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TRYINGTOFADE,

LMAO.

MY GRANDFATHER IS A CLIENT.

BUFFETT HIDES A LOT OF HIS EQUITY SIMILAR TO BW. TRUST ME, HE IS VERY DIVERSIFIED.

DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT HE'S UP/DOWN ON??


THE WHOLE POINT OF MY POST WAS TO PRESENT THE IDEA OF NOT BELIEVING A LARGE PORTION OF WHAT THE MEDIA PRINTS AND WHAT IS REPORTED. OUR GOVERNMENT HAS A LONG HISTORY OF DISHONESTY AND ABUSE OF POWER. THINK FOR YOURSELF. INVESTIGATE REALITY. ALWAYS ASK WHY. DO YOU EVER WONDER WHY WE HAVE NEVER BEEN BACK TO THE MOON AFTER SPENDING BILLIONS ON THE PROGRAM TO GET THERE, ONLY TO SCRAP THE PROGRAM SOON AFTER??

I'm not really trying to delve into politics as much as I'm trying to investigate how some of your thought processes work. Not that anyone is right or wrong, I am curious to see similarities. Just basically a FWIW.

Dicky, LOL. I meant to mention that I am not attacking anyone. And the following statement has nothing to do with you. I value everyone's opinion, no matter the grey-matter behind it. Very similar to fading, you can classify opinions about other things in life the same way in the journey for knowledge and truth. I didnt mean to sound cross, I was fishing for rebuttals. IMO, the fact that Jake can take this kind of punishment speaks volumes. One of the hardest things to handle in this market is the day-to-day failures that everyone endures. You have to LOSE 45% of the time in order to WIN 55%. You must be confident. You have to realize that after you lose you are usually more apt to WIN, and random days off because you are losing is out of the question. But at the same time you have to guage the events and propositions for each day, and sometimes the bad streak is due to a bad menu. You can only gain experience by experience, and the worse the experience the more valuable it is.

"Millions of people work for major corporations out there".

THAT IS ONE OF THE MAJOR PROBLEMS!! MUCH OF THE PUBLIC THINKS ALIKE AND IS EASILY MANIPULATED BY THE MEDIA ETC. AFTER 911, THE WHOLE COUNTRY WAS UNITED IN A CRUSADE AGAINST WORLDWIDE TERRORISM. NOW THE COUNTRY IS DIVIDED OVER REMOVING A TWO-BIT BUTCHER FROM POWER. IT TOOK LESS THAN 18 MONTHS FOR THE PUBLIC TO FORGET/MEDIA TO SPIN. DO YOU THINK THESE WACKOS WILL EVER STOP?? ARE YOU KIDDING, THEY HAVE NOTHING TO LIVE FOR- EXCEPT DEATH ITSELF. THIS IS HOW OTHER SPECIES PRACTICE POPULATION CONTROL, THE CROCODILE EATING ITS YOUNG. ARENT WE ABOVE REPTILES, YET? GIVEN ENOUGH TIME THE WACKOS WILL END THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT, WHAT DO THEY CARE?? I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT RELIGION AS LONG AS THE FUNDAMENTALS ARENT PRACTICED AS THEY ARE WRITTEN IN THE KORAN. BUT THAT IS THE WHOLE PROBLEM. WE ARENT SO SHELETERED THAT WE WONT GET STUNG BY A FEW ANTS GOING AFTER THE QUEEN, BUT GIVEN ENOUGH TIME THE ANTS WILL SPREAD AND QUICKLY NUMBER SO MANY AND BECOME POWERFUL ENOUGH TO DESTROY INFINITELY MORE. I DONT WANT THIS WAR EITHER, BUT WHAT IS THE VIABLE ALTERNATIVE?? SOMETIMES THE BEST FOREIGN POLICY IS "WHO WANTS SOME?"

And that is not political in nature, it is a question of how best to preserve the pursuit of life and liberty. The pursuit of happiness is secondary when life and liberty is threatened, and IMO a lot of what is wrong with America is the widespread emphasis on short-term happiness ("Lets not do anything with the terrorists NOW, it might hurt a bit, let's wait and see what happens, lets not mess with the economy just yet" Clinton admin. then and the view of much of the public now).

"My point Is that there Is a major difference In stock market Investing and selling phucking "SPORTS PICKS"."

