Christian homosexuals?

[fletchisrhsm]

the religion itself isn't the root of the problem

the institutionalization and humans molding the passages for their gain or to control people's lives is the problem....

Wrong. The religions are the problem. Its the faith that breeds the goodness. Religion for the most part is a tool. You dont have to be in a religion to be say a Christian i assume. I mean because at the end of the day, your not going to be judged by your fellowship or your deeds but instead your persona relationship with your deity. Or at least this is what i have thought over the years, again im no Christian (or any other belief) and think Jesus was just a great philosopher, nothing more nothing less, so take it FWIW.

 

[tiznow]

GZA was the last guy (along with the rest of the Wu) to actually have something important to say in Rap. Wu Tang was probably the greatest rap group of all time, anymore this shit is just that....shit.

yeah other than wu tang and beastie boys most rap garbage since the 90s on

but you can say that about music in general....

plenty of good old school hip hop

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[fletchisrhsm]

yeah other than wu tang and beastie boys most rap garbage since the 90s on

but you can say that about music in general....

plenty of good old school hip hop

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True on both accounts. Also, Attila raises a good point with bones thugs, Deff a classic as well.

 

[tiznow]

Wrong. The religions are the problem. Its the faith that breeds the goodness. Religion for the most part is a tool. You dont have to be in a religion to be say a Christian i assume. I mean because at the end of the day, your not going to be judged by your fellowship or your deeds but instead your persona relationship with your deity. Or at least this is what i have thought over the years, again im no Christian (or any other belief) and think Jesus was just a great philosopher, nothing more nothing less, so take it FWIW.

no its human's weakness that they think they need to be part of a larger movement that they need this religion to be the end all for their life

religion is used for alot of good

in the past before the major institutionalization of religion

churches were our welfare system in this country

and there are still plenty of small churches today that do alot of good for the community and uphold the loving jesus of the scriptures but they are becoming less and less today

these megachuches that advertise on TV today make me wanna fucking puke

also religion is a good tool on a personal level for people going through hard times maybe they got laid off, or divorced, or in a bad car accident and life just isn't so hot today they can fall back on religion to give them that boost of energy to keep plugging forward, live a good life, and get through the hard times they are dealing with

whether you like it or not people religion will always be a big part of overall mankind as people are always in search of answers to life and such....

and denegrating those that believe will be of no good and tends to make people cling to their religion even tighter and have a less open mind helping create the institutionalization that you and I both don't approve of...

freedom of religion was a very key clause to our constitution

our founding fathers were sharp cats....

 

[ScottL]

It's nice to see you have all come to a consensus since I last visited this thread

 

[fletchisrhsm]

It's nice to see you have all come to a consensus since I last visited this thread

Gangsta Rap... :cripwalk:

 

[ScottL]

Yeah, but what about the gangsta rappers who rap about their drug dealings and how many Ns they busted a cap in.....that are gay on the downlow?

 

[barman]

The Old Testament was the old law intended for the Jews. It's not to say that we can't learn something from it, however this particular thread is more geared towards the New Testament and Paul's teachings for the rest of the world.

Actually when I read the first post in this thread, I foolishly interpreted it to be a sincere inquiry from the thread creator about how others view the juxtaposition of homosexuals and Chrisitianity.

I can see now that perhaps it was just a setup for a personal declaration.

Could have saved a lot of time and bandwidth by just titling the topic

Homos Can't Be Christians In My Own Opinion

 

[barman]

Paul of course was likely the earliest person to begin twisting the gospels of Jesus Christ to satisfy his own personal belief system

And that twisting and distortion has continued down through the centuries.

 

[barman]

i just see jesus as a super crazy cool ass dude that looked at the old testament and religion in general and said this shit is wacked out so much hate and violence....we got people stoning each other to death....people getting strung up on crosses....i'm gonna send a new message....a loving unconditional love, forgiveness one like you say bardude.....

i'm with you on the message of jesus i just get hung up on the son of god part.....the old testament in general its a good message has good rules to follow (B.I.B.L.E. = basic instructions before leaving earth in tiz's book) the passages just filled with too much hate, violence, vengence etc.......

Far too many well-intentioned people (including some of our PoliticoPub members here) have allowed themselves to become quite distracted from the two core principles of Christ's gospels

1) Unconditional Love
2) Unconditional Forgiveness

I'm glad you can see that for many Christians, those two principles are a sufficient challenge upon which to found an entire lifetime.

