Malcolm Butler

[PatsFan1283]

Butler puts out a statement denying that he did anything wrong prior to the game.

I can't believe the Pats fans here aren't mad about this.

Two sides to every story. I can't imagine he did absolutely nothing to get suspended. And I doubt it stays a secret forever.

I'm not really the rah-rah emotionally invested fan type so I couldn't really get mad about the absence of an explanation to fans (although I did bet NE and I wouldn't have done so had I been privy to this information, so maybe BB owes me some $?)

Who I think BB owes a legitimate explanation to is the players. The guys who busted their ass for 7 months to get to the superbowl, did everything he asked and now go out there and findout 30 mins before the game that 1 of their main cogs isn't going to be in the lineup. Such a bold move means those guys deserve an explanation beyond "football decision"

If he truly sat him out for the game for some minor reason then that is obviously a chicken shit move. "Pride cometh before the fall" personified.

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

Butler was 48th this year in PFF rankings, 5th last year and 22nd the year before. I already provided context to why he was 48th (abysmal start for the entire NE secondary)

He's a way better player than Eric Rowe, anyone who follows football would tell you that. You're just reaching.

Bro we are only in the present. Eric Rowe in 2017 had a better year. To say Butler can go out and shut down the eagles WR's is just hilarious talk. You can't say (which everyone is doing) oh because he was the sb hero in sb 49, he would have been the difference here. That's just silly media talk.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Bro we are only in the present. Eric Rowe in 2017 had a better year. To say Butler can go out and shut down the eagles WR's is just hilarious talk. You can't say (which everyone is doing) oh because he was the sb hero in sb 49, he would have been the difference here. That's just silly media talk.

I think this conversation has been beat into the ground but you realize there is a massive, massive gulf between "shutdown" and "Make the pats D 5% more effective so they don't giveup 41pts and 575 total yards" right?

And no, Rowe didn't have a better year. He's covering inferior players than Butler on a weekly basis and I have no idea where you got that he was NE's "4th highest rated player" as his PFF grades are terrible and I watch most of the games and eye-test wise he just isn't much more than a 3rd corner.

 

[Cheddar]

Eric Rowe in 2017 had a better year.

Why would someone who had a better year only play 25% of the snaps?

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

I think this conversation has been beat into the ground but you realize there is a massive, massive gulf between "shutdown" and "Make the pats D 5% more effective so they don't giveup 41pts and 575 total yards" right?

And no, Rowe didn't have a better year. He's covering inferior players than Butler on a weekly basis and I have no idea where you got that he was NE's "4th highest rated player" as his PFF grades are terrible and I watch most of the games and eye-test wise he just isn't much more than a 3rd corner.

Going Into that game I heard on the radio yesterday he was #4 highest rated Patriot player going into that game. I am sure they had a source they were using, I didn't hear what it was.

Before the game I was saying I'd take Rowe over Butler this season. Of course it matters as far as matchups. But Butler has been getting beat all year. To think he is some savior is too funny. He won yall a ring on that play vs seattle. That game was fate. It had to end with a patriot win vs seattle. He was just the guy to do it he's nobody special. They don't have any corner who is shut down. He would have been beat like a drum against the best team in the league

 

[PatsFan1283]

Going Into that game I heard on the radio yesterday he was #4 highest rated Patriot player going into that game.

Before the game I was saying I'd take Rowe over Butler this season. Of course it matters as far as matchups. But Butler has been getting beat all year. To think he is some savior is too funny. He won yall a ring on that play vs seattle. That game was fate. It had to end with a patriot win vs seattle. He was just the guy to do it he's nobody special. They don't have any corner who is shut down. He would have been beat like a drum against the best team in the league

That game was 4 seasons ago when he was a backup. He's been the Pats #1 corner the last 3 years. Hence why he plays more than Eric Rowe (if you've got a link to show he is the Pats "4th highest rated player" then feel free to post it, but there isn't going to be any relevant data that backs that up. He doesn't even play full snaps)

You're argument is purely an emotional one.

"That game was fate"....Didn't you say it was fate and destiny the Cavs wouldn't make the finals last year and I told you the Curt Schilling line about those things being nothing more than strippers at the Saphire? If you're going to analyze sports, try doing it without thinking there is a higher power at work. It'll help give clarity.

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

Why would someone who had a better year only play 25% of the snaps?

You traded for a very solid good cb at the time in Gilmore who also looked like shit this year. Out of all of their corners, Rowe had the best year from what I saw this year.

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

That game was 4 seasons ago when he was a backup. He's been the Pats #1 corner the last 3 years. Hence why he plays more than Eric Rowe (if you've got a link to show he is the Pats "4th highest rated player" then feel free to post it, but there isn't going to be any relevant data that backs that up. He doesn't even play full snaps)

You're argument is purely an emotional one.

"That game was fate"....Didn't you say it was fate and destiny the Cavs wouldn't make the finals last year and I told you the Curt Schilling line about those things being nothing more than strippers at the Saphire? If you're going to analyze sports, try doing it without thinking there is a higher power at work. It'll help give clarity.

No no no. Fate in football waaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy different than any other sport. Wayyyyyyyy different. God's favorite sport. Soccer too

Football/soccer God's two favorite sports.

