Olympics Boxing Thread and Discussion

[GreenDoberman]

I agree, but that is the point. Amateur and professional boxing are not mirror images of each other, nor are they supposed to be. Amateur boxing deals with the science of the sport and scoring blows as opposed to professional boxing that emphasizes damage to your opponent.

The entire focus of amateur boxing is that the competitors do not get hurt or put in dangerous situations. Hence the standing eight counts and numerous warnings.

The fact that some cannot grasp the differences is part and parcel the problem, starting with the announcers of the competition. There is no prerequisite for amateur boxing to produce professional champions nor is that their end goal. The fact so many successful amateurs end up as professional champions (need I list them?) proves that superior boxing skill wins at both levels.

Finally, Warren does have the physical attributes to be a champion, however his mental game and intelligence are far, far, far behind and he will never amount to anything. He would get beat pillar to post by numerous Thai flyweights in Bangkok on the professional level. Mentally he is the furthest thing from a champion.

 

[GreenDoberman]

Let me make a past amateur boxing analogy for those that can relate.
Raushee Warren is a modern day Kelcie Banks.

Last time I talked to Kelcie he was a security guard at the Las Vegas casino I worked at and making less sense by the day.

 

[DennizdaMenace]

:finger:

 

[GreenDoberman]

Please caption that picture with:

"Did you see that? He scored and the judges didn't give him credit. There's no fingerprints. This is corrupt, it's fixed. I'm a fucking idiot."

 

[DennizdaMenace]

I do like his point that..."Somebodys gonna get knocked down..and a point will not be scored"

I think it has happened eh?

 

[GreenDoberman]

Either way it is just one point. That is professional thinking. Knockdowns are more meaningful there, in amateur boxing they mean the same as a cleanly scored jab. It may be hard to comprehend that, but it is the rules of the sport.

 

[Wynn]

Either way it is just one point. That is professional thinking. Knockdowns are more meaningful there, in amateur boxing they mean the same as a cleanly scored jab. It may be hard to comprehend that, but it is the rules of the sport.

I think most of us can comprehend it, but we can still not like it and yet not just merely be sore losers. Boxing at any level is an aggressive, violent sport and we're watching the end result of too many "experts" trying to make it less so in the interests of "safety" and "objectivity". When I'm watching an Olympic bout as a boxing fan without a side, I'm finding it difficult to correlate the points to the punches. Maybe I'm just slow, but it is difficult to follow the scoring. I find myself watching the point tally rather than the actual fight to try and figure out how points are scored.

BTW, I know I can simply choose not to watch it, but I can't help it. I grew up loving Olympic boxing.

 

[GreenDoberman]

I love it as well, but I can't think of a single bout in this Olympics where the judged winner did not correlate with the deserved winner.

In that sense the end absolutely justifies the means. The tally is fundamentally irrelevant if the correct winner is determined.

I'd much rather see a low "scored" bout with the deserving winner than another Roy Jones Jr. fiasco.

Sometimes we can't see the forest for the trees.

 

[DennizdaMenace]

Teddy told you to watch out for Deontay Wilder..I listened..I like what I just saw..I like it alot..this could has a darkhorse shot..Someones gonna have to kill him..Or he will kill

He just knock the lights out of his opponents..He was cheated on the score some too..yeah thats right..cheated on the score

DEONTAY all the way!..Knocked that punk all the way to Algeria..Look out..I am excited here!

Other Sports - Olympics - Boxing - Boxing Heavy Weight gold medal - Deontay Wilder +6600 arty:

 

[GreenDoberman]

Good luck with that Denniz!
Free pass to the semis where it is Russo or the Russian.

You know what happens when you face Russo. Do I have to make you watch Karate Kid? Oh yeah, that was LaRusso. Never mind. Bring 'er home.

Teddy is borderline retarded though. I think you gave him that childhood scar.

 

[DennizdaMenace]

Ha..I see the Dobie stirs late this eve..I am waiting on Nigeria to kick the US butt in soccer..then I will watch the Cubans zip the Japs in baseball..then I will watch Mali stay within 62 of the USA girls..sleep 2-3 hours and start again..Got an early NYY MLB today too..Plus we got S Korea playing USA in Baseball in an hour or two..Fun..fun..fun..Plus plenty other soccer..and Oly tennis..Got Simon over Blake homie..

Did you watch the Wilder fight?

 

[GreenDoberman]

I have not watched the fights. I turned it off after the middle of the fight that followed the Warren fight. The Armenian guy was putting on a clinic and tweedlefuckingdee and tweedlefuckingdum kept bitching about the judging, etc. Can't bring myself to watch the rest.

I have numerous soccer/football action and will probably watch the fights at some point (likely on mute via my frustration) to see what is going on.

I'm still rooting for the hometown boys despite every part of the broadcast drawing me away from them. Good for Wilder and I hope he does a damn good job.

I don't think Coach Campbell is the greatest of all time, but the way they are completely railroading him is absolutely ridiculous and borderline criminal.

 

[GreenDoberman]

Been away all weekend with Bash festitives and did not catch too much of the boxing action.

Tournament is starting to get down to the medal stages. Quarterfinals are either going on or have already been fought. Hopefully I will have a decent amount of fighters I bet on left in the semifinal stages.

I did catch the Andrade fight which he lost. Completely classless of him to leave the ring before the decision was announced. He didn't exactly endear himself in the interview afterwards either. Certainly an emotional moment but it was embarrassing considering he was representing our country as well.

