The ULTIMATE Tout/Anti-Tout Argument

[slugster]

your record is nothing to brag about, i just checked it. basically you were a few percentage points above .500 in baseball for ONE season.

you have been piss poor ever since. what's worse is that you want to be PAID for this shet.

btw you have not completed grand slams questions completely or correctly. there are statistical answers that you are not capable of calculating
or comprehending.

i have to stop and laugh some more kid, thanks again for the entertainment. part of what is funny is that you believe your own bull.

slugster

 

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by slugster:
your record is nothing to brag about, i just checked it. basically you were a few percentage points above .500 in baseball for ONE season.

you have been piss poor ever since. what's worse is that you want to be PAID for this shet.

btw you have not completed grand slams questions completely or correctly. there are statistical answers that you are not capable of calculating
or comprehending.

i have to stop and laugh some more kid, thanks again for the entertainment. part of what is funny is that you believe your own bull.

slugster<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Since last baseball season I am 816-793. Up 23.76 units. 62-51 on 2 unit plays. My yearly charge is $150.00. If you bet just 20 dollars per game on all my plays you'd be up a couple hundred. You'd be hard pressed to convince me that isn't worth $150.00. By the way, I updated the website for you and hammy.

 

Originally posted by Snake Thompson:

Quote: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>"Instead of going into the questions too deep, I'll do it briefly, because quite frankly I don't feel I have to prove anything and this is the Rubber Room and all." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, Snake, looks like you really covered your bases in your first response...no pun intended.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hamneggs:
Originally posted by Snake Thompson:

Quote: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>"Instead of going into the questions too deep, I'll do it briefly, because quite frankly I don't feel I have to prove anything and this is the Rubber Room and all." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, Snake, looks like you really covered your bases in your first response...no pun intended.

http://olsentwins.syndk8.net/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Regardless of how great my answers were, they don't determine whether or not I can't win money in baseball, which I WILL. 100% guaranteed. Fade my picks if you'd like, but I'm confident I'll win money.

 

Snake-

If you win, then you win.

If you lose, then you are a fraud loser who has agreed to stop touting if he has a losing MLB season.

No pressure, kid....


(oops, I violated Rule #1....again)

ROTFLMAO

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hamneggs:
Snake-

If you win, then you win.

If you lose, then you are a fraud loser who has agreed to stop touting if he has a losing MLB season.

No pressure, kid....


(oops, I violated Rule #1....again)

ROTFLMAO

http://olsentwins.syndk8.net/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll let Rule #1 slide because you only insulted me in a theoretical situation that will never happen.

 

jake.

when you made your <tout announcement> you were up about 30 units in baseball, right ?

here is the record from your website now :

MLB
Overall record: 382-338
Moneyline - Favorites: 135-87
Moneyline - Underdogs: 117-101
Over/Under - Over: 32-30
Over/Under - Under: 47-55
RunLine - Favorites (-1.5): 34-42
RunLine - Underdogs (+1.5): 4-4
MegaRuns: 2-0
2 Bet Parlays: 5-11
3 Bet Parlays: 1-1
Futures: 1-0
Units +/-: +36.7 Units (for 1 unit/wager)
(2 Unit Plays (Bonus Plays): 33-26

NFL
Overall record: 47-49
Units +/-: +.29 Units (for 1 unit/wager)
(2 Unit Plays (Bonus Plays): 6-4

NCAA Football
Overall record: 77-67
Units +/-: +8.15 Units (for 1 unit/wager)
(2 Unit Plays (Bonus Plays): 2-3

NBA
Overall record: 129-150
Units +/-: -29.51 Units (for 1 unit/wager)
(2 Unit Plays (Bonus Plays): 7-8

NHL
Overall record: 167-176
Units +/-: +4.39 Units (for 1 unit/wager)
(2 Unit Plays (Bonus Plays): 12-9

NCAA Basketball
Overall Record: 14-13
Over: 0-0
Under: 0-0
Spread Favorites: 2-3
Spread Underdogs: 11-7
ML Favorites: 0-0
ML Underdogs: 0-0
Units +/-: +3.74 Units (for 1 unit/wager)
(2 Unit Plays (Bonus Plays): 2-1

so, since the tout announcement, you are :

