These games are fixed...& I'll tell you why..

[ClipJoint]

I skipped to the very last page without reading this crap...but I just wanted to ask this question:

How many of you that believe in fixes have ever played Division I or professional sports?

I am curious to know. My guess would be "0" for anyone who actually believes in wide spread fixing of sports.

 

[gynecologist]

I skipped to the very last page without reading this crap...but I just wanted to ask this question:

How many of you that believe in fixes have ever played Division I or professional sports?

I am curious to know. My guess would be "0" for anyone who actually believes in wide spread fixing of sports.

How about the refs? You don't think they might be for the take?

 

[ClipJoint]

How about the refs? You don't think they might be for the take?

Certainly they could be. But they are evaluated every game. If they do anything out of the ordinary, they wouldn't be officiating long.

 

[BarneyFife]

The league and owners have billions to lose if their games were found to be fixed, so I'm sure they are very careful. I'm sure its one of the reasons video replay was introduced.

 

[GasMan]

I skipped to the very last page without reading this crap...but I just wanted to ask this question:

How many of you that believe in fixes have ever played Division I or professional sports?

I am curious to know. My guess would be "0" for anyone who actually believes in wide spread fixing of sports.

Clip....I just happened to do both. DI hockey and minor league. IHL and ECHL for 5 years. Was a part of a NCAA tourney best of 3 series in college that had a team beat us in the NCAA quarters after we were 34-3 on the season. Lost 1-2 in a best of three series. We had at least 40 penalties in the 3 games, the Hockey East team had possibly 5. I mean, they had to escort the officials out of the arena who just so happened to be Hockey East officials. We also had two goals disallowed, one for a player in the crease who was about a foot away. No replay, no repurcussions. DOnt even know if anyone was betting on the games or if books carried it (was 13 years ago) but that is not the point. The point is that possibly the best DI college hockey team EVER lost to an average team because of the officials. By the way we were the least penalized team in the CCHA that year. I was there, played in the games and will tell you that these games are very easily fixed and happen every Saturday, SUnday, whatever. Small little calls that often mean NOTHING to the outcome of the game, but we are not playing vs the outcome. The spread is all that matters when it comes to this.

 

[BarneyFife]

I think this thread is valuable for bettors. The idea that games are fixed with the leagues knowledge and help, let alone the networks, is absurd.

That being said, the ideas expressed lead to a good contrarian look at all games. All good cappers look at these factors a great deal and whether you think the games are fixed, or that the line and even player's mental states are affected by public perception, is very valuable.

 

[GasMan]

Barney Fife..just watch ESPN pregame show and see who they are doing their big 2-3 segments on. Last week it was how Great Tiki was and how "Is rex Grossman overated?" It happens week after week. I have been following and using this edge for at least 4 years, with great success. Dont care how absurd anyone thinks it is, it is real. Do you think Irvin and Ditka cut those tapes themselves? They are handed to them by someone else and told these are the stories this week....hmm.

 

[mj23]

Barney Fife..just watch ESPN pregame show and see who they are doing their big 2-3 segments on. Last week it was how Great Tiki was and how "Is rex Grossman overated?" It happens week after week. I have been following and using this edge for at least 4 years, with great success. Dont care how absurd anyone thinks it is, it is real. Do you think Irvin and Ditka cut those tapes themselves? They are handed to them by someone else and told these are the stories this week....hmm.

Remember last week when they were selling the story on Air Macnair how he wanted revenge on the Tenn organization well he got the revenge but Not the Cover! And i guarantee you people bought into that and increased their bets on Baltimore.........NO DOUBT

 

[GasMan]

mj....exactly..Happens every week. The other story last week was on Damon Huard and how great he was playing, his QB rating, etc. How edwards was unsure if Green would get the start because KC was 3-1 with Huard....etc. The AirMcNair story was 2 weeks ago and 3 weeks ago it was Merriman from the Chargers when they lost to baltimore with some very questionable officiating. keep the faith, there are a lot of non beleivers. They are called John q Public.

It happens like this. you wake from a hangover and want to place a couple wagers. Naturally, you flip on Ditka,Irvin and crew to check out the matchups. Then you see Tiki Barber running for TDs, and how Grossman is not as good as people think, obviuos by his 4int game last week. I think Irvin even said, quote "And how could Grossman not see the 6'6" Jason taylor here? This kid is good, but not that good..." SO you start thinking, Yeah...NYGiants with Tiki at home! Gimme 500 on dem public Giants!