Actually not a whole lot. Both financial advisors and touts dont really sell a tangible item, just opinions. If you own a stock you dont really own anything but an expectation, similar to sports. There are arguments both ways, but for simplicity's sake I am referring to a share of a failed company. Supposedly it WAS worth something, but was it REALLY? Depends on opinions, the reason it's actually called speculation. Oh sure, the company usually exists and there are items of value such as the office building itself etc. but same with a sports team. If a pro team played in an unheated high school gym on Tuesdays would it have an effect on the spread/market price? Companies with motivated employees generally produce a better product and have a higher stock price, same with sports teams. There are thousands upon thousands more corrupt financial advisors, accountants etc selling bogus investment strategies and cheating clients than there are touts giving out both sides. I guess my point is that if you wager recreationally then you dont take anything in this industry as seriously as someone who views this as a highly profitable market worthy of actual risk. So most touts are viewed simply as scumbags. But on the flip side, I have seen a lot of the corruption in the stock market first hand, so I play that market only a bit more than recreationally and I view a lot of financial advisors as criminals. The thinking is different. I just like to put trust in myself and limit as many intangibles coming from other people as possible. I know it will sound strange by saying that I have more control over a sports team's performance than a stock, but think about it. There are fewer wheels in the sports market, you know who all the players are, there is pretty accurate information posted each day about them, whereas in the stock market???? Noone can investigate all of a company's vital employees to see who is working or what agendas they have. There is so much going on behind the scenes that only key players know about. Many studies have been done showing that throwing a dart at the stock page and investing in the random stocks that the dart hits will consistently outperform the top advisors. There hasnt been an algorithm engineered that can consistently predict stock value without affecting the market in such a way that the algorithm itself has the effect of reducing value. In the sports market many people have.

We dont have to hate each other just because we have differing opinions, the main reason I express MINE is to HEAR THE OTHER SIDE.
 

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Maria,

If I'm loony then present your "sane" side of the argument. I'm not offended by your statement, but it's more convincing to point out what is loony or what you disagree with. Only after all of the facts are presented can one make a logical conclusion. BTW, I'm of German heritage and I'm so proud of what David has done for the world, his country must be so honored...
 
ATX

Holly shit man. I read Shakespear In a lot less time than your reply.

You have many valid points Indeed.

Personaly I would rather Invest my money, on a solid blue chip company, as opposed to leaving It In a bank account.

My main argument about touts Is that most of them work under an alias. You never get to meet them face to face.

We face risk In day to day life, nothing Is guaranteed. Unfortunately that will never change.
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ATX- I apologize for the way I replied to yesterday's post although I still believe it. Hopefully I'll have time later today to explain.
 

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How many different tangents is this thread taking? This is bizarre by even the Rubber Room standards. We had Jake and Hamneggs, Dogball and Pat. ATX and Raiders. And they all are somewhat connected like a Seinfeld episode.
 

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By the way, ATX I think there are games that are or could be played. Since everybody in this country watches TV and everybody believes what they see on television, it is pretty damn easy to influence most people in a certain way. I wish you would elaborate on your veiled and somewhat vague points.
 

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OK, you're right. Sports gambling is investing. Enjoy your retirement.

PS. Say hi, to your Uncle who is a "client" of Warren Buffett.

LOL! RR is the funniest phucking place on the net
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Altice

Don't forget those 2 assholes, J. Money who attacked Dicky and Hacker, who attacked all of us.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tryingtofade:
OK, you're right. Sports gambling is investing. Enjoy your retirement.

PS. Say hi, to your Uncle who is a "client" of Warren Buffett.

LOL! RR is the funniest phucking place on the net
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Tryingtofade

I agree with you 100%. I am truly exhausted after reading ATX's 20 page reply (lol
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vegas,

I understand the importance you place in a solid handshake and a square look in the eye. There is too little of that today, and too many who do it with their fingers crossed behind their back, with the plane ready on the runway. I think this industry may be changing a bit as far as touts are concerned. Information is so widely available now that it may be more difficult for the crooks to hide, or at least they will have to change IP addresses etc. And with information exchanges such as forums like this one, those who are successful and want to provide their service to those with a limited amount of time to research etc may quickly develop a positive rapport with the public and change a little bit of the negative image involved with the "touts" from the past. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I see financial advisors finding a niche in the sports market. It CAN be acted upon as a true market, and it does provide a very good way of true diversification. I think someone could successfully market themselves this way, and more importantly actually invest with the same principals in mind. While I dont mean to come across as defending touts (I think the vast majority are immoral, but I dont have any personal experience to speak of) I do think there is a definite oppurtunity for this and someone will pull it off pretty soon.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>DO YOU EVER WONDER WHY WE HAVE NEVER BEEN BACK TO THE MOON AFTER SPENDING BILLIONS ON THE PROGRAM TO GET THERE, ONLY TO SCRAP THE PROGRAM SOON AFTER??
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ATX- What are your thoughts on this? Have you seen the movie "Aliens"? I have some dark photos with bright lights that I think you would be interested in seeing.

