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good to see you pez
i look forward to your picks as i have 2 pac 10 games as plays this week and possibly a third

obviously jumped @ 43.5 bc 44 and 45 are such strong numbers... 45 loses some value as your next strong # is 48 so unless there are 4 fgs in this game (47) you're losing 3 pts on that number

rutgers total vs fresno was around 58 and while they moved the ball miscues took points off the board... i think this total is based on rutgers only scoring 7 pts in this game but they gained enough yardage to score 24

unc not known for their defense and they have some speed and talent at the skill positions as well

good luck


Thanks Trent, I always look for your thoughts on totals (as well as the ACC & Big 10). I got down for a 1/2 unit on UNC/Rutgers OVER 44, but wanted to make it a full unit. Can only find 45's now. I do agree that the number is probably low because of Rutgers not capitalizing on their scoring opportunities last week.

Love Maryland this week, but I don't quite understand the line movement. Why would anyone wants to give 2+ TDs on a team traveling clear across the country w/ 7 new starters on offense (8 if LT Tepper is still out), a sophomore QB making only his 2nd road start and a decent, but nothing special, defense.

Still not sure about Oregon @ Purdue. If the spread hits 10 (I've seen a few 9's) I may consider the Boilers.
 

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Trent..This USC-OSU total seems a little low to me. I know everybody is expecting a smashmouth defensive game, but have you noticed how differently games have been played over the years between the PAC-10/Big 10 conferences depending on the venue. When games are played on the west coast the scoring seems to almost always go up. When games are played in the Big 10 stadiums it's seems to be more of a smashmouth defensive game. The only exception I can think of was Oregon last season going to Michigan. But last season was kind of strange year anyway. I know this is a weak argument. But basically this same OSU offense put up 24 points on LSU last season in their own backyard. And LSU had the best defense in the country. So it's not out of the question that OSU could do the same thing here. And USC QB Sanchez has enough bigtime talent to give USC some big plays in the pass game...I haven't decided yet if I even want to mess with this game. But the total looks a little inticing.

couple of things:
that was a 31-17 game w/ 2:30 left and instead of running out the clock miles calls for a swing pass to the rb who goes for 25 yds down to the oh st 6yd line... then throws a td 2 plays later. oh st comes down and scores a meaningless prevent defense td to make the final 38-24. and that's with beanie wells scoring on a 65 yd td run on the 4th play of the game. so between the 4th play and their last offensive play oh st scored 10 pts...

also, lsu had one of the best o-lines in the country if not the best and playing on turf definitely aided them and the lsu speed on offense... usc o-line is green and they've only played one game together and not even a full game as sanchez attempted only one pass in the 4th qtr and was pulled after the first drive

don't get off a play based on what i have to say, especially since i'm not playing this total.

but my two cents:
if you want to make $$$, there are better totals out there to play

good luck
 

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Thanks Trent, I always look for your thoughts on totals (as well as the ACC & Big 10). I got down for a 1/2 unit on UNC/Rutgers OVER 44, but wanted to make it a full unit. Can only find 45's now. I do agree that the number is probably low because of Rutgers not capitalizing on their scoring opportunities last week.

Love Maryland this week, but I don't quite understand the line movement. Why would anyone wants to give 2+ TDs on a team traveling clear across the country w/ 7 new starters on offense (8 if LT Tepper is still out), a sophomore QB making only his 2nd road start and a decent, but nothing special, defense.

Still not sure about Oregon @ Purdue. If the spread hits 10 (I've seen a few 9's) I may consider the Boilers.

this is the reason for the line movement:
everyone and their mother and their uncle is on cal this week..!! i mean, after all, they won 66-3 last week. and maryland lost by ten to a freakin' sun-belt team!!! only a fool like you and me would be crazy enough to play maryland (and maybe gosooners also, but he's not a fool...:lolBIG:)

i'm waiting as it might hit 17 but i'm on mary as well... i'm not sure if i can even do a write-up bc it would be at least 1200 words..!!

