Sean McVay is your typical lazy entitled millennial..

[PatsFan1283]

How good of a coach is McVay? Ehh, grading coaches too accurately in real time is basically impossible. Too much subjectivity involved. Doesn't mean we can't try...

My guess is he's better than most, top 12ish or whatever. But I'd also guess he isn't as good of a coach edge wise as he was the first day he took that job from Jeff Fisher and some of the NFL was living in the past with antiquated strategies. That was a lot of low hanging fruit for him to take out and he took over a team with Goff/Gurley/Watkins/Woods/Kupp/Donald (obviously he gets credit for developing all of those offensive guys as Woods and Watkins were on their 2nd team and Kupp wasn't a first day pick) with an owner that was willing to spend a lot of money in the short-term because he wanted the team to be relevant when they moved. Fisher would just run Gurley up the middle 20x a game, was completely living in the past. It was a great spot.

McVay spawned a lot of mini-McVay's in terms of young offensive guys getting jobs...LaFleur, Stefanski,, Taylor, OConnell, Daboll....Now everyone uses more play-action, wide zone scheme running to where he is just another pretty good coach rather than someone representing an evolution of the game. Pederson also a pretty good coach, but the day he beat the Patriots in the SB with Nick Foles, he seemed Godly. By the time he left the Eagles, basically no one cared.

 

[Avocado33]

It will be interesting to see if Stafford gives it one more year or if he leaves as well

He was awesome in 2021 but seems like a lot of shit outside of football could keep him away

 

[crudebar]

I’m just happy the Rams took on the Bengals SB hangover

I am just happy you instantly stopped avoiding a thread(you have avoided for days) a few minutes after i said something up here...

Good dog.

 

[Avocado33]

How good of a coach is McVay? Ehh, grading coaches too accurately in real time is basically impossible. Too much subjectivity involved. Doesn't mean we can't try...

My guess is he's better than most, top 12ish or whatever. But I'd also guess he isn't as good of a coach edge wise as he was the first day he took that job from Jeff Fisher and some of the NFL was living in the past with antiquated strategies. That was a lot of low hanging fruit for him to take out and he took over a team with Goff/Gurley/Watkins/Woods/Kupp/Donald with an owner that was willing to spend a lot of money in the short-term because he wanted the team to be relevant when they moved. Fisher would just run Gurley up the middle 20x a game, was completely living in the past. It was a great spot.

McVay spawned a lot of mini-McVay's in terms of young offensive guys getting jobs...LaFleur, Stefanski,, Taylor, OConnell, Daboll....Now everyone uses more play-action, wide zone scheme running to where he is just another pretty good coach rather than someone representing an evolution of the game.

Yeah, sounds about right

Random but coaching in both Super Bowls was atrocious. Made Taylor look like Belichick in the last one

 

[SheriffJoe]

Does a fan of any NFL team really care if they dont have a 4th, 5th, or 2 of their 6th round picks in the next draft?

Yeah, it sucks not having your first round pick this year considering its a high draft pick but ask any NFL fan what would they rather have? A super bowl win or a top 10 draft pick 2 years from then.

What are they taking?

I'm waiting for you to tell that the ONLY reason that the rams won last year is b/c the super bowl was in LA

I realize I can't win this part of the argument because, "They won a Super Bowl!!" ...but the reality is, they were very lucky ("weakest NFC in years.." - crude)

Don't think the Rams formula will work in Miami. I can think of at least 3 reasons off the top of my head why it won't:

1) Allen
2) Burrows
3) Mahomes

 

[crudebar]

How good of a coach is McVay? Ehh, grading coaches too accurately in real time is basically impossible. Too much subjectivity involved. Doesn't mean we can't try...

My guess is he's better than most, top 12ish or whatever. But I'd also guess he isn't as good of a coach edge wise as he was the first day he took that job from Jeff Fisher and some of the NFL was living in the past with antiquated strategies. That was a lot of low hanging fruit for him to take out and he took over a team with Goff/Gurley/Watkins/Woods/Kupp/Donald with an owner that was willing to spend a lot of money in the short-term because he wanted the team to be relevant when they moved. Fisher would just run Gurley up the middle 20x a game, was completely living in the past. It was a great spot.

McVay spawned a lot of mini-McVay's in terms of young offensive guys getting jobs...LaFleur, Stefanski,, Taylor, OConnell, Daboll....Now everyone uses more play-action, wide zone scheme running to where he is just another pretty good coach rather than someone representing an evolution of the game.

I wouldn't go out of my way to get McVay.

dead on also..."he was good at poker because he knew a little when everyone else knew shit."

The gap between great and good is a sliver now....

