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I said it didn't CHANGE the outcome. Him being benched didn't make the Patriots lose.

My words exactly.

Changing the outcome like he said to the reporter is what anyone in that position would have said.

So the day of and shortly before the game, the best cb has to sit out and you can say for certain it would not have changed the outcome? Brilliance
 

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Butler's formers teammate on the Patriots, Brandon Browner, took to Instagram to defend him, writing "he not the first to get caught with weed...curfew also meant we are not allowed to have guest especially women."

He also said the Patriots are a team with players who are given "second chances" -- but only for those who are "favorites" of Belichick.


"I ain't gonna say no names. Like every job, there's always favorites, you feel me, and lil' bro wasn't a favorite," he said.

He also slammed the decision on Sunday in another Instagram post, saying "A locker room was divided pre game, most yds ever given in up in a SB game, and your best defender over the past 3 seasons. Doesn’t get a snap. You where hurt/burnt where he was needed tonight.. #foolishpride."

"Players play and Coaches are supposed to Coach, Bill was out coached for not letting his players play."
 

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If I were a Patriots fan, I'd be pretty pissed at how this has been handled.

It isn't a shining moment for Belichick.
 
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So the day of and shortly before the game, the best cb has to sit out and you can say for certain it would not have changed the outcome? Brilliance

Yes. I'm not underestimating the Eagles offensive game plan that had the patriots not knowing what was coming. I'm not going to do that.

The superbowl is fate. 110% fate. Meaning one player who had played all year and that the Eagles were preparing to play against....wasn't going to change the final outcome. That's just silly.

Even if you give him a pic 6 they still would have lost lmao.

They couldn't stop the Eagles. One cornerback doesn't put pressure on Foles. And they didn't sack foles all game. Dude is hella accurate and Malcom Butler would of been picked apart just like the rest of them.

Patriots couldn't get to Foles. That's where the issue was. Plus there is NO defense for a perfect pass and a perfect catch....which was the case on a handful of plays for the Eagles.


Very brilliant.
 

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Obviously it isn’t far fetched to say something like that had a profound impact on the result in this situation.

575 total yards and 41 pts after something like that is not just a coincidence.

I think some guys here are giving Malcolm Butler more credit than he deserves. It's not like he's some lock down CB.
 
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You can only cover for a certain amount of seconds before someone gets open. So if you don't even sack the qb....barely hit him.....how can your corners even be effective? Patriots have two players I like on the D line. No healthy linebackers I like. Two above average safeties. Average cornerbacks.


Patriots healthy linebackers are a product of the system. Put them elsewhere and they probably get cut or are backups.
 

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He’s no prime Darrell Revis but he’s pretty good and much better than the special teamer that replaced him.

Then you add in that the players found out about it like 20 mins before kickoff and that is pretty big monkey wrench. Eric Rowe finding out his role has totally changed 20 mins before a big game like that.

The impact on player distraction can’t be measured and it isn’t like they’re gonna play again with Butler in a week so we can gauge the impact but given a B.B. team has never really been torched like that I think we can say there is a good chance it altered the results.
 
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I think some guys here are giving Malcolm Butler more credit than he deserves. It's not like he's some lock down CB.

Exactly. Dude jumps one route in a sb with the game on the line (more fate) and people think he's Butler Island. He can wrap up and make some plays for sure but 8 pt difference maker is just comical.
 

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If I were a Patriots fan, I'd be pretty pissed at how this has been handled.

It isn't a shining moment for Belichick.

Hard to have that strong of an opinion of how it was handled if you don’t know what happened. I tend to believe the most plausible scenario that he was gonna miss a quarter and then popped off hard at the coaches about it. If he told them to fuck off then it’s hard to see it be handled any other way.
 

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He’s no prime Darrell Revis but he’s pretty good and much better than the special teamer that replaced him.

Then you add in that the players found out about it like 20 mins before kickoff and that is pretty big monkey wrench. Eric Rowe finding out his role has totally changed 20 mins before a big game like that.

The impact on player distraction can’t be measured and it isn’t like they’re gonna play again with Butler in a week but given a B.B. team has never really been torched like that I think we can say there is a good chance it altered the results.

According to Bleacher Report, Butler is the #42 ranked CB in the league for whatever that means.
 