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Trent...I'm probably going to leave the OSU-USC total alone. As you know I don't play many totals. But when I do I like to be damn sure, and have a good idea which way I think the game is going to be played. Plus this is a marquee game with a double digit spread. And these kinds of games almost never go like you think they will. If it's anything like the Texas-OU rivalry has played out over the years, OSU hasn't opened up their offensive playbook yet, and have played very vanilla on defense leading up to this game. Also another thing is we don't really have much data on USC. Everybody is basically going by just one game that USC played against a depleted Virginia team. And Virginia just got by division 2 Richmond 16-0 the next week. So USC basically beat a team that was just one rung above a division two team in their first game. How many major powers could have done the same thing? If I do anything here, I'll put a beer down on the dog. I still think USC wins this game. But if this total stays below 45 I'm almost certain that OSU covers...Good luck

By the way would you do a writeup on Maryland so I don't have to....LOL
 

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only problem is with a noon start if i wait for the best possible # there might not be enough time to put 1200 words on a computer screen. maybe i'll just write in code...
 

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The Maryland spread just went down to 15 in my book. Here I was hoping for a 16 before I pulled the trigger. I hope Dr. Bob wasn't on Maryland. It'll ruin my whole week.
 

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The Maryland spread just went down to 15 in my book. Here I was hoping for a 16 before I pulled the trigger. I hope Dr. Bob wasn't on Maryland. It'll ruin my whole week.

i'm trying to figure who bob will be on this week... i know last week i scratched my head when i saw minn go up to +6 at bowling green but didn't want to put $$$ on them. the spread just didn't look right... bob got that right on the money. but remember he was on pitt week 1 so maybe he's just anti-BG...

he was on cal week 1 and i don't think anything has changed statistically (he's a big numbers guy) that would merit a play on maryland, but maybe even he realizes how crazy the spread is...

he was on a lot of big favs last yr... if he continues that trend we have a shot at him taking cal... but since last yr was his worst yr maybe he changes directions and starts playing more dogs this yr.

i'll be sure to be at my computer tmrw waiting to see if there are any moves that affect my games
 

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The Maryland spread just went down to 15 in my book. Here I was hoping for a 16 before I pulled the trigger. I hope Dr. Bob wasn't on Maryland. It'll ruin my whole week.

last week he had 3 home dogs on his strong opinion list (nevada road dog and under usf as well) so be on the lookout for maryland as a home dog
(his best bets were minny and UF so a dog and a fav)
 

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last week he had 3 home dogs on his strong opinion list (nevada road dog and under usf as well) so be on the lookout for maryland as a home dog
(his best bets were minny and UF so a dog and a fav)
The only reason I mentioned this was because a friend of mine uses a similar numbers system as Dr. Bob. And he's also on Maryland this week. I'm not sure when Dr. Bob releases his plays. It's either today or tomorrow.But this would still be a strong play for me at 15. I doubt we'll need those two extra points whichever way the game goes...It's just nice to have them.
 

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added 1* on rutgers o44

hard to post here with this site going down constantly..!!

5* oregon -7 -120
i know this line has moved but i would still take it at current lines... bad matchup on both sides of the ball for a lesser version of boilermakers (i have them under 7 wins)

2* wisky -1.5 possibly 3*
just listening to tv or reading boards you would think wisky is the small conference team... "badgers will be surprised by the physical nature of fresno" and "wisconsin will be shocked by the atmosphere at fresno stadium" is what i've been hearing... doesn't this team play at 2 of the largest stadiums in ncaa (penn st and mich) as well as at ohio st..?? and there are few, if any, teams in the country more physical than wisconsin. fresno is physical compared to the rest of the wac but wisky deals w/ that every week... fresno living off bowl win against gtech in disarray imo, was dominated 1st half vs rutgers (7 straight punts and over 200 yds given up by defense) but costly miscues by rutgers kept them in the game

2* g tech +7
bad defensive matchup for va tech vs running of gtech and gtech defensive front will make things difficult for vtech offense in disarray (one offensive td drive vs ecu and 3 pts at half last week at home vs furman)

good luck


Like WIscy a lot as well. THey have not performed well in OOC games as of late and defensive injuries a little concern but agree and feel they are the better team. If focused they should win. Good luck!
 