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thanks pat,id begun to think he had control of this place.a great site like this shouldnt have to tolerate people who wont work on here beggin for money.
 

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tryingtofade,

I am retired. I'm not even 30. Besides real estate, the sports market is all that I do- I dont touch the capital and live off Earl Boykins and the like.

My UNCLE is an agent for the IRS, you must be referring to my GRANDFATHER...

raiders,

dont worry about it, no offense taken. It's just frustrating when you are trying to pry differing opinions from people and they fail to provide reason behind their claims. I am basically digging for info as well as trying to provide it, and I consider myself open-minded to a certain extent.


Altice,

I think you are referring to the government/media playing 'games'? I'm not sure what you want me to elaborate on. I have a lot of ideas with varying degrees of proof, and many of them are just ideas out of simple curiosity. Others I have spent some time investigating and have uncovered evidence that, if nothing else, points to surprising conclusions. I have relatives that work/have worked for the government...

Ham,

I'm not sure whether or not to take your question seriously or not...but

I wonder about the reason we are planning trips to Mars when we have barely investigated the closest solar body to us. There is more to it than that, there are other strange things involved, but as far as proof goes- very limited. I dont place much weight in photographs, they can be easily doctored and so-called "expert's opinions" can be bought. The government is taking a new, peculiar stance on some things that havent been fully explained- they are following the lead of other countries. I have never believed in extra-terrestrial life. I have never seen any proof of it. I also never seen any proof against it- except for what NASA and government scientists claim...this is exactly why I invest in the sports market.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Grand Slam:
Jake , here's some questions off the top of my head concerning stuff I've learned over the years regarding baseball. I'll put it in a quiz format:

1) Besides runs scored, which are the two most important offensive catagories a handicapper uses to evaluate a specific baseball team?

2)SF is -160 favorite at home against Neagle/Colorado. Late word out of SF says Bonds tweaked his back during batting practice and will be replaced by Marquis Grissom. How much should the line be adjusted, and explain the reasoning behind the adjustment.
3) You like the under in the New York/Chicago game. One book has the under at 7.5 -130. Another out has it at 7 -105. Which line offers the best value and explain your reasoning.
4) Next day: you again like the under for NY/Chi. One book has the line at 8 -105; another has it at 8.5 -125. Which line offers the best value and explain your reasoning.
5) The Mets are starting a pitcher just promoted from AAA in tonight's game against the Expos. What methods would you use in evaluating this rookie's chances of success in his major league debut against Montreal?

A couple of these are obviously opinions, but I'd like to hear the logic behind the answers Jake.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll get to these tommorow night or the proceeding morning. I just got home and have a million things to do. I'll get to them though.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by irahayes:
thanks pat,id begun to think he had control of this place.a great site like this shouldnt have to tolerate people who wont work on here beggin for money.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No problem, mistakes happen. Might want to check and see if your friend got his user name back too. Elmer seemed like one of the good guys around here......
 

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looks like jake the pro has to call dr.cravenmoredick for advise on what to do with the questions that grand slam asked him(her).

the kid is pretty smart though, look at all the attention he is getting for his tout business.
the only problem is that it is negative attention because it has further exposed him as the parasitic creature that he is.

hey kid, give the 3 or 4 retards that sent you money a refund if you want to be fair.

here's laughing AT you.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by slugster:
looks like jake the pro has to call dr.cravenmoredick for advise on what to do with the questions that grand slam asked him(her).

the kid is pretty smart though, look at all the attention he is getting for his tout business.
the only problem is that it is negative attention because it has further exposed him as the parasitic creature that he is.

hey kid, give the 3 or 4 retards that sent you money a refund if you want to be fair.

here's laughing AT you.
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slugster<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

First off, read Rule #1. Assuming you are literate. If not, I forgive you.

Rubber Room attention for my tout business, negative or not, is like having 10 fat chicks check you out. I could care less either way. Furthermore, I'm extremely hurt that someone of your high moral character is laughing at me. Just devastated. If you want to add nothingness to the conversation, at least start a new RR thread. MMM K?
 

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