for ways they could add value to people's lives (what rich people do - always trying to build a better mousetrap) they might actually get somewhere in life...and society would be better for it.

But no, instead, we're stuck with an entire political party that regurgitates the idiocy of Karl Marx:

"I believe if you spread the wealth around it's good for everybody!"

face)(*^%

 

[russ1945]

y'know, I always wanted to be an NBA player, think we need some affirmative action to open them there opportunities to everyone

they did not build that, we did and I helped

it's only fair

listen to me, I'm always amused by people who think they're good at sports because they practiced more

I'm always amused by doctors who think they became doctors just because they studied more and committed at least 10 years of their lives to advantaged education

look at me, I'm a lazy lying hack and I became POTUS, proof that you don't have to prepare yourself to be successful in life. You can be "the least prepared man in the room"

You didn't build that someone else did is the most socialistic bullshit out there. If you are successful you owe everyone else. Meanwhile on the other end of the stick those who come from poor beginnings owe that to who....their parents but they blame society as a whole. What we need is a community organizer to rise from the ranks and change this country. Oh that already happened sorry. It is changing right before our eyes as is the hope he promised. This country has never been in the made of shape in my lifetime, not even close.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

y'know, I always wanted to be an NBA player, think we need some affirmative action to open them there opportunities to everyone

they did not build that, we did and I helped

it's only fair

listen to me, I'm always amused by people who think they're good at sports because they practiced more

I'm always amused by doctors who think they became doctors just because they studied more and committed at least 10 years of their lives to advantaged education

look at me, I'm a lazy lying hack and I became POTUS, proof that you don't have to prepare yourself to be successful in life. You can be "the least prepared man in the room"

No offense meant, but :Carcajada:

 

[Dave007inVegas]

You didn't build that someone else did is the most socialistic bullshit out there. If you are successful you owe everyone else. Meanwhile on the other end of the stick those who come from poor beginnings owe that to who....their parents but they blame society as a whole. What we need is a community organizer to rise from the ranks and change this country. Oh that already happened sorry. It is changing right before our eyes as is the hope he promised. This country has never been in the made of shape in my lifetime, not even close.

In today’s society, it’s good to be a victim.

 

[akphidelt]

You keep bringing up these vague and narcissistic ideals without getting into specifics. What exactly does "make policies to change data and help those put at a disadvantage" mean? First off, where is your concrete proof that such policy recipients would actually have the incentive to crawl out of their current crappy situation? Do you think an inner-city drug dealer would say "You know, I was planning on just dealing...but spending eight years in medical school suddenly sounds much more appealing"...? Who decides which Americans qualifies for those programs, and how does each recipient prove they qualify? How would success be measured under these policies, and how could it possibly be proven that some of these policy recipients would not have succeeded without the help of this magical government program? Just like comrade's Utopian vision, suggesting some government policy will change the culture of the inner city and put more of the "disadvantaged" into caps and gowns instead of prison garb is a pure fantasy that falls apart once you start dissecting what would be required to make it work.

My anecdotal evidence is there because it completely destroys your stupid arguments. In fact, YOUR true racist colors are showing...because you're implying that inner city kids are just too dumb and weak to make it on their own without any help from big brother. Nice slave over mentality.

Your anecdotal evidence is nothing but a logical fallacy. I go by statistics, like most educated people do. And statistics shows that there is nothing equal or fair about children growing up in disadvantaged homes. Children raised in these families are victims. They are being deprived of the necessary education, work ethic, and morals that are needed to be successful in America. And it makes all of a worse off by letting our greatest commodity, aka humans, just rot and grow up having no skills or education.

 

[akphidelt]

You didn't build that someone else did is the most socialistic bullshit out there. If you are successful you owe everyone else. Meanwhile on the other end of the stick those who come from poor beginnings owe that to who....their parents but they blame society as a whole. What we need is a community organizer to rise from the ranks and change this country. Oh that already happened sorry. It is changing right before our eyes as is the hope he promised. This country has never been in the made of shape in my lifetime, not even close.

You are such a fucking clown. He was talking about the roads, education, and other things that the government supplies or builds that go in to having a successful business. The fact you guys use quotes purposely out of context and lie about it, is sickening. You guys have problems.

 

[MantisToboggan]

You are such a fucking clown. He was talking about the roads, education, and other things that the government supplies or builds that go in to having a successful business. The fact you guys use quotes purposely out of context and lie about it, is sickening. You guys have problems.

I have to agree with this. The quote in the context of his entire speech is far less inflammatory than it was made it out to be. The "If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that" portion was certainly a clumsy way to sum up his greater point but it was not meant the way it was reported or used against him.