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this is the reason for the line movement:
everyone and their mother and their uncle is on cal this week..!! i mean, after all, they won 66-3 last week. and maryland lost by ten to a freakin' sun-belt team!!! only a fool like you and me would be crazy enough to play maryland (and maybe gosooners also, but he's not a fool...:lolBIG:)

i'm waiting as it might hit 17 but i'm on mary as well... i'm not sure if i can even do a write-up bc it would be at least 1200 words..!!

:toast:

HA! I can imagine 3/4 of the argument.

I'd be interested in getting your thoughts on some other games. UVA/UCONN and Iowa St/Iowa to name a few. Seems like a lot of points to be laying for teams that have and/or may continue to struggle on offense.

I am not sure if I still have your email, but if it is easier for you to exchange info via email, let me know and I'll see if I can find it.
 

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HA! I can imagine 3/4 of the argument.

I'd be interested in getting your thoughts on some other games. UVA/UCONN and Iowa St/Iowa to name a few. Seems like a lot of points to be laying for teams that have and/or may continue to struggle on offense.

I am not sure if I still have your email, but if it is easier for you to exchange info via email, let me know and I'll see if I can find it.

i had iowa last week -26 and they covered easily... they are definitely looking better offensively this yr than last. having said that, they certainly aren't as good as the last 2 games indicate. this will be the first game against a "real" opponent... definitely is a lot of points to lay

everyone is down on UVA and for good reason... but before the season started i circled this game and said that if i could get DD's i would probably take it... well it opened at 12.5 and has gone down so there is some $$$ on UVA. me, i couldn't pull the trigger even though it's in my pre-season notes as a possible play. i allocate a certain number of units each week and i feel i would rather have my $$$ elsewhere. but if i had to pick every game on the board i would take UVA here.

so far big east teams have been double-digit favs 3 times this season. they are 0-3 ATS... uconn is one of those teams that tops out offensively at around 24-27 points usually but normally falls around 17 so if you think uva can score 10 pts (why can't they- it's a td and a fg) then you'll probably end up covering

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HA! I can imagine 3/4 of the argument.

I'd be interested in getting your thoughts on some other games. UVA/UCONN and Iowa St/Iowa to name a few. Seems like a lot of points to be laying for teams that have and/or may continue to struggle on offense.

I am not sure if I still have your email, but if it is easier for you to exchange info via email, let me know and I'll see if I can find it.

i had iowa last week -26 and they covered easily... they are definitely looking better offensively this yr than last. having said that, they certainly aren't as good as the last 2 games indicate. this will be the first game against a "real" opponent... definitely is a lot of points to lay

everyone is down on UVA and for good reason... but before the season started i circled this game and said that if i could get DD's i would probably take it... well it opened at 12.5 and has gone down so there is some $$$ on UVA. me, i couldn't pull the trigger even though it's in my pre-season notes as a possible play. i allocate a certain number of units each week and i feel i would rather have my $$$ elsewhere. but if i had to pick every game on the board i would take UVA here.

so far big east teams have been double-digit favs 3 times this season. they are 0-3 ATS... uconn is one of those teams that tops out offensively at around 24-27 points usually but normally falls around 17 so if you think uva can score 10 pts (why can't they- it's a td and a fg) then you'll probably end up covering

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i had iowa last week -26 and they covered easily... they are definitely looking better offensively this yr than last. having said that, they certainly aren't as good as the last 2 games indicate. this will be the first game against a "real" opponent... definitely is a lot of points to lay

everyone is down on UVA and for good reason... but before the season started i circled this game and said that if i could get DD's i would probably take it... well it opened at 12.5 and has gone down so there is some $$$ on UVA. me, i couldn't pull the trigger even though it's in my pre-season notes as a possible play. i allocate a certain number of units each week and i feel i would rather have my $$$ elsewhere. but if i had to pick every game on the board i would take UVA here.

so far big east teams have been double-digit favs 3 times this season. they are 0-3 ATS... uconn is one of those teams that tops out offensively at around 24-27 points usually but normally falls around 17 so if you think uva can score 10 pts (why can't they- it's a td and a fg) then you'll probably end up covering

good luck

I definitely agree w/ your thoughts concerning UCONN's offense. I was unable to get the 12.5, but I do have UVA on my list, however I have not bet it yet.

