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CBB CORNELL WINNER
NBA MILWAUKEE LOSER

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MISS ST LOSER
PITT LOSER
WASH ST LOSER

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3-2 in CBB
10-14 = 41.7%

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Printman, I live by the wisdom of TRUST but VERIFY. I trust what you are saying but I will be documenting here for all to see, good or bad. I can tell you from his pattern over the years that yesterday was a classic day where he would have had one play and it likely would have been Cornell as a dog he though could win outright. He would have likely passed on the rest of the card. No way to know for sure, but in the old days he would have went 1-0, not 1-4. BIG difference in his style change from what made him successful. I believe he will at best be a 54% capper vs the 61% he was prior to this volume approach. NO sense paying for someone to hit 54%. Time will tell.
 

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correction that was some other tout...IC wins with Carolina...
 

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carolina goy 8u winner
tenn 4u winner
seattle 4u loser

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over phx 4u loser

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nc willm 2u loser

Basketball records from start of 2009 season
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3-3 in CBB
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CFB AS OF NOV 12
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NFL as of Nov 15
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Another example of IC focusing more on marketing than clients:

IC started last year with giving out 2u plays at the end of the betting week to protect a winning week. Not a bad idea of course, but he is doing it so he can claim a winning week for marketing purposes. He went 3-3 on the week, but won't focus on that. He will advertise "A WINNING WEEK". So he won 1 unit for the week in college bb. If he goes 3-6 this week and loses 12 units, and then follows it up with another small winning week with plus 2u he will then advertise he has 2 of 3 winning weeks even though he may be down 10 units.
That's why I always say
"TRUST BUT VERIFY" with these so called professional cappers.
 

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so I thought he had just 1-6 unit plays.. now all of a sudden I see 8 unit plays?? what's that all about..
 

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hence the title....jumped the shark, lol

He had a 7* GOM in NBA 2 weeks ago (loser on Wiz) and a 8* GOY yesterday. Appears his ratings now go 1-8 with 4u being the day to day regular plays. I guess a 5 or 6 is GOW, 7GOM, and 8 GOY????? Who knows anymore??
 

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I agree. In the good old days, his picks were few with little schools. Now I guess maybe he feels the need to put out more plays.
 

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Slow down fellas, He has always done 8 Unit Plays for his NFL Game of the Years. He did it in 2007, 2008 and 2009. He won with his 8 Unit GOY with the Panthers over the Falcons this weekend. So, he is 3-0 lifetime in it now.

Arizona, yea, those are his ratings now. 4 Unit for his regular plays. 5 Units for his GOTWs. He only does One, 8 Unit Selection per sport per year.

I don't like when he has the 6 Unit or 7 Unit Plays though.

I like his 5*s and that's it.

I agree Zona', he was protecting the winning week so he rolled with the 2*. I still think he takes little schools, look at his pick in UNC-Wilmington yesterday, they were up by around double-digits at half and were getting points too. He lost that by 1 point.

He has not changed in college basketball. He took Cornell the other day vs. Bama, and still does 1 college ball play a day. He still does 1 NBA play a day. He did 1 WNBA play a day and 1 Baseball play a day in the summer for the most part and won with that.

I don't think IC has changed so much EXCEPT: for the fact that does these 6* and 7* plays this year which I don't like. I wish he would stick to his standard 4* plays, do a 5* play occasionally like he did and the 8* once per sport.

What I'm trying to get at, is I don't think he has changed as much as we think he has changed. He is just working in to a bigger service, but still being IC. He still releases much less plays per week than most cappers.
 

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hahaha

print, no sooner do you make the statement about him sticking with one play per day per sport (which I argue is still not the discipline he used to hit 60% for 2 years) he gives out 4 plays for today. 3 CBB plays, one being a 5u play and a first half play in the NBA. In over 4 years I can't remember him ever giving out a first half only play.

we are both fans of his and have followed him in the past but you have to agree that this guy has changed from his roots of success and nobody can convince me for the better.

not a big deal for me as I will split my 1u play for him into 3 and play all 3 cbb games equal. i'd just rather him go do the research and give us 1 play that he feels most confident in. i guess i could assume the 5u play is the strongest and roll with that. to each his own i guess.
 

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hahaha.