Simple as that. Beleive it or lose it...

 

[GasMan]

mj....exactly..Happens every week. The other story last week was on Damon Huard and how great he was playing, his QB rating, etc. How edwards was unsure if Green would get the start because KC was 3-1 with Huard....etc. The AirMcNair story was last week and 3 weeks ago it was Merriman from the Chargers when they lost to baltimore with some very questionable officiating. keep the faith, there are a lot of non beleivers. They are called John q Public.

It happens like this. you wake from a hangover and want to place a couple wagers. Naturally, you flip on Ditka,Irvin and crew to check out the matchups. Then you see Tiki Barber running for TDs, and how Grossman is not as good as people think, obviuos by his 4int game last week. I think Irvin even said, quote "And how could Grossman not see the 6'6" Jason taylor here? This kid is good, but not that good..." SO you start thinking, Yeah...NYGiants with Tiki at home! Gimme 500 on dem public Giants!

Simple as that. Beleive it or lose it...

Correction....the McNair story was last week also! Funny..just saw Jeff Fisher was fined 12,500 for complaining about the officials...

 

[mj23]

What will it be this week ......... After that incredible loss to San Diego do you think the season is just about over for Carson Palmer and the gang ? Michael Irvin ........Yea i think the way N Orleans is playing this team could go to the Super Bowl what do you think Ditka Bla bla bla So im thinking CINNCY is probably the bet but we have to see if thats the way it plays out but after last week this would be a good game to sell!!

 

[ClipJoint]

Clip....I just happened to do both. DI hockey and minor league. IHL and ECHL for 5 years.

I should have been more specific. I meant sports where there is volume wagering (football/basketball).

Congrats on the hockey career...but that wouldn't fit this criteria in my opinion. :toast:

It is well documented tennis/soccer/boxing/etc are much more likely to have fixes. I am talking about the major sports.

 

[gynecologist]

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What I do find hard to believe is not that Ben stunk, it's how he threw the pics, when and where. I saw the game, I'd bet that most who replied here did not watch the game.

If he was off, if all the synapses weren't firing, surely Cower would have seen that during practice and would have started Batch. It's just an observation, you guys need to chill. I thought this was America where people were free to speak their minds.
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These everything is fixed types will resort to all kind of tricks to support their theories.



wilheim.

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Didn't read all the posts but looks as though enough to write the chapters in a book. What I will add is that it wasn't until last year where this happy go lucky bettor started becoming sharper after watching the beloved NFL turn to the darksideor brightside depending on who you are. I know with my mortgage on the line that REFS HAVE A HUGE SAY IN THE OUTCOMES OF NFL GAMES. The picture of the pitt colors on the refs for SB XL made me fall over because thats when I personally changed my perception of the NFL and got me thinking more realisticly about the NFL. Infact the whole PITT run last year was littered with calls to keep the drives going. The biggest fixer rule in my opinion is the 5 yard automatix first down call refs can pull out the bag and call on a cb for illegal contact. Does anyone remember refs being pissed about their contracts and they where going to hold out last season. Well let's just say the refs retirement pension fund coffers are filled to the brim. BOL to all and don't look into this matter anymore than what it is. The fact is the nfl zebras=fixer uppers and not like collegiate ball where players=rigged game. Just my opinion. P.S. someone needs to check Ed Hockulee or however you spell it for HGH.

 

[GasMan]

Clip...I have had this argument many of time. I see you are very educated in betting and so on, so I respect your opinion. Once and for all what I am saying as the forces on ESPN are VERY swaying to the wagers of the weekend gambler. Im not talking about people like yourself who probably watch opening lines, moves, injuries..etc. We put enough work in to hit at least 50%. Im talking about swaying the average Joe who works all week, does nothing with gambling until Sat-Sun morning and flips on the pregames to form their opinions. I have followed this for years and my friends will even call me to let me know who the crew is pumping up when I am not around a TV. They follow the same rules and bet accodingly. It is a giant scam. I do not know whether the network (ESPN) has ties to the sportsbooks, maybe both owned under parent/umbrella companies. BUt what I do know is someone cuts and edits those 5 minute video clips of players and teams, and hugely sway opinions. I used to be that guy that would wake up and do that and be 1-3 on the day, wondering, WTF happened? The Jets were a lock? Curtis Martin is the leading rusher? Damned....!!!! The officiating goes hand in hand with it. Ed Hocholi is the biggest Patsy I know and does all of the big money games...Johnny Grier was another. All it takes is a couple of key calls at crucial times to make the difference, especially ATS. IMO.

