Dispute with WSEX

FatFrank · Aug 24, 2003

I've given this a lot of thought...

If WSEX have taken multiple online wagers on the same soccer game from Revere14 before *and* when combined the multiple wagers were greater than their implied (not written) max limit of 500.00 then WSEX needs to pay Revere14 the full amount of ALL of his wagers.

mrFloppy · Aug 24, 2003

WSEX should pay the full amount of winnings for the bets. They have no excuse to not do so!

drunkguy · Aug 24, 2003

Here's a good analogy:

If I go to Walmart, and they **** up and set the price of a new Sony 5-disk DVD player at $25. And if I get out of the store with this DVD player paid for with a receipt...

Can Wal-Mart call me up and say they want it back because they screwed up on the price?

When something is offered for sale (in this case a bet), once the transaction is done, IT IS DONE. There is no going back. It is an agrreement between two parties which must be honored.

The receipt in this case is the betting ticket, which was still valid as of the time the game went off...

Sure, if I go back and buy 30 DVD players, I am being a jackass (as Revere did in this situation), but I still bought something at the price which was offered!

PO69 · Aug 24, 2003

Well not the full amount since the player OBVIOUSLY knew that the liens should have changed since he has admitted that in the past the lines would change. He wants $47,000,

MY JUDGEMENT IS FOR THE PLAINTIFF IN THE AMOUNT OF $34,500, with reasons explained in the above post

He does not deserve all of it since he KNOWS that the line should have changed and I think that he will agree that this amount will be fine by him!

drunkguy · Aug 24, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by playersonly69:
Well not the full amount since the player OBVIOUSLY knew that the liens should have changed since he has admitted that in the past the lines would change. He wants $47,000,

_MY JUDGEMENT IS FOR THE PLAINTIFF IN THE AMOUNT OF $34,500, with reasons explained in the above post_

He does not deserve all of it since he KNOWS that the line should have changed and I think that he will agree that this amount will be fine by him!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

JUDGE WAPNER, YOUR DECISION STANDS!

FatFrank · Aug 24, 2003

>since he KNOWS that the line should have changed

Not the player's responsibility! It's not like he made 3 bets in 5 mins... His bets took hrs to make. Hypothetically, WSEX could have been getting heavy action the other way over the hrs it took.

PO69 · Aug 24, 2003

OH yes, I forgot to include court cost!!! I am billing court cost in the amount of $500 for my billable 1/2 hour reading this thread to WSEX as well!!

drunkguy · Aug 24, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by playersonly69:
OH yes, I forgot to include court cost!!! I am billing court cost in the amount of $500 for my billable 1/2 hour reading this thread to WSEX as well!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bill it to the RX...

PatrickMcIrish · Aug 24, 2003

LOL!! BTW I'm not defending the book as much as I think both parties knew better and should take responsibility for their actions. Neither should benefit from what they did, sends a bad message I think.

Anyway lots of good points were made on the other side I have to admit, glad it isn't my final decision. LOL.

docdekay · Aug 24, 2003

Nutters
Its unfortunate I couldnt make it. You were one of the few I wanted to share a drink with. Next time. For sure..

UncleButternutts · Aug 24, 2003

Doc, i will be in NY next year sometime i know..
Regardless of the Rx., i will be in touch.

Will be in Chicago in December, i guess i should see what Rxers are in the area.. Maybe make up a bit for what i missed in Vegas..

I wish someone had a pic of the FatFrank/Butternutts hug... That would be priceless.

docdekay · Aug 24, 2003

Alright
you better let me know when. You have my email. Rail left me hanging tonight, you better make it up to me.

PatrickMcIrish · Aug 24, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by docdekay:
Everyone defending the book is doing one thing - rationalizing. You book the wager, you pay the ticket it or collect it. Gray my ass. This situation is black and white. Intent means SHIT. The law does not judge by intent. If you dont think its wrong to rape and still do so in civilized society you are guilty of rape. Ignorance of laws/rules is irrelevant. Pay the fu(king guy and learn a lesson. This shit makes me sick.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I missed this the first time, what about this makes you sick Doc? LOL. What WSEX has done or that some have different opinions from yours?