A freind of mine sent me an email pointing out that the Big (L)east is 0-10 ats so far this season.

Any other totals you looking at right now? I am interested to see what the NC State/Clemson totals comes out at. Could be a good UNDER.

Thanks, pez
 

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Trent...About the Iowa game. I agree this is alot of points. And I haven't decided if I want to attempt to play it. I only favor Iowa slighly in this spot. It's mainly as a play against ISU more than a play for Iowa's offense. ISU has played two games and scored a total of 92 points. But their offense didn't even reach 400 yard total yards for either game against a division 2 team and MAC team. They've basically lived off turnovers (+10) the last two games. Iowa had alot of injuries in last years loss to ISU. And they're getting some of that senior leadership back this season. Not so with Iowa State. They lost most of their senior leadership this year (Meyer, Blythe etc.). Especially on offensive skill players. And I believe it will show in their first road game with an inexperiened QB. However, the one BIG thing that has kept me from playing this game is Iowa State's offensive line vs Iowa's defensive line. I actually think ISU is as at least as good or better there. So they could equal or surpass Iowa in the rushing game. This is a game I'm also seriously looking at the under. Chizik is a good defense coach. And he'll have a good gameplan for Iowa. ISU's offensive numbers will go down on the road. Two teams with a rotating QB system playing another BCS conference team for the first time.
 

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I definitely agree w/ your thoughts concerning UCONN's offense. I was unable to get the 12.5, but I do have UVA on my list, however I have not bet it yet.

A freind of mine sent me an email pointing out that the Big (L)east is 0-10 ats so far this season.

Any other totals you looking at right now? I am interested to see what the NC State/Clemson totals comes out at. Could be a good UNDER.

Thanks, pez

yes, and the acc is 3-6, while the sec is 10-5 and the b12 12-4!! p10 7-2 and b10 6-9.
the problem is that you need to be AHEAD of the curve, and not reactive. while that info is still useful, in a lot of ways that ship has probably sailed... b12 and big east will probably "trend to the mean", and we could see that friday night w/ usf vs. kansas...

you have a good eye pez bc nc st/clemson is on my list. i was watching cris as they put up totals and they had that at 44 but then took it down... i would like to get 45.5 bc if it ends up a blowout there could be some garbage pts late

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Trent...About the Iowa game. I agree this is alot of points. And I haven't decided if I want to attempt to play it. I only favor Iowa slighly in this spot. It's mainly as a play against ISU more than a play for Iowa's offense. ISU has played two games and scored a total of 92 points. But their offense didn't even reach 400 yard total yards for either game against a division 2 team and MAC team. They've basically lived off turnovers (+10) the last two games. Iowa had alot of injuries in last years loss to ISU. And they're getting some of that senior leadership back this season. Not so with Iowa State. They lost most of their senior leadership this year (Meyer, Blythe etc.). Especially on offensive skill players. And I believe it will show in their first road game with an inexperiened QB. However, the one BIG thing that has kept me from playing this game is Iowa State's offensive line vs Iowa's defensive line. I actually think ISU is as at least as good or better there. So they could equal or surpass Iowa in the rushing game. This is a game I'm also seriously looking at the under. Chizik is a good defense coach. And he'll have a good gameplan for Iowa. ISU's offensive numbers will go down on the road. Two teams with a rotating QB system playing another BCS conference team for the first time.

when that total came up i said to my buddy it was too high at 49... then it dropped to 47, but now it's back to 49. i just don't know enough about iowa st to play that game, but there aren't exactly "game-breakers" all over the field in that contest... it's not exactly missouri/illinois..!!
 

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3* maryland +14.5
1* maryland +600 6*/1* cris

this game is a cornucopia of handicapping philosophies... on so many levels i feel that this is the type of game that defines handicappers.

First off, there is absolutely no way you should be playing cal at this number... now that's not to say they won't cover; i can't tell the future. But if you were daring enough to lay -13.5 last week at wazzu a week after ok st was only laying -6/7, consider that the time you got away w/ laying heavy chalk on a road team. To think you can get away with that type of wagering two weeks in a row is not recommended, let alone having to now cross a key number in 14 against a better team than last week.