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Exactly. Dude jumps one route in a sb with the game on the line (more fate) and people think he's Butler Island. He can wrap up and make some plays for sure but 8 pt difference maker is just comical.

And had Wilson hit the WR between the numbers, Butler doesn't even make the play.
 

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According to Bleacher Report, Butler is the #42 ranked CB in the league for whatever that means.

Probably his PFF grade but that’s a little deceiving because the entire Pats secondary was absolutely awful the first 5 weeks of the season, worst in the league.

Last year he was a lot higher and this year he had improved after the awful start. No one is saying he’s Primetime but his playing and no distraction would’ve been worth something.
 
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He’s no prime Darrell Revis but he’s pretty good and much better than the special teamer that replaced him.

Then you add in that the players found out about it like 20 mins before kickoff and that is pretty big monkey wrench. Eric Rowe finding out his role has totally changed 20 mins before a big game like that.

The impact on player distraction can’t be measured and it isn’t like they’re gonna play again with Butler in a week so we can gauge the impact but given a B.B. team has never really been torched like that I think we can say there is a good chance it altered the results.

Altered the results of course. Maybe he makes a tackle vs algohor or doesn't let torrey catch that 1st down. Regardless Rowe had to be on somebody with all those 3wr set formations the Eagles were running. But outcome was remaining the same.

Malcom Butler didn't make brady fumble late though. Also didn't make him drop that easy catch. He didn't make goskoeski miss a 30 yard fg. What he did do apparently was piss off Belichick. Something you don't do if you want to play
 

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Have to defend Brady on that drop, it was a tough catch for someone who makes one catch a year (maybe).
Now a RB or WR, would make that catch 95/100, but he isn't used to catching a ball over the shoulder like that where his helmet is most likely obstructing his view a little.

They did run that against the Eagles two years ago for a big gainer. But the throw was right on the numbers and he was facing the throw.
 
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It's not like Butler was like some secret weapon who the Eagles were going to be caught off guard by. They expected him to play. And he would have gotten roasted like the rest of them. Any player who gets held out is going to say that they would have been the difference maker. Have you ever played sports?
 

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Altered the results of course. Maybe he makes a tackle vs algohor or doesn't let torrey catch that 1st down. Regardless Rowe had to be on somebody with all those 3wr set formations the Eagles were running. But outcome was remaining the same.

Malcom Butler didn't make brady fumble late though. Also didn't make him drop that easy catch. He didn't make goskoeski miss a 30 yard fg. What he did do apparently was piss off Belichick. Something you don't do if you want to play

Altered the result is all Im saying. Yes, I realize there are 5-10 other reasons they lost but when a game comes down to The slimmest of margins then something like that certainly can be said to have swung the game.

A lot of variables can be said to have swung games, but dude getting benched 30 mins before kickoff is a big outlier. Something you don’t see every day.
 

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Hard to have that strong of an opinion of how it was handled if you don’t know what happened. I tend to believe the most plausible scenario that he was gonna miss a quarter and then popped off hard at the coaches about it. If he told them to fuck off then it’s hard to see it be handled any other way.

Yeah, I see that. What I mean is, why not come out and say what happened? The players are mad, the fans are scratching their heads, and the media is looking for answers.
If you believe the you took the correct course of action, come out and describe what happened. Instead, the Defense Coordinator said it was about "packages" and Belichick said it was not a discipline issue.
 
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Have to defend Brady on that drop, it was a tough catch for someone who makes one catch a year (maybe).
Now a RB or WR, would make that catch 95/100, but he isn't used to catching a ball over the shoulder like that where his helmet is most likely obstructing his view a little.

They did run that against the Eagles two years ago for a big gainer. But the throw was right on the numbers and he was facing the throw.

No doubt. It was easy for anyone but a qb. If he was 10 years younger he probably catches it. His God like trainer not so God like.
 

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It's not like Butler was like some secret weapon who the Eagles were going to be caught off guard by. They expected him to play. And he would have gotten roasted like the rest of them. Any player who gets held out is going to say that they would have been the difference maker. Have you ever played sports?

Philli torched the best D two weeks ago. Butler wasn't making a difference.

This was a perfect storm of a hot team with a hot qb playing well coming into the biggest game and NE just didn't have "it" this year.
 

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