Speaking for myself - until I feel I can master those two principles, I don't have much time to be passing judgement on homosexuals or anyone else.

 

[fletchisrhsm]

Speaking for myself - until I feel I can master those two principles, I don't have much time to be passing judgement on homosexuals or anyone else.

Well said.

 

[festeringZit]

Far too many well-intentioned people (including some of our PoliticoPub members here) have allowed themselves to become quite distracted from the two core principles of Christ's gospels

1) Unconditional Love
2) Unconditional Forgiveness

I'm glad you can see that for many Christians, those two principles are a sufficient challenge upon which to found an entire lifetime.

Speaking for myself - until I feel I can master those two principles, I don't have much time to be passing judgement on homosexuals or anyone else.

Actually what Barman says is completely false.

Jesus never preached unconditional forgiveness. His message was always
for people to turn from their wicked ways (repent), and follow him.

Even John the Baptist who paved the way for Jesus had the same message,
repent for the kingdom of God is at hand. He lost his head because he
told Herod that it was unlawful for him to have married his brother's wife.

Luke 5:32, Matthew 9:13 "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to REPENTANCE."

Luke 24:47 ...[Jesus said to them] that REPENTANCE and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.



Mark 1:15 ..."The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: REPENT ye, AND BELIEVE the gospel."



And they went out, and preached that men should repent. Mark 6:12

"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3,5).

 

[Kiln]

Actually what Barman says is completely false.

Jesus never preached unconditional forgiveness. His message was always
for people to turn from their wicked ways (repent), and follow him.

Even John the Baptist who paved the way for Jesus had the same message,
repent for the kingdom of God is at hand. He lost his head because he
told Herod that it was unlawful for him to have married his brother's wife.

Luke 5:32, Matthew 9:13 "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to REPENTANCE."

Luke 24:47 ...[Jesus said to them] that REPENTANCE and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.



Mark 1:15 ..."The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: REPENT ye, AND BELIEVE the gospel."



And they went out, and preached that men should repent. Mark 6:12

"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3,5).

You nutters could make a Klansman sound like a NACCP chapter president.

<table align="center"><tbody><tr valign="top"><td class="source">Genesis 32:30</td> <td class="quote">So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and my life was preserved.”</td></tr> <tr valign="top"> <td class="source">Exodus 33:11</td> <td class="quote">The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks with his friend.</td></tr> <tr valign="top"> <td class="source">John 1:18</td> <td class="quote">No one has ever seen God.</td></tr></tbody></table>

 

[ATTILAtheBEAST]

Actually when I read the first post in this thread, I foolishly interpreted it to be a sincere inquiry from the thread creator about how others view the juxtaposition of homosexuals and Chrisitianity.

I can see now that perhaps it was just a setup for a personal declaration.

Could have saved a lot of time and bandwidth by just titling the topic

Homos Can't Be Christians In My Own Opinion

Actually I haven't even mentioned that in any of my posts. So don't put words in my mouth when your too lazy to read this threads content.:cripwalk:

 

[ATTILAtheBEAST]

Paul of course was likely the earliest person to begin twisting the gospels of Jesus Christ to satisfy his own personal belief system

And that twisting and distortion has continued down through the centuries.

?????? More new age thinking taught by the Unity Church I presume!:cripwalk:

 

[ATTILAtheBEAST]

<TABLE align=center><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD class=source>Genesis 32:30</TD><TD class=quote>So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and my life was preserved.”</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=source>Exodus 33:11</TD><TD class=quote>The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks with his friend.</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=source></TD><TD class=quote></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Jacob wrestled with a supernatural being, not God, in Genesis. He was refering to being a witness to God's power and mercy during this ordeal.

In Exodus if you would have just read a little farther into verses 18-21, Moses actually asks God if he can see him in all of his glory and the Lord replied, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see my face and live."

Kiln, you are obviously not a student of scripture so why do you continue putting your ignorance on display like this?

 

[ScottL]

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[Sigh]

 

[barman]

heh...sorry Scotty...we're busy trying to decide if Jesus Christ was gay or straight

That's an important World Event since the former would just absolutely bust the bubble of the more phobic fundies

 

[barman]

And of course Christ taught Unconditional Forgiveness...the ol' seventy times seven counsel was just a starting point

When we learn how to unconditionally love and to unconditionally forgive, we become one with Christ

Try it...You'll Like It

 

[ScottL]

Are you trying to convert me or get me to join the Moonies?



[sorry, I did that for FZ][lol]