U.S. Coronavirus Death Toll - over/under 8000

[SgtLanquel]

The media cried wolf too many times that now we have a legitimate issue, a lot of people don't care or conditioned themselves to think it wasn't a serious issue. They just ran to their comfortable corners on the internet and got their positive feedback loop.

Doesn't really change what it is though. It is a issue with no easy answers. If we could just keep the potentially sick people at home and everyone else bring on the roaring 20's, then we would. I figured we were at the point people would realize that around today, but seems like it is gonna take another week or so. Trump went from "We might open back up by Easter" to "We might have to lockdown all of NJ/NY and parts of CT in" in the span of 5 days. I don't see how anyone can juxtapose those 2 statements and not think that is reality setting in.
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It is reasonable to state that as of past couple weeks, trump is at most a bit player....His most notable contribution was signing the multi-tril stimulus bill (grade that elsewhere as you will).

He *wants* to be a major player but 99% of true impact decision making is coming from governors and county/local policymakers.

Thus we can confidently project that trump's continued public riffing for about 40-50 minutes each day will present one vague pledge one day and a completely opposite pledge within 24-48 hrs. Rinse & repeat

Watch your state and local officials for the True public policy movement. And for the forseeable future (60-90 days at a minimum) their moves will be for the vast part in response to true medical and science professionals with a very minority consideration for "the economy"

The U.S. economy ALWAYS rebounds because the American people are stalwart, innovative and driven by strong work ethics

Dead family members and neighbors of course *do not* rally and therefore merit the highest prevalence in decision making.

Let's all be grateful 98% or more of those decisions are NOT emanating from the White House

 

[PatsFan1283]

I dunno about all that Lanquel, but I will say it is kinda like 2 parents debating which 1 tells the kid he can't have ice cream after dinner. Who plays bad cop and brings the reality check?

And it'll probably be some combo of state/fed gov't alternating there. But there is pretty much consensus agreement at the top levels of gov't as to what the solutions are for this, whether we like them or not.

 

[REDEYE]

It is reasonable to state that as of past couple weeks, trump is at most a bit player....His most notable contribution was signing the multi-tril stimulus bill (grade that elsewhere as you will).

He *wants* to be a major player but 99% of true impact decision making is coming from governors and county/local policymakers.

Thus we can confidently project that trump's continued public riffing for about 40-50 minutes each day will present one vague pledge one day and a completely opposite pledge within 24-48 hrs. Rinse & repeat

Watch your state and local officials for the True public policy movement. And for the forseeable future (60-90 days at a minimum) their moves will be for the vast part in response to true medical and science professionals with a very minority consideration for "the economy"

The U.S. economy ALWAYS rebounds because the American people are stalwart, innovative and driven by strong work ethics

Dead family members and neighbors of course *do not* rally and therefore merit the highest prevalence in decision making.

Let's all be grateful 98% or more of those decisions are NOT emanating from the White House

Most notable contribution ....lol... Still sticking with the racist claim with the China travel ban I see. . probably the most important thing done for common sense people was banning China travel..

 

[SgtLanquel]

I dunno about all that Lanquel, but I will say it is kinda like 2 parents debating which 1 tells the kid he can't have ice cream after dinner. Who plays bad cop and brings the reality check?

And it'll probably be some combo of state/fed gov't alternating there. But there is pretty much consensus agreement at the top levels of gov't as to what the solutions are for this, whether we like them or not.

Cannot disagree w your assessment of responses being mostly compatible between states and federal

My only observation is the true White House impact is minimal....Any seemingly 'radical' offerings from DT seem to be quickly tempered by leading Senators both GOP & Dem

..as long as CDC NIH etal stay in happy tune w states we are on a productive path

 

[Ricboff]

need co-operation from citizens. I mean if you're entering a state/province and the provincial/state heads tell yuo as a safety measure to self-quarantine for 14 days ,then just do it. how hard is that?


according to the CDC it is those exhibiitng synptoms that r the most contagious, intuitive. it appears the timeline for immunity and no longer shedding the virus is about 1o days following no more symptoms

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Provincial health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry said during her daily COVID-19 media briefing on Saturday, March 28, that if a person with the novel coronavirus only exhibits mild symptoms and doesn’t have to be hospitalized then they are determined to be recovered once they’ve reached 10 days without showing any symptoms.
“That has been validated around the world from data we have seen, particularly from Germany, which shows that after a period of time when your symptoms resolve you no longer shed live virus,” Henry explained.

 

[IMISREMEMBER]

March 29 (Reuters) - U.S. deaths from coronavirus could reach 200,000 with millions of cases, the government's top infectious diseases expert warned on Sunday as New York, New Orleans and other major cities pleaded for more medical supplies.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, estimated in an interview with CNN that the pandemic could cause between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths in the United States.

