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i wont be posting the plays. for one, i don't like to post losers, two i simply don't have the opportunity to post on a regular basis, and three, I have a partner. not fair to post plays that i have not purchased on my own. i will atempt to update regularly so that others can decided for themselves if they want to purchase and so they know what they are getting. paid cappers only market what they want you to see and know, never the full story.
i'd love to be able to endorse IC as I have been a fan/follower for years, but i simply cant and wont until he changes his volume approach back to a play per day or he somehow figures out how to win with multiple plays per day.
been traveling so not sure what the record has been, but seems to be about the same.....below ave in nba and more wins than losses in cbb
i'd love to be able to endorse IC as I have been a fan/follower for years, but i simply cant and wont until he changes his volume approach back to a play per day or he somehow figures out how to win with multiple plays per day.
been traveling so not sure what the record has been, but seems to be about the same.....below ave in nba and more wins than losses in cbb
Arizona,
I have to agree with you... I followed IC when on CL couple of years ago, his record was like 60%, then he got burned when tried to extend his plays to more than 1 a day. But to be honest, I think that sooner or later, he would go down to 50% as well. I would bet my bankroll that he will produce some streak in NBA this year and will burn his profits in NCAAB. This is the same with every sport... in the long term, the law of average will prevail and guess what... that is why almost no tout demanding money for the plays doesnt post his all-time record. Because one would realize in a minute that the future picks are not worth the money. Like being 892-875 is good for what??? LOL!
IC will only shout on his page that he is 20-5 last 25 days but what does that mean REALLY? That he lost the day before these 25 days. And that he lost some more so he cannot post more magnificent record. Just think and it will all fit into place. That is why he is picking out his 2 year record of 60%... because there is nothing better than that... and he cannot post his total record becuase it would be a loss in total taking the juice into account, not mentioning the cost of service. You only get useless "winning 3 straight months" and such crap. Jeez.
One more thing I want to mention - this Outright crap. Just pick a dog. If he covers - he says he wins. If the dog wins, he says he wins OUTRIGHT. Now, what the hell is this good for??? Did he advised you to pick it outright? No. You won not a dime more. It just looks good. Dog +17 winning outright. WOW! Never mentioning picking big fav to loose by 20 points. It is just all about the quick fancy look. If you look inside, it's rotten.
I have to agree with you... I followed IC when on CL couple of years ago, his record was like 60%, then he got burned when tried to extend his plays to more than 1 a day. But to be honest, I think that sooner or later, he would go down to 50% as well. I would bet my bankroll that he will produce some streak in NBA this year and will burn his profits in NCAAB. This is the same with every sport... in the long term, the law of average will prevail and guess what... that is why almost no tout demanding money for the plays doesnt post his all-time record. Because one would realize in a minute that the future picks are not worth the money. Like being 892-875 is good for what??? LOL!
IC will only shout on his page that he is 20-5 last 25 days but what does that mean REALLY? That he lost the day before these 25 days. And that he lost some more so he cannot post more magnificent record. Just think and it will all fit into place. That is why he is picking out his 2 year record of 60%... because there is nothing better than that... and he cannot post his total record becuase it would be a loss in total taking the juice into account, not mentioning the cost of service. You only get useless "winning 3 straight months" and such crap. Jeez.
One more thing I want to mention - this Outright crap. Just pick a dog. If he covers - he says he wins. If the dog wins, he says he wins OUTRIGHT. Now, what the hell is this good for??? Did he advised you to pick it outright? No. You won not a dime more. It just looks good. Dog +17 winning outright. WOW! Never mentioning picking big fav to loose by 20 points. It is just all about the quick fancy look. If you look inside, it's rotten.
IC did not go 0-5 in football btw, he went 1-5. The 1 play was his "6* Sun Belt Goy". But yes, he lost the others.
Berat, I'm an IC purchaser of his college basketball plays and I trade his college ball for his Nba from another guy.
Dude at the end of the day its marketing. Let's face it. I follow IC for 4 sports, and nothing more:
1) Wnba - I think he is the best to be honest. The guy has never lost in the wnba in 3 years since his inception.
2) College Basketball - he is good for about 58% each year, he is 63% right now on the year
3) MLB - I follow him only on totals - showed profit last year
4) NBA - he is off to a SLOW start
5) Bowl Season - he has won 3 straight years in bowls
I do not follow him whatsoever in football or college ball. I do take his NFL GOY because he is like 3-0 in that lifetime but otherwise, his football is typically horrible. Maybe it will change in the future, but IC football is usually not very good at all.
Arizona and I have always agreed that when he reduces his plays, he is money. When he plays too much, its disaster. This is why he does well in college ball, he sticks to his 1 Play of the day and he does well, he did it in baseball and wnba. Guess what, he won in all those sports. He has done it in the nba, but has lost so far, but early in the year. I don't know why he doesn't do less plays in football. Maybe he is trying to market like Arizona says I don't know. He has 3 football plays this week and that is what he used to do so hopefully that will turn around.
I have IC at:
20-12 for CBB (62.5%)
All the other records I have the same as Zona. As per his "Outright" marketing at its best. He's not lying, but yes, its marketing, they are going to be promote their best foot. I've come to terms with that.
Berat, I'm an IC purchaser of his college basketball plays and I trade his college ball for his Nba from another guy.
Dude at the end of the day its marketing. Let's face it. I follow IC for 4 sports, and nothing more:
1) Wnba - I think he is the best to be honest. The guy has never lost in the wnba in 3 years since his inception.