About intent we will have to disagree, it is certainly a big factor in law from what I know. Intent has nothing to do with your example of rape though. Ignorance of the law has nothing to do with intent? You are correct if you rape someone then you raped someone, you lost me on how that ties into intent. Ignorance and intent are not the same things. However if you slap someone in the face and he falls and hits his head on the table and dies, the intent will be the overwhelming factor to decide the severity of your case. There's a million other examples as well where intent plays a role in the courtroom.

In this specific case intent matters to me because I would have more sympathy for the player if he did not understand he was doing something wrong. If a player was betting more than once the limit bet but he really did not know he was not suppossed to I would feel for him more than someone who knew better. Guys who make honest mistakes are different from people who know better but are knowingly trying to circumvent rules. At least it is easier for me to push harder for players who have made honest mistakes rather than calculated moves. Anyway hope this makes sense. As I said this is just my opinion, good one's on the other side as well.

valdosta · Aug 24, 2003

This is a toughie because the player KNEW he was doing wrong but it's the books fault this was able to happen. They should be more carefull and have better software. Beats the hell out of me what should happen.

docdekay · Aug 24, 2003

Patty
I am going to sleep and there is no way I can coherently defend my POV in the state I am in. Tomorrow is another day. Books do not have free reign in regards to if and how they interpret their own rules. Do I think this guy took a shot? Yea, maybe. But what that has to do with posted rules is beyond me. You must learn to separate intent from a pre-determined, SELF IMPOSED structure. Driving through red lights because you're color blind does not absolve you of guilt. You'll never see it my way and I dont expect you to, but if he doesnt see his money, he was fu(ked. This is bullshit and you know it.

TTinCO · Aug 24, 2003

I agree Val...especially when you throw in the bogus email address & phone #-but they have a timestamped "reject" message if his email was bogus.

That might just be their savior-at least to an extent.

docdekay · Aug 24, 2003

Last thing..
I didnt mean to come across as a prick, but what irks me is the element of risk. This guy played a number which was by no means a bad one. If he wagered more than usual, he was risking more than usual as well. It works both ways. This guy is no angel, but rules are rules. If you cant abide by them, then there's nothing.

UncleButternutts · Aug 24, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> It works both ways. This guy is no angel, but rules are rules. If you cant abide by them, then there's nothing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahhh, now see Doc, thats where i get mixed up..

Was Revere "playing by the rules"?

Still in the dark on that one myself..I will wait till more comes out... And i am sure more is comming soon.

Talk with you soon buddy, have a good one.

BEANTOWNJIM · Aug 24, 2003

MCIRISH YOU KEEP USING MY CASE AS AN EXAMPLE WICH IS KILLING YOU IN TRYING TO DEFEND WSEX.AS UNCLE LENNY AND CASCADE SAID TO ME AND I QUOTE (WE DONT CANCEL WAGERS WE LIVE WITH OUR MISTAKES REMEMBER MCPUPPET AND YOU AGREED THAT LENNY WOULD HAVE PAID ME IF MY BET HAD WON) SO I SEE THIS CASE THE SAME WAY WSEX SHOULD LIVE WITH THERE MISTAKES AND PAY FOR THEM.THIS IS A NO BRAINER ITS SO MUCH LIKE MY CASE MCPUPPET STEVE AND HIS CREW TOOK A SHOT AT REVERE THEY ALL SAT AROUND THE OFFICE WAITING FOR THIS GAME TO LOSE LIKE LENNY DID WITH MY BET ONLY THIS TIME THE GAMBLER WON.

SteveMcCroskey · Aug 24, 2003

What year is this? How long has wsex been online? Do their rules clearly state a maximum limit for the sport of soccer? It is my opinion that wsex owes this man for this wager. This should serve as a wake up call that wsex needs to update its software and improve their overnight support or completely close up shop after the last west coast game.