GTFOH , sure hope he is wrong.

 

[Albatross]

March 29 (Reuters) - U.S. deaths from coronavirus could reach 200,000 with millions of cases, the government's top infectious diseases expert warned on Sunday as New York, New Orleans and other major cities pleaded for more medical supplies.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, estimated in an interview with CNN that the pandemic could cause between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths in the United States.

GTFOH , sure hope he is wrong.

What's the time table he is referring to? 3 weeks, 3 months, 3 years, 30 years, 300 years?

 

[DogDaze]

Tons of New Yorkers spilling into PA in the last week or so, trying to get the fuck out of dodge.

Tons of Bucks, Berks, York, Lancaster (etc) county people flooding into rural PA the last week or so, trying to get the fuck out of dodge....

 

[PatsFan1283]

I give Fauci the benefit of the doubt and say he is a patriot, guy has given his life to pandemic relief and served multiple presidents.

But him nor Birx seem like the BEST we could do given we have the best experts in the world, not even close. Especially when it comes to public relations.

He should not be estimating deaths at this time (whats he trying to get aciton on the O/U?) but rather stressing the importance of good hygiene, social distancing and discouraging large public gatherings that we've all seen via social media.

 

[lvsportpro]

What's the time table he is referring to? 3 weeks, 3 months, 3 years, 30 years, 300 years?

I am curious about this also

 

[CaptainLee]

Johns Hopkins University just updated its database of COVID-19 infections...and the death toll in the US has climbed north of 7k after US states reported 1,314 new deaths on Friday, the biggest one-day jump in the US since the outbreak began. The CDC also confirmed 31,160 new cases, the biggest one-day jump in cases, bringing the US total to 276,037.

 

[DogDaze]

HAHAHA nice post! love it man!!

I would say under 8,000 also

This is just not that bad or deadly of a virus.

This won't age well.

 

[TheFalls]

Too bad it seems a lot of these deaths are getting incorrectly tagged corona-related.
So you can go ahead and void any results.

 

[Albatross]

Too bad it seems a lot of these deaths are getting incorrectly tagged corona-related.
So you can go ahead and void any results.

That's what I have been thinking. Not saying all results are inaccurate but if someone dies from pneumonia and they are Covid positive what gets named as the death.....especially if they were older

 

[PatsFan1283]

That's what I have been thinking. Not saying all results are inaccurate but if someone dies from pneumonia and they are Covid positive what gets named as the death.....especially if they were older

I said in another thread that when all of this is over, we should be able to measure it by pneumonia, respiratory deaths from the last few years vs this year.

I could see it going either way, some areas overestimating, some underestimating. Unless people just think the government/hospitals are lying about number of people dead, then you can't do anything really. But I don't believe that will occur on any large scale.

 

[Seymour]

The real problem is that its just so contagious - so many people will end up getting it - that is going to translate to a high death count - but if you could test everyone to see who had antibodies after this disease is gone - somewhere from 25-50% would have no clue that had the Corona Virus - if the death rate is around 2.5% and 50% never knew they had it that would make the death rate 1.25% - regardless, it is fucking up this country and the world

 

[Albatross]

I said in another thread that when all of this is over, we should be able to measure it by pneumonia, respiratory deaths from the last few years vs this year.

I could see it going either way, some areas overestimating, some underestimating. Unless people just think the government/hospitals are lying about number of people dead, then you can't do anything really. But I don't believe that will occur on any large scale.

If the pneumonia deaths numbers drop dramatically then you will be able to see the writing on the wall. Curious to see what will happen

 

[NorthernStar]

There will also have been deaths that dont get counted that were the result of the virus because we didnt and still dont have enough testing.

There was someone that I worked with that had polio. He used to describe himself as the canary in the coal mine because he could enter a room and know the amount of oxygen was low in the room. He passed away at the end of January. It would not surprise me if had had contacted the virus.

Many deaths are the result of complications from some event. So if you get the virus and develop pneumonia then your cause of death should be pneumonia? People who get the flu die typically rom complications from the flu like pneumonia.

It is mostly elderly that fall and need hip replacements. If 8% of the people that have hip surgery die of complications. And 33% of those died of malignant neoplasms. I would say there death was the result of hip surgery.

The under bet didnt even make it out of the first quarter of a basketball game before it lost

 

[Albatross]

Pneumonia is the killer from many viruses like something simple as the common cold. When people die the pneumonia should not be the cause of death.....not the common cold in which it started from.....if I understand you correctly.

So you can say that fast food creates heart disease, people who dont care about their health eat fast food, they die from a heart disease, but the cause if the heart disease is fast food, so the killer McDonalds because that's what caused the complication?

Or smoking and lung disease
Or drinking with liver and heart
Or sex and drugs with AIDS

 

[Louie12]

The dumbasses are the ones that say 2+ million US Americans .