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So IC is 20 games under .500 (with juice) over the last 6 weeks but he will tout the 6 straight weeks of winning CBB. That would be great if we all had a crystal ball and would have known to only play the CBB and to ignore the other 50 plays he released. WHAT a joke and for anyone to try and claim anything different they are drinking the IC coolaid. He is hitting 40% for all plays and that is the bottom line. He finally had a winning week in the NBA last week and he had the balls to tout it. One winning week in like 7 and he's touting that. That is why i am keeping this thread up to date and you can make up your own mind based on the FULL body of work, not what he wants you to see.
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4 Unit Play. #557. Take Colorado State +9.5 over UCLA (Tuesday @ 10:30pm est). I actually have Colorado State as a top 130 team facing a UCLA team who is a top 150 team today. Thus, in my spreadsheets, I have Colorado State falling short by just four points overall and consequently we are catching nearly double-digits. If Colorado State can hang in there today within the single-digits we should pick up the cover as well as the cash. This line is a result of the "name" of UCLA more than the actual play of the Bruins this year. After all, this taem is 3-7 overall this year and comes off a tough loss to Notre Dame on the road. This team has lost to the likes of Long Beach State, Portland and Cal State Fullerton this year as well. Of the three wins this team has this year as they are 3-7, they have defeated Cal State Bakerfield, Pepperdine and New Mexico State - all teams outside the top 200. Now, this Colorado State team comes knocking and they are a top 130 team and should have their work cut out for them this evening. The Rams of Colorado State are 8-1 ATS over their last 9 against the Pac-10 as they get up to play this conference quite often and the Bruins are 1-5 ATS as a favorite this year.
4 Unit Play. #508. Take the New York Knicks -6 over the Chicago Bulls (Tuesday @ 7:30pm est). Revenge game for New York here as they were defeated by the Bulls on the road earlier this year. NY is playing much better as they are 10-17 overall, but more importantly, they have won 7 of their last ten ballgames. The Bulls were up substantially on the Kings and let the game slip away from them and that has to be hit in the stomach and I can see the Knicks end up covering this spread.This is the same Knicks team that has won and covered against the likes of Portland and the Suns at home and even defeating the Hawks outright on the road as a double-digit dog yesterday.
4 Unit Play. #506. Take Boston Celtics -14.5 over Indiana Pacers (Tuesday @ 7:30pm est). If Boston beats Minnesota by double-digits who was playing well coming into that game covering quite a few games, then certainly, they can defeat Indiana by a similar margin as well. Whenever Boston comes off a loss such as the one to the Sixers at home, they typically go on an ATS streak and that could be the situation here as Boston could easily cover this spread. Do note, Boston has revenge against this team as they lost to Indiana on the road earlier this year and for a team that does not lose often and this team certainly remembers the teams that they do lose too. The Pacers are just 2-8 ATS when facing a team with a winning percentage of greater than 60% and the Celtics are a sound 6-2 ATS coming off a day's rest.
4 Unit Play. #512. Take the Memphis Grizzlies -7.5 over the Golden State Warriors (Tuesday @ 8:30pm est). GS has failed to cover four straight games whereas Memphis has covered six of their last eight including defeating the Cavs and Nuggets at home outright at home. This Memphis team is drastically improved from last year and it is showing by the results. This team is 12-15 and has quietly covered four of their last five games and has an offense accompanied by a steady defense. GS beat this team by 8 earlier this year and I can easily see the Grizzlies covering this game with revenge on their mind as Golden State is just looking forward to going back home at this point off of this frustrating road trip.