Let's look at maryland. Obviously, this team has not played to it's potential, as just 2 weeks ago some people thought they could be the sleeper team in the acc. Week 1 vs delaware they moved the ball, gaining over 400 yds offense, but their fg kicker missed 3x, and a fouth time in fg range friedgen decided to go for it on 4th and long as opposed to subjecting his kicker to a long fg. Maryland was also pinnned inside the 5 yd line twice by excellent punts so a 70 yd drive resulted in a long missed fg and a 40 yd drive resulted in a punt. By the 2nd half this game slowed to a crawl w/ both teams relying on the run: 80 rush attempts to only 44 pass attempts. After a qb change for game 2 the maryland offense drove inside the 35 3x in the 4th qtr but had nothing to show for it on the scoreboard-an int at the 2 yd line and an int in the EZ w/ 2 minutes to play.

Now cal has looked impressive in their first 2 games, but a closer look reveals some cracks... make no mistake, this team is talented, but you would be foolish to put them in the usc/oklahoma/uf/uga/mizz stratosphere. Week 1 their defense gave up over 400 yds at home, and while they stiffened in wk 2, only allowing 160 yds to wazzu, that excitement should be tempered knowing that the same wazzu offense only gained 190 yds against ok st the week before. No one will ever mistake the ok st def w/ the steel curtain, especially on the road!! Wazzu actually drove inside the 25 5x, only to come away with 3 pts, probably more an example of their own ineptitude than a stellar cal defense. offensively, cal scored on the 1st play of the game w/ an 80 yd td run, and then intercepted wazzu qb setting up a 14 yd td. tds on a blocked fg and a 90 yd int return, as well as another int giving cal the ball at the 25yd line, and another 86yd td run made this game a blowout more than consistent drives by the offense. In fact, cal went 3&out on 3 straight possesions in the 1st/2nd qtr!

There's more, such as the cal passing game not clicking yet, a young offense built on speed now playing their first game on grass, the noon kickoff, and the expected letdown for a team whose emotions were sky-high for opening day and it's first conference game last week to now playing its 3rd straight bcs team and b2b roadie.

But to me what really is the meat of this play is such: pre-season this matchup between 2 unranked opponents would have had the home team a slight fav, at worst pk. The personnel is the same as it was 2 weeks ago... one has underperformed, one has overachieved imo. how does that account for 17 pts on the spread..??

maryland season wins was 7 w/ the over favored
cal was 8 w/ the under favored.
basically the same total... there is a reason for that. personnel-wise, these 2 teams are not that far apart... yes, right now cal is playing better.

usc opened -18 vs uva opening week.
cal is -14.5 @ maryland.
maryland is no UVA.
Cal is no USC.
yet only one key # (17) stands between these 2 spreads.

oregon is -8 @ purdue. (i got it at -7)
oregon is better than cal imo (better defense and pass game)
purdue has a better qb than mary, but o-line and run game better for mary. both defenses avg.
so why would you want to lay 7pts more w/ the lesser team in cal than oregon??

i have over 200 posted cfb plays here at the rx in the past 2 years... you can search threads from 2006/2007. not once will you find a play on the ML. I just don't do it. But i had to make an exception here... +600 means mathematically that if this game, in this exact situation, were to be played 7x, cal would win 6x and maryland once. Maryland at home in practically a must-win situation coming off a loss. Cal coming in confident but young, for a game that means less to them than the first 2 they just played. 20 year old kids. And they are expected to step up to the challenge and win 6x out of 7. win or lose, that is a ridiculous price.

Iowa st on the road is cheaper ML than maryland at home.
Stanford on the road is cheaper ML than maryland at home. (but also might not be a bad play)
purdue, facing a tougher team at home in oregon, is half the price of maryland vs a weaker team in cal.

Look for maryland to run behind a big and experienced o-line against cal's new 3-4 defense, and ultimately set up the play-action to a group of experienced and speedy wrs.

Look for cal, facing adversity for the first time this yr, to show some of it's youth and inexperience as this game unfolds differently than expected.

Look for both of these teams to be 2-1 by the time this game is over.

good luck
 

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I like it Trent...Together we could write a book on this game. Now here's hoping we win the money for the carpal tunnel operation we're going to need from typing all of these words...Good luck:toast:
 

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