Lol those sports are way different than any others

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

That game was 4 seasons ago when he was a backup. He's been the Pats #1 corner the last 3 years. Hence why he plays more than Eric Rowe (if you've got a link to show he is the Pats "4th highest rated player" then feel free to post it, but there isn't going to be any relevant data that backs that up. He doesn't even play full snaps)

You're argument is purely an emotional one.

"That game was fate"....Didn't you say it was fate and destiny the Cavs wouldn't make the finals last year and I told you the Curt Schilling line about those things being nothing more than strippers at the Saphire? If you're going to analyze sports, try doing it without thinking there is a higher power at work. It'll help give clarity.

Only thing I am emotional about is knowing no matter what the patriots did they were going to lose. Eagles were the best team all year and it's disrespectful to not acknowledge and realize that one missing player wasn't going to change the result.

 

[Cheddar]

He did have 15 tackles and 1 pass defended all year. Those are solid numbers Where did you come up with that 4th highest rated player BS? On the team or just D?

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

He did have 15 tackles and 1 pass defended all year. Those are solid numbers Where did you come up with that 4th highest rated player BS? On the team or just D?

I heard highest rated Patriot player GOING into that superbowl. Meaning how shitty Butler and Gilmore played this year counts towards that.

Sometimes winning as a corner is not even having the ball thrown at you.

I saw gilmore get turned around like 3 times this year. Get completely embarrassed. Butler was a step behind this season. Is he normally their best cb? Yes but he wasn't this year. He's a good tackler, but he wasn't covering well.

Rowe had a bad game in the sb clearly. And if it's true they all didn't know until last minute then that's belichicks fault and you guys should be bitching about him

 

[Cheddar]

1. Brady
2. Gronk
3. ?
4. Rowe
Makes a ton of sense.

Hard to get a ball thrown at you when you are on the bench 75% of the time.

I'm not a Pats fan, more a fan of common sense

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

1. Brady
2. Gronk
3. ?
4. Rowe
Makes a ton of sense.

Hard to get a ball thrown at you when you are on the bench 75% of the time.

I'm not a Pats fan, more a fan of common sense

3rd cb played 25% of the time? Sounds unbelievable. He isn't in my top 4 players for them but for THIS year before the superbowl, I could argue him for #5 or #6 for sure.

Maybe the Belichick notice of benching Butler shook the corners. That's Belichick's fault.


Regardless, Eagles lost the current MVP at the time and still won the superbowl. To say Malcolm Butler was going to stop a backup QB from scoring 41 points and shitting all over them is funny to me. You think Belichick believes that? Hell no. He said in response to Butler saying he would have been the difference that, "I am sure a lot of players who didn't play believe they would have been the difference." Just straight clowned him. Lol. So many great players on defense have been hurt in the superbowl and they still won the game.... It is in the preparation where you win in the NFL. You know that Pats fans. Why do you think Butler was even a "star" in the first place? He studied that play vs Seattle in the film room so was READY for it. NOBODY on the Patriots were ready for the Eagles play calls in Superbowl 52....But for some reason Pats fans think Butler was going to be the only one ready. Oh.

I know most pats fans think no way in hell Belichick could ever give up 41 pts to a backup QB so they are in denial about this. It had to be something, there had to be a reason. The reason is called, the Eagles genius offensive coaching staff.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Wow, that's just a terrible post all around. Doesn't even need a response.

Just incoherent rambling.

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

Wow, that's just a terrible post all around. Doesn't even need a response.

Just incoherent rambling.

It's facts. Seattle ran a way more simpler offense. It was WAY easier to prepare for. This was great play calling.....I said before the superbowl the eagles do a great job of mixing up the plays and keeping you off balance. I know you are still in denial. Omg nooo way Belichick could give up 41 to a backup QB...I know I know. But there is nothing Butler or anyone that was healthy could have done to save the Patriots. Next year guys. At least you still got your boy back Mcdaniels.

 

[5teamparlay]

Good Luck today Malcom


When the 7-2 Patriots play the 4-4 Titans on Sunday, there will be a lot going on in the way of subplots.
The Patriots will be facing their Super Bowl XLIX hero, cornerback Malcolm Butler, who signed a $61 million free-agent contract ($30 million guaranteed) with Tennessee in the offseason.
They, too, will be facing Titans head coach Mike Vrabel, who was a three-time Super Bowl winner as a linebacker in New England.

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Butler has not lived up to his contract or his reputation as a shutdown corner so far this season. The 28-year-old has allowed an alarming seven TD receptions already — half the total number of touchdowns the Titans defense has allowed all season.
That number is the worst among NFL cornerbacks, according to Pro Football Focus. So, too, are the 39 catches and 618 passing yards he’s yielded.

 

[JustinCruise]

Hes been one of the worst corners in football this season.

 

[Willie99]

Interesting, will Butler play lights out today trying to prove the Patriots were wrong about him? Or will the Patriots use his tendencies against him?

Who dat? :wink:

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

Lmao. THIS guy was going to save the super bowl last year? Bahahahahahahahw

guess who is arguing in here and took another L

 

[PatsFan1283]

Someone actually said in this thread that Eric Rowe was 1 of the Pats best defensive players last year?

I don’t even remember that but that’s crazy.