 

[Willie99]

I have to agree with this. The quote in the context of his entire speech is far less inflammatory than it was made it out to be. The "If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that" portion was certainly a clumsy way to sum up his greater point but it was not meant the way it was reported or used against him.

actually he meant it just as we interpret it, I think his supporters are the ones trying to spin is intent. And the words I choose to mock most often prove my point IMO

"I'm always amused by people who think they're successful just because they work hard". What on god's good earth does that mean?

so when you take his speech in it's entirety, he's mocking people who think they're successful because they work harder that other people. There's no hiding the fact he diminishing the accomplishments of successful people

if he didn't speak those words, then I would concur with your position on intent

 

[Willie99]

No offense meant, but :Carcajada:

fuck youse

 

[akphidelt]

actually he meant it just as we interpret it, I think his supporters are the ones trying to spin is intent. And the words I choose to mock most often prove my point IMO

"I'm always amused by people who think they're successful just because they work hard". What on god's good earth does that mean?

so when you take his speech in it's entirety, he's mocking people who think they're successful because they work harder that other people. There's no hiding the fact he diminishing the accomplishments of successful people

if he didn't speak those words, then I would concur with your position on intent

That's such horseshit. He is saying plenty of people work very hard to create the infrastructure, technology, and education we need that create a system for people to be able to have very profitable businesses. And he's saying those people can't take credit for that because they didn't build that. His comments were pretty straight forward. It's no surprise a dishonest bitch like yourself would lie about what he meant.

 

[MantisToboggan]

actually he meant it just as we interpret it, I think his supporters are the ones trying to spin is intent. And the words I choose to mock most often prove my point IMO

"I'm always amused by people who think they're successful just because they work hard". What on god's good earth does that mean?

so when you take his speech in it's entirety, he's mocking people who think they're successful because they work harder that other people. There's no hiding the fact he diminishing the accomplishments of successful people

if he didn't speak those words, then I would concur with your position on intent

I'd hardly consider myself an Obama supporter. I understand where you are coming from, I just happen to believe it's largely clumsy wording rather than completely discrediting anyone's work in building their business. I believe hard work and intelligence are big factors in determining someone's success (in my opinion the biggest), but I don't believe that they are the only factors. There are smart, hard working individuals that have not experienced success in business.

 

[Willie99]

I'd hardly consider myself an Obama supporter. I understand where you are coming from, I just happen to believe it's largely clumsy wording rather than completely discrediting anyone's work in building their business. I believe hard work and intelligence are big factors in determining someone's success (in my opinion the biggest), but I don't believe that they are the only factors. There are smart, hard working individuals that have not experienced success in business.

I agree with everything you said, and I didn't mean to imply you were an Obama supporter. My statement was just that I think Obama supporters are doing the spinning

the preface "I'm always amused" does not lead to a respectful opinion about the person or people of your topic

 

[MantisToboggan]

I agree with everything you said, and I didn't mean to imply you were an Obama supporter. My statement was just that I think Obama supporters are doing the spinning

the preface "I'm always amused" does not lead to a respectful opinion about the person or people of your topic

Makes sense. Appreciate the classy and respectful discourse. Always a welcome change around here.

 

[Michelangelo]

Obama actually stole that "you didn't build that" line, concept, from Elizabeth Warren who said it several months earlier in one of her early fundraisers for her MA senate seat.

All commies thin alike and try to elevate the contribution of the state while diminishing the contribution of the individual.

 

[SheriffJoe]

Obama actually stole that "you didn't build that" line, concept, from Elizabeth Warren who said it several months earlier in one of her early fundraisers for her MA senate seat.

All commies thin alike and try to elevate the contribution of the state while diminishing the contribution of the individual.

Exactly right.

All commies think alike. Once you understand communism you can spot them a mile away.

"I believe if you spread the wealth around it's good for everybody"

"You didn't build that, someone else made that happen!"

But, but, but...he was quoted out of context! :missingte

 

[Dave007inVegas]

fuck youse

:Carcajada:

And by the way if you’re in SW PA it’s yinz.

 

[MantisToboggan]

Obama actually stole that "you didn't build that" line, concept, from Elizabeth Warren who said it several months earlier in one of her early fundraisers for her MA senate seat.

All commies thin alike and try to elevate the contribution of the state while diminishing the contribution of the individual.

There's a lot of truth to this, however, on the other end there are also quite a few extreme anti-government posters here that would have you believe all government/government spending is evil and does not contribute to business and society in any way.

 

[akphidelt]

Obama actually stole that "you didn't build that" line, concept, from Elizabeth Warren who said it several months earlier in one of her early fundraisers for her MA senate seat.

All commies thin alike and try to elevate the contribution of the state while diminishing the contribution of the individual.

Well there are real humans that are a part of the state doing the dirty work. To not give credit to teachers, construction workers, scientists, engineers, etc that are working just as hard as businessmen to maintain this massive infrastructure we have is sickening. That's all Obama is saying. To not even be able to give credit to those people doing work everyday to make it happen, yet take credit for your massive wealth that you built off their backs is what Democrats do not agree with. Has nothing to do with socialism, just basic integrity.

 

[SheriffJoe]

Well there are real humans that are a part of the state doing the dirty work. To not give credit to teachers, construction workers, scientists, engineers, etc that are working just as hard as businessmen to maintain this massive infrastructure we have is sickening. That's all Obama is saying. To not even be able to give credit to those people doing work everyday to make it happen, yet take credit for your massive wealth that you built off their backs is what Democrats do not agree with. Has nothing to do with socialism, just basic integrity.

"capitalist swine" - fratfraud

 

[Dave007inVegas]

"capitalist swine" - fratfraud

This is my all time favorite.

A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt
he proposes to pay off with your money. --G. Gordon Liddy