hell on wheels,,one more thing i thought of,,everything is relative,,if you look at viejos posts,he probably pushes himself harder than i do(trainer) but i am probably spending more time goin at it than he is,it all boils down to the same thing,,energy in and energy out,,im sure that viejo has a lot to share with you that he has learned from his trainer,,it sounds like to me that hes got a pretty good routine goin,,370 to 290 = he has worked his ass off im sure,,it aint easy but its doable if you have had enough of bein obese,,,ps when i lose 22 more lbs i wont be "obese"any more,,just a regular old fatass,,hehehe,,,hell on wheels hang in there til your ass falls off,,(a term i learned in alcoholics annonymous)