 

[crudebar]

I realize I can't win this part of the argument because, "They won a Super Bowl!!" ...but the reality is, they were very lucky ("weakest NFC in years.." - crude)

Don't think the Rams formula will work in Miami. I can think of at least 3 reasons off the top of my head why it won't:

1) Allen
2) Burrows
3) Mahomes

LOL. once again i said that about this year.

Once again just take away what you want to take away. I know you don't give a shit if it's true or not as long as it fits your argument.

 

[Knightrofins]

I realize I can't win this part of the argument because, "They won a Super Bowl!!" ...but the reality is, they were very lucky ("weakest NFC in years.." - crude)

Don't think the Rams formula will work in Miami. I can think of at least 3 reasons off the top of my head why it won't:

1) Allen
2) Burrows
3) Mahomes

We're talking McVay here, not Miami

And yes, that is a MAJOR problem.

I know you did this off the top of your head but you gotta put Herbert in there as well

 

[PatsFan1283]

I realize I can't win this part of the argument because, "They won a Super Bowl!!" ...but the reality is, they were very lucky ("weakest NFC in years.." - crude)

Don't think the Rams formula will work in Miami. I can think of at least 3 reasons off the top of my head why it won't:

1) Allen
2) Burrows
3) Mahomes

Even if they lose in the 2nd rd to Tampa because Godwin/Wirfs are healthy and they lose 30-27 instead of win 30-27, it would likely be considered a bad move. But how bad? They lost 2 1sts, they had Aaron Donald, the best defensive player of the generation. They had Ramsey, considered 1 of the best DB's in the game. They had Von Miller, OBJ, Whitworth in their last years. They're trying to find high upside QB play to get over the hump.

I would still say it was a good move, only 1 team wins at the end of the year and I wouldn't have felt remotely good about doing that with Goff after the previous 2 years (as well as the stretch run of 2018 as well really)

So even removing the results oriented aspect of it (they won the SB!"), I still think for that particular team at that time it was worth it to get Stafford.

 

[SheriffJoe]

I’m just happy the Rams took on the Bengals SB hangover

Your Bengals left everything in KC and brought nothing to the Super Bowl.

We saw what Allen and the Bills did to the Rams (minus Von Miller) the first game of the season. That's what the Chiefs or Bills would have done to Millennial McVay.

Everyone knows the Rams aren't winning shit in a 7 game playoff grind like other sports. That's the problem with football, one game where anything can and does happen, and you're done.

I obviously can't win this stupid "They got a Super Bow!!!" argument, but the Rams were extremely lucky on multiple fronts.

 

[crudebar]

It does show how Joe processes information.

It doesn't matter what is actually written it only matters how he initially perceives it to fit his already unwavering beliefs.

Even though i have already repeatedly told him what i wrote----he still carries how to his misread. No apologies no "my bad" doesn't even stop using the quote. Just carries on.

 

[crudebar]

Your Bengals left everything in KC and brought nothing to the Super Bowl.

We saw what Allen and Bills did to the Rams (minus Von Miller) the first game of the season. That's what the Chiefs or Bills would have done to Millennial McVay.

Everyone knows the Rams aren't winning shit in a 7 game playoff grind like other sports. That's the problem with football, one game where anything can and does happen, and you're done.

I obviously can't win this stupid "They got a Super Bow!!!" argument, but the Rams were extremely lucky on multiple fronts.

Lucky?

Is it possible not to get lucky with a 1 game play-off and how close these teams are talent wise.

Best you can do these days is give yourself an edge.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Your Bengals left everything in KC and brought nothing to the Super Bowl.

We saw what Allen and the Bills did to the Rams (minus Von Miller) the first game of the season. That's what the Chiefs or Bills would have done to Millennial McVay.

Everyone knows the Rams aren't winning shit in a 7 game playoff grind like other sports. That's the problem with football, one game where anything can and does happen, and you're done.

I obviously can't win this stupid "They got a Super Bow!!!" argument, but the Rams were extremely lucky on multiple fronts.

This post just comes off as pure emotion. "Bengals left everything in KC", that's something you hear on ESPN.

Winning the superbowl is the goal of the sport. Not making 1st rd picks in 2024-2025 when Aaron Donald is an old man. Everyone needs some luck to win it all, especially if Stafford (or Goff) is your QB. Hell, the Patriots needed some luck the years they won and their QB was Brady.

Why do you care what another man does with his life so much anyway? You treat this shit like a soap opera.

 

[crudebar]

Those Brady/Belicheck teams---ran above EV

Manning/Colts--ran below EV.

Those 90s Cowboys teams---were just that good.

You aren't winning SBs any longer without a luck factor.

 

[PatsFan1283]

I wouldn't go out of my way to get McVay.

dead on also..."he was good at poker because he knew a little when everyone else knew shit."

The gap between great and good is a sliver now....