Good luck,
IC
4 Unit Play. #557. Take Colorado State +9.5 over UCLA (Tuesday @ 10:30pm est). I actually have Colorado State as a top 130 team facing a UCLA team who is a top 150 team today. Thus, in my spreadsheets, I have Colorado State falling short by just four points overall and consequently we are catching nearly double-digits. If Colorado State can hang in there today within the single-digits we should pick up the cover as well as the cash. This line is a result of the "name" of UCLA more than the actual play of the Bruins this year. After all, this taem is 3-7 overall this year and comes off a tough loss to Notre Dame on the road. This team has lost to the likes of Long Beach State, Portland and Cal State Fullerton this year as well. Of the three wins this team has this year as they are 3-7, they have defeated Cal State Bakerfield, Pepperdine and New Mexico State - all teams outside the top 200. Now, this Colorado State team comes knocking and they are a top 130 team and should have their work cut out for them this evening. The Rams of Colorado State are 8-1 ATS over their last 9 against the Pac-10 as they get up to play this conference quite often and the Bruins are 1-5 ATS as a favorite this year.
4 Unit Play. #508. Take the New York Knicks -6 over the Chicago Bulls (Tuesday @ 7:30pm est). Revenge game for New York here as they were defeated by the Bulls on the road earlier this year. NY is playing much better as they are 10-17 overall, but more importantly, they have won 7 of their last ten ballgames. The Bulls were up substantially on the Kings and let the game slip away from them and that has to be hit in the stomach and I can see the Knicks end up covering this spread.This is the same Knicks team that has won and covered against the likes of Portland and the Suns at home and even defeating the Hawks outright on the road as a double-digit dog yesterday.
4 Unit Play. #506. Take Boston Celtics -14.5 over Indiana Pacers (Tuesday @ 7:30pm est). If Boston beats Minnesota by double-digits who was playing well coming into that game covering quite a few games, then certainly, they can defeat Indiana by a similar margin as well. Whenever Boston comes off a loss such as the one to the Sixers at home, they typically go on an ATS streak and that could be the situation here as Boston could easily cover this spread. Do note, Boston has revenge against this team as they lost to Indiana on the road earlier this year and for a team that does not lose often and this team certainly remembers the teams that they do lose too. The Pacers are just 2-8 ATS when facing a team with a winning percentage of greater than 60% and the Celtics are a sound 6-2 ATS coming off a day's rest.
4 Unit Play. #512. Take the Memphis Grizzlies -7.5 over the Golden State Warriors (Tuesday @ 8:30pm est). GS has failed to cover four straight games whereas Memphis has covered six of their last eight including defeating the Cavs and Nuggets at home outright at home. This Memphis team is drastically improved from last year and it is showing by the results. This team is 12-15 and has quietly covered four of their last five games and has an offense accompanied by a steady defense. GS beat this team by 8 earlier this year and I can easily see the Grizzlies covering this game with revenge on their mind as Golden State is just looking forward to going back home at this point off of this frustrating road trip.
Good luck,
IC
Zona,
I agree, he is doing well in cbb, but how are we supposed to know he is going to hit 62% in college ball, but stink it up in the NBA (and football frankly). To his credit, I will give him credit that he acknowledges his losses when he loses, but you better bet your bottom dollar that when he wins he will let you know about it. He is a tout at the end of the day, he is better than most and he is not a scumbag like many of the jerks out there. But, as we know, he is going to promote his "streaks" as all touts. I do like his write-ups though and I do read his articles. I always gauge to see how he is doing in what sport before I ride him. Like I said, I only follow him for CBB, MLB, WNBA and NBA (although this year in NBA he has struggled to start). my 2 cents.
I agree, he is doing well in cbb, but how are we supposed to know he is going to hit 62% in college ball, but stink it up in the NBA (and football frankly). To his credit, I will give him credit that he acknowledges his losses when he loses, but you better bet your bottom dollar that when he wins he will let you know about it. He is a tout at the end of the day, he is better than most and he is not a scumbag like many of the jerks out there. But, as we know, he is going to promote his "streaks" as all touts. I do like his write-ups though and I do read his articles. I always gauge to see how he is doing in what sport before I ride him. Like I said, I only follow him for CBB, MLB, WNBA and NBA (although this year in NBA he has struggled to start). my 2 cents.