Arizona, I love having discussions with you. Yes, I saw what he had today and I was like, well damn, I just wrote that. But, he does do several plays a day from time to time in college basketball. He usually lays off the Friday card and tries to average between 7-10 plays from what we know of him. This is particularly true if he has a 3-0 day today. You better believe he will protect that for a winning week. So, I guess if he steps out early or late, he is looking for that "winning week".

I do remember him giving a comp play for the first half the other day on his comp video. He had the Wizards 1st half over the heat. It cashed. He said the wiz had revenge and didn't trust them for the game. He said the same thing here. So, not a complete surprise.

I don't know Zona, he has changed, but I think he is trying to balance selling and selectivity. Long story short, he was 60% when he did 1 play a day. He is 56% from what I've tracked of him when he does more. But, then again, its up to you, is 56% of let's say a 1000 plays better? Or, is 60% of 365 plays better? To each his own I guess. Bark Bark Zona tonight!
 

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Any chance

Any chance you have those cbb plays and can post them? And does he usually get posted on this site?

Thanks in advance
 

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Here you go GC...

4 Unit Play. #501. FIRST HALF ONLY. Take the Portland Trailblazers +2 First Half Only over the Atlanta Hawks (Monday @ 7:05pm est). If you've seen my videos, you would have noted one time I took the Wizards for the first half only versus the Miami Heat as a comp selection. In that game, the Wizards had revenge on a game in which they had lost to the Heat at home and they were going on the road to face the Heat. And, the Wizards indeed came off with a bang and were leading at the half Outright. Then, I mentioned that the Heat have a way of coming back in the second half, getting late calls and consequently, being able to cover the spread. And, that is exactly what happened. Such, is the case today as the Blazers face the Hawks in Hotlanta. The Hawks defeated this team on the road earlier this year and this is a revenge game for Nate and his crew. The Hawks come off a huge win over the Celtics and I think they come out a little flat today. I like the Blazers to either lead by the close of the first half or to stay within the two points here as the likely cover the first half but I feel that for the entire game, it is questionable if they will be able to keep their momentum as Joe Johnson and crew will likely make a comeback in the second half. Hence, we cheer for the Blazers to lead at the half as they likely use that revenge to carry them through for the first 24 minutes.

4 Unit Play. #516. Take Missouri State +5 over Auburn Tigers (Monday @ 8:05pm est). Note, this is an evening game. Missouri State is very much of a basketball school and their gym will be packed for this contest. This is Monday Night, their season opener and again, Missouri State, loves their basketball through and through. I expect that place to be rocking. Yes, Auburn is an SEC school. But, once again, they are picked to finish in the bottom of the barrel in the SEC West and the SEC overall. This team won a great game against Niagara by four points but failed to cover the -5.5 spread. Missouri State should be improved from last year as they are in the second year under their new ballcoach, get back some injured players including Weems and several starters do return including two highly touted freshman with one of them being Ricks. I expect this team to give Auburn all they can handle with their defensive pressure which is something that this team has always had and they will have an increased scoring output this year. Its tough to trust a team like Auburn on the road laying this many points and it would mean a lot to this program after their worst season last year to win a big game over a recognized school name such as Auburn.

4 Unit Play. #541. Take Eastern Washington +14 over Washington State (Monday @ 10pm est). Eastern Washington comes off a tough loss to Portland, who always has a solid basketball team. This team played very well and although they did lose, it shows that this team will have some talent that will compete this year. Newspapers are reporting that this could be Coach Earlywine's best recruiting class ever as they have improved a great deal on their athleticism from last year. Without a doubt this team is improved from last year's team significantly. Heck, this team is returning five seniors, has another year of experience for the big men down low, has a game underneath their belt with the new faces on this team and certainly will get up for an in-state competition such as this. This Eastern Washington team in probably was one of their worst teams lost by 27 to Washington State back in 2007. They are considerably better this year and I believe this is a solid public fade as this team likely hangs in by single-digits this evening.