 

[GreenDoberman]

Updating pending wagers:

Status of Bets

All are to win the Gold Medal:

E. Correa (CUB) +1000 Middleweight *2 units In Quarterfinals
E. Alvarez (COL) +4000 Light Heavyweight Lost Second Round
K. Egan (IRE) +8000 Light Heavyweight In Quarterfinals
M. Boonjumnong (THA) +415 Light Welterweight In Semifinals
B. Georgiev (BUL) +1600 Light Welterweight Lost Second Round
B. Sarsekbayev (KAZ) +1250 Welterweight In Semifinals
N. Boonjumnong (THA) +1000 Welterweight Lost Second Round
A. Killici (TUR) +5000 Welterweight LOST First Round
A. Tischenko (RUS) +170 Lightweight *3 units In Quarterfinals
S.G. Kim (PRK) +1600 Lightweight LOST First Round
W. Petchkoom (THA) +2000 Bantamweight Lost Quarterfinals
S. Vodapyanov (RUS) +210 Bantamweight *2 units Lost 2nd Round
O. Acosta (CUB) +325 Heavyweight In Semifinals
R. Alfonso (CUB) +2000 Super Heavyweight Lost First Round
I. Torriente (CUB) +1050 to win Featherweight Lost Quarterfinals

 

[GreenDoberman]

Reformatting this to separate the pending bets and losing bets.

Pending bets:

E. Correa (CUB) +1000 Middleweight *2 units In Quarterfinals
K. Egan (IRE) +8000 Light Heavyweight In Quarterfinals
M. Boonjumnong (THA) +415 Light Welterweight In Semifinals
B. Sarsekbayev (KAZ) +1250 Welterweight In Semifinals
A. Tischenko (RUS) +170 Lightweight *3 units In Quarterfinals
O. Acosta (CUB) +325 Heavyweight In Semifinals
R. Alfonso (CUB) +2000 Super Heavyweight Lost First Round
I. Torriente (CUB) +1050 to win Featherweight Lost Quarterfinals


Losing bets:

E. Alvarez (COL) +4000 Light Heavyweight Lost Second Round
B. Georgiev (BUL) +1600 Light Welterweight Lost Second Round
N. Boonjumnong (THA) +1000 Welterweight Lost Second Round
A. Killici (TUR) +5000 Welterweight LOST First Round
S.G. Kim (PRK) +1600 Lightweight LOST First Round
W. Petchkoom (THA) +2000 Bantamweight Lost Quarterfinals
S. Vodapyanov (RUS) +210 Bantamweight *2 units Lost 2nd Round
R. Alfonso (CUB) +2000 Super Heavyweight Lost First Round
I. Torriente (CUB) +1050 to win Featherweight Lost Quarterfinals

 

[GreenDoberman]

This is interesting info, # of boxers going into the quarterfinals at all weight divisions by country. Courtesy of poster holeymoley99 at the boxrec forum.

Going into the Quarters

Cuba-9
China-6
Kaz-5
Russia-4
France-4
Thailand-4
Ukraine-3
Ireland-3
Mongolia-3
England-3
India-3
Italy-3
Algeria-3


It was supposed to be a down year for Cuban fighters and they have had a dominant performance as of the quarters.

 

[GreenDoberman]

I did not see the Vodyapanov fighter either but several who did told me it was a questionable decision. Very surprising to see him lose that early, espcecially to an Indian fighter who was not very highly ranked or regarded.

 

[GreenDoberman]

I don't know which is more impressive the fact that 8 out of 10 Cuban boxers are still alive or the fact that 2 out of the 4 that I bet on have been eliminated.hno:

 

[GreenDoberman]

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Pending bets:

E. Correa (CUB) +1000 Middleweight *2 units In Quarterfinals
K. Egan (IRE) +8000 Light Heavyweight In Quarterfinals
M. Boonjumnong (THA) +415 Light Welterweight In Semifinals
B. Sarsekbayev (KAZ) +1250 Welterweight In Semifinals
A. Tischenko (RUS) +170 Lightweight *3 units In Quarterfinals
O. Acosta (CUB) +325 Heavyweight In Semifinals

Losing bets:

E. Alvarez (COL) +4000 Light Heavyweight Lost Second Round
B. Georgiev (BUL) +1600 Light Welterweight Lost Second Round
N. Boonjumnong (THA) +1000 Welterweight Lost Second Round
A. Killici (TUR) +5000 Welterweight LOST First Round
S.G. Kim (PRK) +1600 Lightweight LOST First Round
W. Petchkoom (THA) +2000 Bantamweight Lost Quarterfinals
S. Vodapyanov (RUS) +210 Bantamweight *2 units Lost 2nd Round
R. Alfonso (CUB) +2000 Super Heavyweight Lost First Round
I. Torriente (CUB) +1050 to win Featherweight Lost Quarterfinals
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Corrected this as I screwed up cutting and pasting.

 

[GreenDoberman]

Three more weight classes reached the semifinal stages. On Wednesday, the last two classes will set their semifinal brackets.

For those that don't follow Olympic boxing, both fighters that lose in the semis get a bronze medal. There is no third-place fight. So making it to the semifinals guarantees you a medal.

In the light flyweights, big favorite Shiming Zou of China looked better with a convincing win. Cuba's Yampier Hernandez is headed for a finals showdown as he put up his third consecutive dominant performance.