Yup, I bought it. Here it is. Goes off at 9. Here is the rest of his card as well:
5 Unit Play. Gotw. #780. Take Montana State +8 over Boise State (Wednesday @ 9pm est). This is a game that Montana State could very well win outright. Over the last three years, these two teams have split wins and losses between each other. What is wild is that I have Montana State as a top 140 team and Boise State as a top 160 team. Yet, it is Boise State because of its recognizable school name, that gets the love here on the spread. See, spreads are a funny thing. The spread is never what it should be, but rather, what the public will buy. Hence, betting is very similar to market principles. So, when you wager, it is helpful to spot teams that are under the radar whose value is significantly higher than what the spread indicates. I like Montana State here as it is a decent public fade and this team beat a top 100 Northern Colorado team who at that time was undefeated I believe by 24. This team's other set of losses come to quality teams such as Memphis, Nevada, Oregon and Southern Miss. I like Montana State here as they are a bit wiser and have another year of experience underneath their belt as they face Boise State with some revenge on the road today. Boise State up to now has not defeated a top 140 team as they lost to top 160 San Diego at home by three points. I think Boise State could have their work cut out for the tonight and certainly, I like the eight points here on a game that we could very well win outright. The Bobcats of Montana State are 8-0 ATS as Underdogs of 7 to 12 points and the Broncos of Boise State are 1-5 ATS at home of late.
4 Unit Play. #725. Take Fordham +11.5 over James Madison University (Wednesday @ 7pm est). Fordham by no means is a great team. But, I like the fact this team is a top 275 team and James Madison is a top 250 team. I don't think James Madison likely gets up for this game and Fordham comes off getting crushed by Villanova on the road. I like for Fordham here to show some pride and likely fall inside the cover by losing by single digits. This Fordham team lost to a good top 125 Fairfield team by 8 points on the road and now they face a top 250 team on the road catching 11.5 points. The math just works in our favor here to take Fordham coming off that tough loss to Villanova and to stick inside the number. James Madison might have more wins, but interestingly enough, it was against all teams outside the top 300 except for one. I think James Madison is challenged more than people realize today and Fordham should give them a good run for their money. JMU is just 1-6 ATS in their last seven overall and also 0-3-1 ATS when coming off a big win of 20 points or more.
4 Unit Play. #729. Take Florida Atlantic University +10 over University of Georgia (Wednesday @ 7pm est). I have faded Georgia quite often this year. If you wait, you very well could get 10.5 or even 11 before tip-off as Georgia is the public play for this game. Georgia comes off a big win over Illinois in a semi-home game winning by 1 point against a decent top 50 opponent in Illinois. Having said that, I believe they have a bit of a let down today against FAU. FAU is by no means a slouch team. This team has talent and has been running their offense for some time now. This is the same team that lost to Manhattan on the road by seven. Why do I bring up that game? Well, Manhattan is a top 155 team. And, Georgia is the same. FAU believe it or not is a top 160 team and FAU and Georgia are actually ranked roughly in the same in many power rankings. If FAU was catching seven points today, I likely would have stayed away. But, by catching ten points and with Georgia coming off that big win over Illinois, I like them to have a hangover today against FAU. It is so tough to get up for a school like FAU when you just come off a big win such as Illinios. This is a good public fade, the Owls of FAU are 4-1 ATS when they are an underdog by this margin and the Bulldogs of Georgia note are 0-7 ATS coming off an ATS win as they are a public team that Vegas keeps a relative close eye on.
4 Unit Play. #716. Take the Denver Nuggets -3.5 over the Atlanta Hawks (Wednesday @ 9pm est). The Denver Nuggets have a good deal of revenge against these Hawks given that they lost to them 100-125 on the road earlier this year. I love the Hawks. They are my team. But, I also understand that Denver comes off back to back road losses and they are desperate for a win today for morale. This team does not lose many games as they are 19-9 and certainly, they do not lose many back to back games or, back to back to back games for that matter. This is the same team that beat the Lakers at home, beat Houston by 10 at home and beat Miami by 18. The Hawks will be a solid dog today but at the end, I suspect around the third quarter, Denver will begin pulling away and I expect them to win by about 8-12 points when all is said and done. The Hawks are 0-4 ATS as Underdogs of this margin of late.