Pederson is probably an even better example than McVay. Very good coach, but the way he was going for it on 4th downs and playing optimally was coaching circles around other coaches. Then he beats NE in the SB with Nick Foles and looks like the next Bill Walsh. 3 years later when he left the Eagles, if it was posted on here it probably got 7 replies. No one cared.

Good coach, found a nice spot in JVille but all these guys regress pretty hard when you don't have Montana throwing the ball to Rice, Craig, Taylor with no salary cap.

 

[crudebar]

Pederson is probably an even better example than McVay. Very good coach, but the way he was going for it on 4th downs and playing optimally was coaching circles around other coaches. Then he beats NE in the SB with Nick Foles and looks like the next Bill Walsh. 3 years later when he left the Eagles, if it was posted on here it probably got 7 replies. No one cared.

Good coach, found a nice spot in JVille but all these guys regress pretty hard when you don't have Montana throwing the ball to Rice, Craig, Taylor with no salary cap.

Great point.

Now everyone understands football and is coaching from the same sheet. Making everything razor thin.

Everyone is Moneyball now(i no different sport)

It's why i could crush poker in college and a little beyond but can barely beat 1/2 these days.

 

[Knightrofins]

Those Brady/Belicheck teams---ran above EV

Manning/Colts--ran below EV.

Those 90s Cowboys teams---were just that good.

You aren't winning SBs any longer without a luck factor.

I disagree. You need luck to win a super bowl.

Maybe not in the super bowl but the path that got you there. Maybe a certain play in an earlier playoff game. Even a lucky play in the regular season that got you to be a 1 seed?

Lets look at the 2020 bucs who won in New Orleans and Green bay in an EMPTY stadium.

If the stadium was full of fans, would the bucs still have reached the super bowl?

Other lucky games could be the pats winning the super bowl when they played KC in the AFC championship game and Chris Jones was offsides in overtime

There are WAY more situations as well but dont feel like thinking about them at the moment.

Guess i'm just being a lazy milenial?

 

[PatsFan1283]

Great point.

Now everyone understands football and is coaching from the same sheet. Making everything razor thin.

Everyone is Moneyball now(i no different sport)

NBA is even more homogenized than NFL. Udoka turned Celts around, so he gets jammed up on some sex scandal and that's gonna be a problem? Right? Nah not really. Didn't miss a beat.

Popovich is actually a good example of someone that could've left at the right time similar to Phil Jackson. If Pop leaves after 2017ish, he's considered the best coach of all time by many (atleast modern era, we'll say post 1980)

Now people see him with egg on his face and he's just lumped in as 1 of the best with the rest really. Riley, Phil, Brown. I doubt he goes down as superior to them really. Not that anyone cares who the best coach is or anything.

I think guys like Spoelstra are great coaches, but edge is small. Bigger edge is probably in player development....Heat always find guys whereas the Bucks never find anyone. But even that could be variance/dry up sooner than later.

 

[crudebar]

I disagree. You need luck to win a super bowl.

Maybe not in the super bowl but the path that got you there. Maybe a certain play in an earlier playoff game. Even a lucky play in the regular season that got you to be a 1 seed?

Lets look at the 2020 bucs who won in New Orleans and Green bay in an EMPTY stadium.

If the stadium was full of fans, would the bucs still have reached the super bowl?

Other lucky games could be the pats winning the super bowl when they played KC in the AFC championship game and Chris Jones was offsides in overtime

There are WAY more situations as well but dont feel like thinking about them at the moment.

Guess i'm just being a lazy milenial?

I think you might have missed my point.

I am saying luck is a huge factor now.

back with those 90s cowboy or Walsh 49ers or even Jordans bulls or Durant/Curry Warriors a break here or there for opposing team isn't going to break them...

NFL now it will break you

edit: basketball is probably a bad example as even now the great vs good teams is still rather larger. Also a 7 game series helps immensely.

 

[PatsFan1283]

I disagree. You need luck to win a super bowl.

Maybe not in the super bowl but the path that got you there. Maybe a certain play in an earlier playoff game. Even a lucky play in the regular season that got you to be a 1 seed?

Lets look at the 2020 bucs who won in New Orleans and Green bay in an EMPTY stadium.

If the stadium was full of fans, would the bucs still have reached the super bowl?

Other lucky games could be the pats winning the super bowl when they played KC in the AFC championship game and Chris Jones was offsides in overtime

There are WAY more situations as well but dont feel like thinking about them at the moment.

Guess i'm just being a lazy milenial?

It was actually Dee Ford who was offsides. But he said you need luck/run good.

Let's look at the 2011-2013 Patriots...If Gronk/Talib are healthy for any of those games at the end of the year, maybe they win all 3 .....NE didn't always run good.