 

[Loren78]

Clip...I have had this argument many of time. I see you are very educated in betting and so on, so I respect your opinion. Once and for all what I am saying as the forces on ESPN are VERY swaying to the wagers of the weekend gambler. Im not talking about people like yourself who probably watch opening lines, moves, injuries..etc. We put enough work in to hit at least 50%. Im talking about swaying the average Joe who works all week, does nothing with gambling until Sat-Sun morning and flips on the pregames to form their opinions. I have followed this for years and my friends will even call me to let me know who the crew is pumping up when I am not around a TV. They follow the same rules and bet accodingly. It is a giant scam. I do not know whether the network (ESPN) has ties to the sportsbooks, maybe both owned under parent/umbrella companies. BUt what I do know is someone cuts and edits those 5 minute video clips of players and teams, and hugely sway opinions. I used to be that guy that would wake up and do that and be 1-3 on the day, wondering, WTF happened? The Jets were a lock? Curtis Martin is the leading rusher? Damned....!!!! The officiating goes hand in hand with it. Ed Hocholi is the biggest Patsy I know and does all of the big money games...Johnny Grier was another. All it takes is a couple of key calls at crucial times to make the difference, especially ATS. IMO.

To those of you who are interested, please take a look at Peter Kings pick on a weekly basis. You can take a guess as to which side he is on 80 percent of the time...ESPN and CNNSI are entirely complicit in the Psy-Op whether it is knowingly may be in question...but as the former poster has illustrated, the Joe Square would do well to avoid following this kind of propaganda as I am sure it is making the Casinos a fortune....

 

[syddiggers]

If youre going to blindly follow the word of the talking heads on ESPN and other forms of media for your Sunday action fix then you deserve to lose your money.

Wouldnt you be able to predict who most analysts are going to predict, and 80% of the time? If I was to take a guess, I would think that Peter King, like most analysts would be selecting most of the favoured teams each week. Would this be correct? No shock or conspiracy theory there in my opinion.

 

[SayHeyKid]

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[SayHeyKid]

Question, do you actually think the NFL Players are in the locker room fixing games to cover the spread?:missingte What would be the motivation of that? The NFL already generates billions legitly. Tickets, Concessions, apparel, tv packages, etc....I could go on and on. The players already make millions from the revenue the NFL genereates LEGALLY, and they get millions more based on their performance. The NFL nor its players have any motivation to "fix" games. Also, do you honestly think abunch of thugs in the NFL could keep this big thing a secret? Seriously, athletes aren't the wisest bunch.

I agree that the officals rigged the superbowl. Not for the spread, saying that is ridicolous, but because Pittsburgh winning the SB would generate much more revenue. As for the coaches telling their kickers to miss big kicks to not go over the total, or Mike McCarthy telling Brett Favre "We need you to throw an INT here, so we don't cover the spread" Is nothing short of ridicolous. Too many players have played in the NFL for it to be fixed, and the people that are in the positon to fix games get fat contracts due to their performance.

As for Arizona almost beating Chicago, Miami killing Chicago, Tennessee almost beating Indy etc..

No game is a lock, most games are decided by how many breaks you get during the game. That's what makes sports so entertaining, anything can happen when they take the field. We are dealing with professionals too in the NFL. The talent level is superb and grade A. We aren't dealing with total scrubs almost beating unbelievable athletes.


Most of the games you named weren't even sucker bets either. Anyone who would lay double digits with Chicago when @ARZ on MNF at that point in time is a total idiot plain and simple.


All in All, i agree that ALOT of games are fixed in the collegiate level of both football and basketball. As for the pros, too many players have played, the money simply isnt an issue too. Sure, Brett Favre could make a quick $50G by throwing the game, but he can also make a quick $500G by appearing in a commerical. The officals throwing games? I can believe that. Even so, i don't think it would be solely motivated by the "spread/total".

 

[mj23]

MJ is trying to partner up in a slot parlor why does he need that because some of these guys gamble more money then you can guess i was once playing BJack with Tony Siragosa and he was down 250,000 before he even checked into his room so the bottom line here is that players will fix games and you wont even see it where as refs are watched at a higher level if they look at players they can say they had a bad game!