Good luck,
IC
5 Unit Play. Gotw. #780. Take Montana State +8 over Boise State (Wednesday @ 9pm est). This is a game that Montana State could very well win outright. Over the last three years, these two teams have split wins and losses between each other. What is wild is that I have Montana State as a top 140 team and Boise State as a top 160 team. Yet, it is Boise State because of its recognizable school name, that gets the love here on the spread. See, spreads are a funny thing. The spread is never what it should be, but rather, what the public will buy. Hence, betting is very similar to market principles. So, when you wager, it is helpful to spot teams that are under the radar whose value is significantly higher than what the spread indicates. I like Montana State here as it is a decent public fade and this team beat a top 100 Northern Colorado team who at that time was undefeated I believe by 24. This team's other set of losses come to quality teams such as Memphis, Nevada, Oregon and Southern Miss. I like Montana State here as they are a bit wiser and have another year of experience underneath their belt as they face Boise State with some revenge on the road today. Boise State up to now has not defeated a top 140 team as they lost to top 160 San Diego at home by three points. I think Boise State could have their work cut out for the tonight and certainly, I like the eight points here on a game that we could very well win outright. The Bobcats of Montana State are 8-0 ATS as Underdogs of 7 to 12 points and the Broncos of Boise State are 1-5 ATS at home of late.
4 Unit Play. #725. Take Fordham +11.5 over James Madison University (Wednesday @ 7pm est). Fordham by no means is a great team. But, I like the fact this team is a top 275 team and James Madison is a top 250 team. I don't think James Madison likely gets up for this game and Fordham comes off getting crushed by Villanova on the road. I like for Fordham here to show some pride and likely fall inside the cover by losing by single digits. This Fordham team lost to a good top 125 Fairfield team by 8 points on the road and now they face a top 250 team on the road catching 11.5 points. The math just works in our favor here to take Fordham coming off that tough loss to Villanova and to stick inside the number. James Madison might have more wins, but interestingly enough, it was against all teams outside the top 300 except for one. I think James Madison is challenged more than people realize today and Fordham should give them a good run for their money. JMU is just 1-6 ATS in their last seven overall and also 0-3-1 ATS when coming off a big win of 20 points or more.
4 Unit Play. #729. Take Florida Atlantic University +10 over University of Georgia (Wednesday @ 7pm est). I have faded Georgia quite often this year. If you wait, you very well could get 10.5 or even 11 before tip-off as Georgia is the public play for this game. Georgia comes off a big win over Illinois in a semi-home game winning by 1 point against a decent top 50 opponent in Illinois. Having said that, I believe they have a bit of a let down today against FAU. FAU is by no means a slouch team. This team has talent and has been running their offense for some time now. This is the same team that lost to Manhattan on the road by seven. Why do I bring up that game? Well, Manhattan is a top 155 team. And, Georgia is the same. FAU believe it or not is a top 160 team and FAU and Georgia are actually ranked roughly in the same in many power rankings. If FAU was catching seven points today, I likely would have stayed away. But, by catching ten points and with Georgia coming off that big win over Illinois, I like them to have a hangover today against FAU. It is so tough to get up for a school like FAU when you just come off a big win such as Illinios. This is a good public fade, the Owls of FAU are 4-1 ATS when they are an underdog by this margin and the Bulldogs of Georgia note are 0-7 ATS coming off an ATS win as they are a public team that Vegas keeps a relative close eye on.
4 Unit Play. #716. Take the Denver Nuggets -3.5 over the Atlanta Hawks (Wednesday @ 9pm est). The Denver Nuggets have a good deal of revenge against these Hawks given that they lost to them 100-125 on the road earlier this year. I love the Hawks. They are my team. But, I also understand that Denver comes off back to back road losses and they are desperate for a win today for morale. This team does not lose many games as they are 19-9 and certainly, they do not lose many back to back games or, back to back to back games for that matter. This is the same team that beat the Lakers at home, beat Houston by 10 at home and beat Miami by 18. The Hawks will be a solid dog today but at the end, I suspect around the third quarter, Denver will begin pulling away and I expect them to win by about 8-12 points when all is said and done. The Hawks are 0-4 ATS as Underdogs of this margin of late.
