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[h=1]White House Responds to Petition to Pardon Making a Murderer Subjects Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey[/h]
The White House responded to a petition to pardon Making a Murderer subjects Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey on Thursday.


"Since Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey are both state prisoners, the President cannot pardon them," the White House explained in its response. "A pardon in this case would need to be issued at the state level by the appropriate authorities."


The response continued: "While this case is out of the Administration's purview, President Obama is committed to restoring the sense of fairness at the heart of our justice system. That's why he has granted 184 commutations total – more than the last five presidents combined – and has issued 66 pardons over his time in office."


The petition, which was created on the White House website on Dec. 20, exceeded the 100,000 signatures needed for a White House response earlier this week.

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, who actually has the authority to pardon the pair instead of Obama, previously stated that he will not do so.


"Those who feel they have been wrongly convicted can seek to have their convictions overturned by a higher court," Walker's press secretary Laurel Patrick said in a statement on Tuesday.


The petition claimed that the "justice system embarrassingly failed both men, completely ruining their entire lives."


"There is clear evidence that the Manitowoc County sheriff's department used improper methods to convict both Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey.


"This is a black mark on the justice system as a whole, and should be recognized as such, while also giving these men the ability to live as normal a life as possible," concluded the petition.


Avery is currently serving life in prison without the possibility of parole, while Dassey is up for parole in 2048.
 
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This whole series is biased towards the defense. I watched the series, and found myself leaning towards their innocence, but after watching that youtube link from Akillies, the picture isn't so clear.
 

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I watched the whole thing for 10 hours straight and could not stop until completion. The most amazing and disturbing documentary I've ever seen. I'd bet my whole bankroll they are innocent. I'd make a regular straight wager at -110 that the cops were the murderers.
 

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I watched the whole thing for 10 hours straight and could not stop until completion. The most amazing and disturbing documentary I've ever seen. I'd bet my whole bankroll they are innocent. I'd make a regular straight wager at -110 that the cops were the murderers.

Possibility that she is still alive has to be considered. Yeah...about as "Far Out"...possibly....as one can go here but she loved to travel, was at her wits end with Ryan pestering/stalking her....she'd been to The Yard 5 or 6 times just since June which LE would have known...them monitoring SA's communications...movements....looking for a means of taking him down.

Theresa's Step-Brother/Cousin (cuz her Mom married Theresa's Dad's Brother after Theresa's dad died when she was 8 years old) spoke of her in the past tense....saying "grieve her loss" well before family members ever do such a thing...

....every other family member in the history of forever speaks of hope.....of finding a missing loved one...

...major slip of the tongue on his part...and it is said that there is a video interview that has him and Ryan "obviously looking to one another for what to say".....struggling to make their responses not contradict one another...

...plus the Halbach Family on the whole just never shows the amount of Emotion that would be expected....particularly during brutal courtroom testimony/declarations by Prosecution...Halbach Family members simply do not display the reactions that family members display in such circumstance.

"Wild" yeah but Manitowoc pays Theresa off to Vanish....go have the life that she wants, some bones are gathered from the Morgue....Steven Avery gets gone.


Its a possibility that has to be considered.


Wouldn't have to be a deep conspiracy....One or Two at "The Top" of Manitowoc County Governemt...who want to find a means of avoiding The Bankrupting of Manitowoc as result of The potential $36 Million Avery Settlement...Colburn, Lenk, Mike & Ryan really would be all the people required to be together on the plan, to have actual knowledge of it....rest of those thereafter, involved, could have just "went along"...with no knowledge whatsoever of her not really having been murdered.
 

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The documentary just highlights how you can be put in jail FOR LIFE WITH NO PAROLE when there is mountains of REASONABLE DOUBT. The prosecution bears the burden of proof to put someone away who remains innocent until proven guilty. That is how it should work but obviously didn't in this and hundreds of other trials per year.
 

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Deliberations shouldn't have even taken very long. State claims Forrest Gump with no motive killed a girl Jeffrey Dahmer style, then miraculously washes every DNA speck out of his house and garage but left the car right around the corner with his blood in it. Cops had motive for framing and maybe even the murder itself. They get caught on tape seeing the car days before they "find" it. Cops beyond any doubt planted the car, lied under oath a multitude of times, so it's more than plausible they planted the blood.

State's argument makes no logical sense and can be ignored.
 