2) College Basketball - he is good for about 58% each year, he is 63% right now on the year
3) MLB - I follow him only on totals - showed profit last year
4) NBA - he is off to a SLOW start
5) Bowl Season - he has won 3 straight years in bowls
I do not follow him whatsoever in football or college ball. I do take his NFL GOY because he is like 3-0 in that lifetime but otherwise, his football is typically horrible. Maybe it will change in the future, but IC football is usually not very good at all.
Arizona and I have always agreed that when he reduces his plays, he is money. When he plays too much, its disaster. This is why he does well in college ball, he sticks to his 1 Play of the day and he does well, he did it in baseball and wnba. Guess what, he won in all those sports. He has done it in the nba, but has lost so far, but early in the year. I don't know why he doesn't do less plays in football. Maybe he is trying to market like Arizona says I don't know. He has 3 football plays this week and that is what he used to do so hopefully that will turn around.
I have IC at:
20-12 for CBB (62.5%)
All the other records I have the same as Zona. As per his "Outright" marketing at its best. He's not lying, but yes, its marketing, they are going to be promote their best foot. I've come to terms with that.
print:
tell me then the total record for the season for wnba and baseball... I am pretty sure its not that impressive, otherwise it would be sticked on his webpage... if you followed him, you know better than me... also take into notice, that he sometimes counts his profits without the juice
these GOYs and BOWLS and GOMs etc.... this is just another way to pick out the stats that favour him... he will shout I am 8-0 in GOM in NCAAF etc. but who cares? Maybe the one that plays only these plays. But in total volume, it really doesn't matter. It is just another nonsense crap like OUTRIGHT winners. Because you know what? He can be like 3-5 in GOM in some other sport but the only thing you will read on his page is that he is 8-0 in GOM NCAAF etc.
I would recommend him to give more crap like this... like - I am 3-0 on Wednesday plays when the moon is full and it is raining. LOL!
tell me then the total record for the season for wnba and baseball... I am pretty sure its not that impressive, otherwise it would be sticked on his webpage... if you followed him, you know better than me... also take into notice, that he sometimes counts his profits without the juice
these GOYs and BOWLS and GOMs etc.... this is just another way to pick out the stats that favour him... he will shout I am 8-0 in GOM in NCAAF etc. but who cares? Maybe the one that plays only these plays. But in total volume, it really doesn't matter. It is just another nonsense crap like OUTRIGHT winners. Because you know what? He can be like 3-5 in GOM in some other sport but the only thing you will read on his page is that he is 8-0 in GOM NCAAF etc. I would recommend him to give more crap like this... like - I am 3-0 on Wednesday plays when the moon is full and it is raining. LOL!
I'd trust the records from print. i likely miss a game here and there, but i use his lines. he has lost games and won games that we may have had the opposite result. mlb was hot for the mont of june, but he was still advertising his june record at the end of aug. that meant july and aug stunk.
that is why you look at the whole body of work, not just snapshots. my buddy bowled a 300 this week. his average is still only 199. he's not a 300 bowler, but a 199 bowler.
that is why you look at the whole body of work, not just snapshots. my buddy bowled a 300 this week. his average is still only 199. he's not a 300 bowler, but a 199 bowler.
through sunday dec 13
fri-sun
nba 2-0 (pushed sunday)
cbb 1-2
nfl 1-2 (5u loser with raiders)
Basketball records from start of 2009 season
18-27 NBA
19-13 in CBB
fyi, keeping records i have posted. may have missed something but this is what i have and going to post what i have tracked. big picture is focus and if not correct all of these numbers are damn close. always some element of human error involved.
CFB AS OF NOV 12
1-7
NFL as of Nov 15
5-13
All sports combined since start of NBA 2009 season
44-60 <!-- / message -->
fri-sun
nba 2-0 (pushed sunday)
cbb 1-2
nfl 1-2 (5u loser with raiders)
Basketball records from start of 2009 season
18-27 NBA
19-13 in CBB
fyi, keeping records i have posted. may have missed something but this is what i have and going to post what i have tracked. big picture is focus and if not correct all of these numbers are damn close. always some element of human error involved.
CFB AS OF NOV 12
1-7
NFL as of Nov 15
5-13
All sports combined since start of NBA 2009 season
44-60 <!-- / message -->
B,
Man, I'm with ya. Let's be honest though, its not just IC. Ben Burns has a new game of the year every week. At least IC doesn't do that. I think he is more on the clean than most of the other touts. Yes, he does promote his streaks or whatever like other touts, but he is not as bad as let's say a Lang or Root by any means. All these guys are like that promoting whatever hot run they are in GOM, GOW blah blah. I assume he was not up much in MLB and WNBA as well as you are right it would be on the page. But, his June was insane like 'Zona said, something like 77%.
CBB: 5 straight winning weeks; 22-14 (61%)
I have the same as Zona as it relates to nba, he is down. I do think he turns it around in bowl season though. He usually does well in it.
Man, I'm with ya. Let's be honest though, its not just IC. Ben Burns has a new game of the year every week. At least IC doesn't do that. I think he is more on the clean than most of the other touts. Yes, he does promote his streaks or whatever like other touts, but he is not as bad as let's say a Lang or Root by any means. All these guys are like that promoting whatever hot run they are in GOM, GOW blah blah. I assume he was not up much in MLB and WNBA as well as you are right it would be on the page. But, his June was insane like 'Zona said, something like 77%.
CBB: 5 straight winning weeks; 22-14 (61%)
I have the same as Zona as it relates to nba, he is down. I do think he turns it around in bowl season though. He usually does well in it.
Arizona, I think on wednesday the Pacers were a push. I got it as a push as well. He did lose Northern Colorado by 1 point though, brutal loss. I got his plays for today, he is on the Bucks +5.5 for the first half, and New Mexico State +2.5 over Pepperdine. I will post this in the service plays.
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