Good luck,
IC
holidays, vacation, work....finally found time to update IC's record from the last month.....unfortunately, still a losing record with his higher volume approach.....
IC IF YOU BOTHER TO READ THIS....GO BACK TO 1 POD ON THE ENTIRE BOARD. NOT DIFFICULT TO FIGURE OUT MY MAN.
Basketball records from start of 2009 season
34-45 NBA
43%
37-31 in CBB
54%
CFB Starting NOV 12
7-12 end of regular season and bowls
37%
NFL Starting Nov 15
10-18
36%
All sports combined since start of NBA 2009 season
88-106
45%
SIMPLE MATH...$100 PER PLAY FLAT BET EQUALS -$2800 IN LESS THAN 3 MONTHS. OUCH.
FADE +$920.
IC IF YOU BOTHER TO READ THIS....GO BACK TO 1 POD ON THE ENTIRE BOARD. NOT DIFFICULT TO FIGURE OUT MY MAN.
Basketball records from start of 2009 season
34-45 NBA
43%
37-31 in CBB
54%
CFB Starting NOV 12
7-12 end of regular season and bowls
37%
NFL Starting Nov 15
10-18
36%
All sports combined since start of NBA 2009 season
88-106
45%
SIMPLE MATH...$100 PER PLAY FLAT BET EQUALS -$2800 IN LESS THAN 3 MONTHS. OUCH.
FADE +$920.
Arizona,
I have some different records from you, but some of this stuff is a bit misleading. For example, IC has won four straight weeks in Football - but he went 1-1 in each of those weeks. This is because he has hit his 6* play and missed his 3* play. Yes, he went 50% in those weeks, but he won b/c one was worth more.
He does do 1 POD - per each sport. This is different than 1 POD overall that he used to per day. Still he does more limited plays than nearly any capper I know. Across all sports, IC does:
Per Week:
7 CBB
7 NBA
2 Football Plays.
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16 Plays per week.
He has clients in different sports. For example, his college clients just get 7 plays per week. His NBA Clients get 7 plays per week. And, his Football Clients get just 2 plays per week.
He was solid in baseball, wnba, and college basketball. He is worthless in football - until the Playoffs and Bowl Season - he has never lost those and he is on top this year as well. He is struggling in nba this year which is unlikely for him. I just think these numbers don't give the full picture but again, I will update later.
I have some different records from you, but some of this stuff is a bit misleading. For example, IC has won four straight weeks in Football - but he went 1-1 in each of those weeks. This is because he has hit his 6* play and missed his 3* play. Yes, he went 50% in those weeks, but he won b/c one was worth more.
He does do 1 POD - per each sport. This is different than 1 POD overall that he used to per day. Still he does more limited plays than nearly any capper I know. Across all sports, IC does:
Per Week:
7 CBB
7 NBA
2 Football Plays.
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16 Plays per week.
He has clients in different sports. For example, his college clients just get 7 plays per week. His NBA Clients get 7 plays per week. And, his Football Clients get just 2 plays per week.
He was solid in baseball, wnba, and college basketball. He is worthless in football - until the Playoffs and Bowl Season - he has never lost those and he is on top this year as well. He is struggling in nba this year which is unlikely for him. I just think these numbers don't give the full picture but again, I will update later.
I disagree with you Print. He has lost more of the 5* GOW than won. yes he has had a small amount of success with his last couple 6 unit plays but this is the exception, not the norm. The norm over the last 3 months has been losing on his bigger plays even more than his normal plays. Did you forget about the 6 unit dud on Arizona in CFB? He won with AZ in NFL against GB and Minny last week but that's it as far as his big plays go. Even if my numbers are off a little, which is quite possible, he isn't even close to 50% the last 3 months, without question.