5 Unit Play. #519. Take CS Fullerton +16 over UCLA (Monday @ 11:59pm est). We take dogs that can win outright and certainly, having a team in CS Fullerton catching 16 points is one that we will have to jump on. This is also a solid public fade as well. Many people have been high been high on CS Fullerton coming into this season and they didn't let their backers down in their first game. Granted, it was against Hope, but still. This team has solid talent and depth coming back. I want you to notice the total when it comes out in this game as well. What you will see is that we get a solid deal of points here given the total and statistically that is to our advantage as well. Plus, UCLA likes to slow the pace down a good bit and CS Fullerton does have the ability to shoot, which in a slow paced game, can become very significant with the 16 points as well. UCLA has not looked impressive in their first two games of the year and a bit sluggish honestly such as their wins against Concordia 62-61 and defeating Humbolt State by 17. CS Fullerton is a much better team with a very, very deep bench. This bench scored 50 points plus against Hope International University which shows that they have five guys on the bench who their coach believes can be starters elsewhere. I would not be surprised if CS Fullerton possibly wins this game outright tonight folks. This team is definitely talented enough to do it.

Good luck,
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thanks again man,
he could have a very good night if fullerton pulls it out.
 

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Nice job 4-0 yesterday

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Port FH +4u

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3-0, +13u

Basketball records from start of 2009 season
8-13 NBA
6-3 in CBB
14-16

CFB AS OF NOV 12
1-3

NFL as of Nov 15
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4 Unit Play. #773. Take the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 /><st1:placetype w:st="on">University</st1:placetype> of <st1:placename w:st="on">Wofford</st1:placename> +3.5 over <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placetype w:st="on">University</st1:placetype> of <st1:placename w:st="on">Georgia</st1:placename></st1:place> (Tuesday @ 7pm est). A great day for us yesterday as our 5* in CS-Fullerton wins +16 as an Outright dog over UCLA, Missouri State wins as a +5 Outright dog over Auburn and Eastern Washington cashes easily as a +16 dog to to Washington State. Let's focus, a lot more work to be done on our path to +100 Units. A lot is going on in this game. For starters, this little known school in Wofford, who is extremely well coached, went on the road and raised eyebrows losing to <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Pittsburgh</st1:place></st1:city> 60-63 as 15 point Underdogs. Note, that 80% of the public was on <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Pittsburgh</st1:place></st1:city> in that game. And, Pitt nearly lost the game at home. Now, a similar situation. You have the University o <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Georgia</st1:place></st1:country-region> also has a 80% public favorite over this team laying -3.5. This team is still getting used to their new coach and new style of play and could very well lose this game Outright to Wofford. We like Dogs that can win Outright. And, certainly, Wofford is capable of this. They are well coached, have great veteran leadership, more than <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Georgia</st1:place></st1:country-region> in fact that are coming back and this particular team has played together for some time. They have a solid defensive scheme that they are used to running and bear in mind this team has only gotten better since last year. Georgia and Wofford met last year and the Dawgs ended up winning 74-73 at home in overtime. The Dawgs were 11 point favorites in that game and they nearly lost that game Outright. Wofford comes off a loss to Pitt, they have revenge, they are the better team here in my opinion and have great shot at winning this game Outright. This is also a great public fade and this is exactly why this line is -3.5 as Vegas expects to bury the public here. Wofford is 5-0 ATS against the SEC of late, 4-0 ATS in their last four non-conference games (people underestimate their talent simply because they are a smaller school) and the Bulldogs are 1-6 ATS in their last seven games (people typically overestimate their talent).

4 Unit Play. #710. Take the Houston Rockets -3.5 over the Phoenix Suns (Tuesday @ 8:30pm est). This is a bad spot for the Suns in my opinion. For starters, this team comes in as a 3.5 underdog with 65% of the public on them. Also, the Rockets are the same team that went into LA and defeated the Lakers and nearly beat the Lakers at home losing to them in overtime. The Rockets certainly have the defensive presence and rising stars in their young guards, in particular, Aaron Brooks. Houston is a very tough place to play and the Rockets have won 104-79 at home and 105-94 over the Thunder (who are much improved this year). Anytime you see 65% of the public on the Underdog, I've always told you to run the other way and that is exactly what we will do today as per this game. The Rockets are 6-0 ATS in their last six contests as home favorites and 8-2 ATS in their last 10 contests as home favorites. They are the type of team that gets up for the better teams in the league and certainly, when Phoenix comes calling and the way the spread is placed with the public breakdown, it looks like Houston is likely to take this game straight up as well as by the spread.
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