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Trent...ive noticed that the lines on the totals that you play move anywhere from 1-5 points...at what point would you say the play looses value?

i've played one total already that has moved 3 pts but i still feel it has value... reason is that it was set about 7-8 pts above what i thought it would/should... the other reason is that it is still above a key number.

the other total has moved 1.5 pts, but it is on a key number so i would still play it but probably not if it moved much more... also, it was a statistical model play that was about 7 pts above my line but i'm not as keyed into those two teams as the other play so i'm a little tighter with the movement

kentucky/louisville i got at 66 and played all the way down to 58.5... there was still plenty of value left but i had put enough on it at that point... still, i would have recommended it to anyone that asked even though i wasn't playing it anymore

rutgers last week i played at the opener of 43.5 and 44...if it opened at it's closing 48/48.5 it wouldn't have stood out to me as much and i wouldn't have played it even though it went over that number as well

so for rutgers i was merely playing the "value" where with kentucky/louisville i was playing the game more than the line as i thought it would be low-scoring

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Trent...I'm also looking at Arizona here. I haven't looked at the game in depth. But I do know that UCLA has NO rushing game. If there's two teams that Arizona can beat in the PAC-10 right now it's WSU and UCLA...Good luck
 

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i've played one total already that has moved 3 pts but i still feel it has value... reason is that it was set about 7-8 pts above what i thought it would/should... the other reason is that it is still above a key number.

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You mention "key number" several times throughout your thread. Could you explain this in more detail and what are these key numbers?

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You mention "key number" several times throughout your thread. Could you explain this in more detail and what are these key numbers?

Thank you.

everyone knows key numbers w/ the spread: 3, 7, 10, 4, etc...

what about w/ totals..?? i'll let you do this exercise yourself... think of the most common scores of games and you will see which combinations total to what number most frequently... for instance, 20-20 is a tie game so that wouldn't total to 40 bc they would have to keep playing... how often does a 21-19 final occur..?? and so on. so 40 is obviously not a key number, and 39 even less...

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Trent,

What do you think of Miss St +8.5?

To me GT should be a 5-7 point favorite tops...

initially i was liking gtech but less and less now (also wanted 7 and not higher)

to me gtech will either fumble their way to a close game or will win 24-3 and all those miss st backers taking the points will feel suckered after the game... no play for me

but i will say that it must take a lot of courage to play miss st at this point... but sometimes that's all you need to succeed in this game

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everyone knows key numbers w/ the spread: 3, 7, 10, 4, etc...

what about w/ totals..?? i'll let you do this exercise yourself... think of the most common scores of games and you will see which combinations total to what number most frequently... for instance, 20-20 is a tie game so that wouldn't total to 40 bc they would have to keep playing... how often does a 21-19 final occur..?? and so on. so 40 is obviously not a key number, and 39 even less...

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OK Trent, so you're talking something like 41 (21-20, 24-17), 45 (24-21, 28-17, 31-14), 49 (28-21, 35-14), 52 (28-24, 31-21, 35-17), 55 (28-27, 31-24, 34-21), etc as key numbers. When a number crosses a key number, either up or down, how much more or less attractive does this make the play? For example I see you like the AZ/UCLA game UNDER 56/55. The number is now 54.5 at Bookmaker which has crossed the key number 55. Is this game now a no play, a 2 star as opposed to a 3 star?

Thanks for your insight.
 

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3* w va o56/56.5
2* wake forest u51.5/48.5

couldn't get everything in on the opener of WF... went out and later that night it's dropped 3 pts..!! if you can't get 48 lower to 1*

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OK Trent, so you're talking something like 41 (21-20, 24-17), 45 (24-21, 28-17, 31-14), 49 (28-21, 35-14), 52 (28-24, 31-21, 35-17), 55 (28-27, 31-24, 34-21), etc as key numbers. When a number crosses a key number, either up or down, how much more or less attractive does this make the play? For example I see you like the AZ/UCLA game UNDER 56/55. The number is now 54.5 at Bookmaker which has crossed the key number 55. Is this game now a no play, a 2 star as opposed to a 3 star?


Thanks for your insight.

i have this game @ 49 so it still is good at 54.5 but 55 is a strong number so you could lower it... if you know a lot about these teams though you might think it's still a strong play though... i'm not as well versed w/ these two but with ucla poor offense and a projected line of 49 for me it still has some value at the number but 55 is a strong number

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Trent I was with you on Maryland, even on the money line for a bit. Great call with that game.

Can you post a summary of your games played so far? I see a few but you mention some totals you haven't posted yet. Just want to see all of what you're on in one place. Thanks.
 

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Trent I was with you on Maryland, even on the money line for a bit. Great call with that game.