As for the volume of his plays...i do not consider him to be a high volume player. 2-3 plays a day on average is not high volume, but for him it has proven to be a LOSING proposition. THAT is my ONLY point to this entire thread. I want to document his LOSING ways with trying to sell more. You nailed it exactly, he has nfl clients, nba clients, cbb clients....if he were really interested in WINNING for his clients he would stick to what made him successful to begin with...1 POD, period. BTW, several times he has stepped out with 2 NBA or 3 or 4 FB in a day and guess what....even worse record on days when he has 3 or more plays.
He hit 60% for 2 years with 1 POD. He is at best a 52% capper with his current strategy of trying to play 1 play per sport. He is no good to follow or fade. He will float around mediocrity until he goes back to 1 POD or until he proves me wrong and starts to win with more than 1 POD.
I have been following him for 5 years and he has NEVER won with ANY consistency when trying to play more than 1 POD. Accept what you do well and stick to it...PERIOD. This is the point to my thread and why I will continue to update it. I'm not perfect and I may have missed a play or two, maybe, but I'd say my records are almost spot on. I'll give him and extra win or two or an extra 5 units....he is still losing. NO WAY to defend that my friend.
As for the volume of his plays...i do not consider him to be a high volume player. 2-3 plays a day on average is not high volume, but for him it has proven to be a LOSING proposition. THAT is my ONLY point to this entire thread. I want to document his LOSING ways with trying to sell more. You nailed it exactly, he has nfl clients, nba clients, cbb clients....if he were really interested in WINNING for his clients he would stick to what made him successful to begin with...1 POD, period. BTW, several times he has stepped out with 2 NBA or 3 or 4 FB in a day and guess what....even worse record on days when he has 3 or more plays.
He hit 60% for 2 years with 1 POD. He is at best a 52% capper with his current strategy of trying to play 1 play per sport. He is no good to follow or fade. He will float around mediocrity until he goes back to 1 POD or until he proves me wrong and starts to win with more than 1 POD.
I have been following him for 5 years and he has NEVER won with ANY consistency when trying to play more than 1 POD. Accept what you do well and stick to it...PERIOD. This is the point to my thread and why I will continue to update it. I'm not perfect and I may have missed a play or two, maybe, but I'd say my records are almost spot on. I'll give him and extra win or two or an extra 5 units....he is still losing. NO WAY to defend that my friend.
He does do 1 POD - per each sport. This is different than 1 POD overall that he used to per day. Still he does more limited plays than nearly any capper I know. Across all sports, IC does:
Per Week:
7 CBB
7 NBA
2 Football Plays.
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16 Plays per week.
16 is the minimum. He usually has more than 2 FB and doubles up on NBA a day here and there. He probably plays closer to 20 a week. AGAIN not high volume, but for him it doesn't work.
I want to see him cut it back two-thirds of 20 and play 7 per week. That's when I know he is in it to win, not to just make a sale.
Per Week:
7 CBB
7 NBA
2 Football Plays.
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16 Plays per week.
16 is the minimum. He usually has more than 2 FB and doubles up on NBA a day here and there. He probably plays closer to 20 a week. AGAIN not high volume, but for him it doesn't work.
I want to see him cut it back two-thirds of 20 and play 7 per week. That's when I know he is in it to win, not to just make a sale.
saturday plays?
Do we have saturdays plays? Last season I purchased IC's year long package. I ended up losing a little bit more than I won (local book having slightly different lines) but was pleased with his analysis and writeups. He seems to at least put some good time and effort into his plays and I find his angles on games very interesting. I believe he will have a good CBB season, its usually one of his better sports. I do know that last year he started off VERY hot in the beginning, but as VEGAS got a little better setting the lines, he got a LOT worse. But we shall see, I will be watching and paying attention to this one.
Do we have saturdays plays? Last season I purchased IC's year long package. I ended up losing a little bit more than I won (local book having slightly different lines) but was pleased with his analysis and writeups. He seems to at least put some good time and effort into his plays and I find his angles on games very interesting. I believe he will have a good CBB season, its usually one of his better sports. I do know that last year he started off VERY hot in the beginning, but as VEGAS got a little better setting the lines, he got a LOT worse. But we shall see, I will be watching and paying attention to this one.
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