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If this is true....its interesting....to say the least....

So hard to know whats true though and what is actually just attention whores and/or mentally ill folks posting online....

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Buting also questioned the source of Avery's DNA on the hood latch of Halbach's Toyota. Culhane said the sample swab was discolored, but it was not clear if the sample contained blood or some other DNA source.
Buting asked if it was possible that it was blood on the swab.
"A very trace amount, yes," Culhane said. "The entire swab was a very low amount of DNA and that's why I didn't test if for presumptive (blood test) because I didn't want to waste the sample on a presumptive test."
Buting's cross-examination continued to work the angle that Avery's DNA was planted. He asked if the DNA found on the Toyota key recovered in Avery's bedroom could have been rubbed with another item, allowing the transfer of DNA. Buting's questions suggested a toothbrush or a swab used to collect a DNA standard.
"In my experience, toothbrushes are not a real good source of DNA," Culhane said, but added that a transfer might be possible. "It's very difficult to get a profile from a toothbrush."
"There are many ways, in fact, many personal items someone might rub on against a key that might also shed a deposit, a low amount of DNA, like such as what you found on this key?" Buting pressed.
"Yes, it's possible ..." Culhane said.
Buting cut off her response and followed with: "You cannot tell whether the DNA that was found on that key was planted there by somebody or not, can you?"
"No," Culhane said.
"Indeed, if someone did plant that DNA on that key you found in your tests, it would look much like what you found?" Buting added.
"Yes," Culhane said.
Buting also emphasized that Culhane did not find Halbach's DNA on a key she reportedly used daily. It was the first in a litany of places Halbach's DNA was not found and became issues in Buting's cross-examination.
Halbach's DNA was not present on handcuffs, leg irons, headboard and carpeting from Avery's bedroom, Culhane said.
 

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So Avery's dna was on the victim's keys, but the victim's dna was not...
 

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So the crime lab investigator was examining Steven's Pontiac Grand-Am, and then immediately went over to Teresa's RAV4 to inspect the hood latch.
He did not change his gloves.
The defense made the argument that there was potential for contamination.

its a confederacy of dunces
 

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Buting also questioned the source of Avery's DNA on the hood latch of Halbach's Toyota. Culhane said the sample swab was discolored, but it was not clear if the sample contained blood or some other DNA source.
Buting asked if it was possible that it was blood on the swab.
"A very trace amount, yes," Culhane said. "The entire swab was a very low amount of DNA and that's why I didn't test if for presumptive (blood test) because I didn't want to waste the sample on a presumptive test."
Buting's cross-examination continued to work the angle that Avery's DNA was planted. He asked if the DNA found on the Toyota key recovered in Avery's bedroom could have been rubbed with another item, allowing the transfer of DNA. Buting's questions suggested a toothbrush or a swab used to collect a DNA standard.
"In my experience, toothbrushes are not a real good source of DNA," Culhane said, but added that a transfer might be possible. "It's very difficult to get a profile from a toothbrush."
"There are many ways, in fact, many personal items someone might rub on against a key that might also shed a deposit, a low amount of DNA, like such as what you found on this key?" Buting pressed.
"Yes, it's possible ..." Culhane said.
Buting cut off her response and followed with: "You cannot tell whether the DNA that was found on that key was planted there by somebody or not, can you?"
"No," Culhane said.
"Indeed, if someone did plant that DNA on that key you found in your tests, it would look much like what you found?" Buting added.
"Yes," Culhane said.
Buting also emphasized that Culhane did not find Halbach's DNA on a key she reportedly used daily. It was the first in a litany of places Halbach's DNA was not found and became issues in Buting's cross-examination.
Halbach's DNA was not present on handcuffs, leg irons, headboard and carpeting from Avery's bedroom, Culhane said.

Excellent Find 919.

If some TV Station would just replay the whole effin' trial they'd get massive ratings and we'd get the ability to know how bad a miscarriage of Justice this was.

Talk has begun of a 2nd man...entirely different case but also in Manitowoc County....jailed for Murder.....17 years....heading to a Federal Hearing as result of an Innocence Project's work...

...I don't know if thats true.....doesn't strike me as authentic immediately but this female "Leslie" claiming to be the falslely accused man's daughter...
...is sounding pretty convincing thus far...

.....as far as I know anyways..
 

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