Can you post a summary of your games played so far? I see a few but you mention some totals you haven't posted yet. Just want to see all of what you're on in one place. Thanks.

the two totals were ucla u56.5 which i posted and wake forest u51.5/48.5... just couldn't post them when i originally took them bc i needed more

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1.5* ohio +11
.5* ohio +385 .5*/1.9*

this is a statistical analysist's dream... looking at ohio they have outgained their opponents on the year yet are 0-3.

game 1 out in wyoming a tough place to play a season opener they lost 21-20 as a DD dog even though they outgained wyoming. 1st and 10 from the wyoming 35 with under 5 minutes to play they get intercepted and don't get another chance...

game 2 they are only outgained by 18 yds by ohio st but a -4 TO margin along w/ a 69yd punt return td helped ohio st pull off the 12 pt victory as a 34 pt fav

game 3 ohio piles up over 500 yds offense and again outgains their opponent by 75 yds but again are -2 TO margin on 2 fumbles and loses by 3

turnovers, especially fumbles, are extremely hard to predict and are considered random to a certain extent. whether on offense or defense, when a ball falls on the ground, a bounce one way or the other can determine the fate of a game... a lucky bounce on offense and you retain possesion; a lucky one one defense creates a turnover. to a certain extent good teams will win the TO battle, but it's unlikely to see a team lose the TO battle every game... at this point, if ohio finishes even in TO margin for a game that is a positive based on past circumstances.

But if a team consistently outgains its oppenent in yardage, over the course of the year, it will eventually start to win games as it's considered a true barometer of a team's production. ever notice in college and nfl stats the offensive and defensive rankings are based on yardage and not points..?? there's a reason for this as a 12 yd td drive set up by a TO doesn't give as good an indication of a team's offensive productivity as a 70 yd drive that ends in a 27 yd fg. over the course of the season a team will "trend to the mean" and ydg will result in points.

Now northwestern might have had the easiest schedule so far in the country: home opener vs syracuse, @ duke, then home to so illinois (1-AA..??)... yet a closer look shows a scoreless first half to syracuse (orange gave up 42 points at home to akron!!) and only one TD in their first half vs so illinois. At duke they were outgained by 150 yds but didn't turn the ball over and won a close game that duke had a chance to win by kicking fgs in 4th qtr and elected not to which came back to haunt them

if you look at the national statistical rankings you'll see that ohio and northwestern are eerily close in many major categories... ohio is actually ahead of duke in ypa, while offensive and defensive ypp northwestern has the slimmest of edges... but a closer look reveals an advantage to ohio: ohio has performed practically the same statistically as northwestern, but against much stronger competition!!

ohio's toughest opponent was oh st, while NW was duke=advantage ohio.
ohio's easiest opponent was @ wyoming, while NW was home to so ill=adv ohio
ohio vs c mich compared to nw vs syracuse=adv ohio.

in other words, would rushing for 150 vs LSU who only gives up say 60 yds rushing/game be the same as rushing for 150 vs FAU who might be giving up 180yds rush/game..?? obviously not... so based on an expected value model ohio is actually statistically better than Northwestern..!! factor in TO differential which ohio is one of the worst in the NCAA but over the course of the season usually trends to the mean and ohio, on paper, is actually a better team than northwestern..!!

now i know that stats can be used in lots of ways to support any such claims, but i have no bias here; i am neither a fan of ohio or northwestern... i'm just looking objectively at this matchup and noticing certain circumstances that might describe this in a little more detail than an 0-3 team vs a 3-0 team.

throw in the fact that northwestern was a 2pt conversion away from a home upset in 2005 to N ill, lost at home to new hampshire in 2006, and were upset last yr at home by a duke team which didn't win another game all year and i think i might have found a live dog at almost 4-1

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2* bc u41

2 teams ranked under 100 in ypp and 2 new starters @ qb against good experienced defenses have to each score 20 or if not one must score close to 30 for this to go over the total

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last week 6-3 on spreads
0-1 ML

these have been played already... some have moved, some haven't... might have another but waiting on line movement

5* ok st -16.5
(and no, this has nothing to do with "revenge", which is the most over-rated aspect of handicapping)

2* maryland +12
2* illinois +14.5
2* miami -7
2* wisky/mich u44/u42
2* fsu u41.5
1* nebraska -6.5

3* utep u53/52.5
2* utep +4.5

after facing 3yr starters willy, mccoy, and holbrook, utep finally gets to face 1st yr starter greco and ucf... expect both teams to run and a tight game where points will come in handy. i have no idea why ucf is favored here... could it be bc they took usf to ot..?? they were actually dominated in that game but a ko ret td and a silly int by grothe w/ 3 mins left made it seem much more competitive than it acutally was... home dog w/ similar talent level sounds good to me in 1st conference game for both

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From the El Paso Times



Injuries are the theme this week for the UTEP offense. Starting quarterback Trevor Vittatoe's status is doubtful due to a high ankle sprain. Running back Terrell Jackson (35 carries, 167 yds, TD) is also dealing with an ankle injury, although he is expected to play. Sophomore James Thomas II leads the team with 191 yards and two TDs on the ground. He has taken reps at both wideout and quarterback. After Vittatoe went down against NMSU, Thomas replaced an ineffective Kyle Wright under center, and guided the Miners to three scoring drives, including his own 44-yard touchdown scamper. Leading receiver Jeff Moturi (11 rec, 92 yds) is also probable, despite a bothersome hamstring. Even if Moturi is limited, the Miners do a good job of spreading the ball to different receivers. Head coach Mike Price has confidence that other players will step up.
 

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