+ around 6.0 units in baseball
+0.29 in nfl
+8.15 college foot
-29.51 nba
+4.39 nhl
+3.74 college hoops

thats approx. = -6.5 units

how in the hell has that been profitable for your clients ?

so, a 100$ bettor is down 650$ on your plays, and 150$ for the fees, thats around -800$

actually i'm sure that you have no clients, but then again, <this is the rubber room and all>

i know you will come back to say. the only freaking sport i lost is nba, and i have won in every other sport.

right ?

the problem is, jake, that you lost in nba more than you won in all other sports combined.

by the way, why did you come here with this thread ? do you have any particular goal you'd like to achieve here in the Rubber Room ?

take this as an advice : the more you mess up with RR crew, the more you will get exposed. just ask rodfather.
grow up jake.

 

[MariaSharapova]

just quickly glancing at Jake's recordkeeping
i notice a sub-category that doesn't seem
accurate.
His nba record is listed as
129-150,-29.51 on 1 unit plays.
NOw depending on whether his plays are
calculated at risking 1 unit,or the more
common american method, i arrive at different
results.(not surprisingly worse)
american method, risking 1.1 units to win 1
unit. 129-150 = -36.0 units
euro method, risking 1 unit to win 0.909 unit
129-150 = -32.74 units.

The above is before factoring in his 7-8
record for his "Bonus plays".

Jake,here's my "thank me later" advice.
Spend your time on uni/ playing the piano
finger painting/ anything but being a tout,
for the next 3-5 years.After this period of
time,according to actuarial tables, you will
still have 50+ years to be a sports tout if
you still are so inclined.
Just trust me on this one.
Ciao

How to Good-bye Depression
www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0595094724/ref=pd_rhf_p

IT's Getting Awfully Hasselhott in Hier!!!
Click below...Be Patient.
http://makeashorterlink.com.?a20452533
The song Hot Shot City is particularly good

 

[slugster]

jake, you will be getting bent over by the book this year in baseball.

i will bet you $1000.00 that if you make 700 baseball bets like you did last year, you will lose money for the year.

if you agree we can set up the guidelines and pick someone to hold the money.

love to here from you kid, i can always use free money.

slugster

 

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by don marco:
jake.

when you made your <tout announcement> you were up about 30 units in baseball, right ?

here is the record from your website now :

MLB
Overall record: 382-338
Moneyline - Favorites: 135-87
Moneyline - Underdogs: 117-101
Over/Under - Over: 32-30
Over/Under - Under: 47-55
RunLine - Favorites (-1.5): 34-42
RunLine - Underdogs (+1.5): 4-4
MegaRuns: 2-0
2 Bet Parlays: 5-11
3 Bet Parlays: 1-1
Futures: 1-0
Units +/-: +36.7 Units (for 1 unit/wager)
(2 Unit Plays (Bonus Plays): 33-26

NFL
Overall record: 47-49
Units +/-: +.29 Units (for 1 unit/wager)
(2 Unit Plays (Bonus Plays): 6-4

NCAA Football
Overall record: 77-67
Units +/-: +8.15 Units (for 1 unit/wager)
(2 Unit Plays (Bonus Plays): 2-3

NBA
Overall record: 129-150
Units +/-: -29.51 Units (for 1 unit/wager)
(2 Unit Plays (Bonus Plays): 7-8

NHL
Overall record: 167-176
Units +/-: +4.39 Units (for 1 unit/wager)
(2 Unit Plays (Bonus Plays): 12-9

NCAA Basketball
Overall Record: 14-13
Over: 0-0
Under: 0-0
Spread Favorites: 2-3
Spread Underdogs: 11-7
ML Favorites: 0-0
ML Underdogs: 0-0
Units +/-: +3.74 Units (for 1 unit/wager)
(2 Unit Plays (Bonus Plays): 2-1

so, since the tout announcement, you are :

+ around 6.0 units in baseball
+0.29 in nfl
+8.15 college foot
-29.51 nba
+4.39 nhl
+3.74 college hoops

thats approx. = -6.5 units

how in the hell has that been profitable for your clients ?

so, a 100$ bettor is down 650$ on your plays, and 150$ for the fees, thats around -800$

actually i'm sure that you have no clients, but then again, <this is the rubber room and all>

i know you will come back to say. the only freaking sport i lost is nba, and i have won in every other sport.

right ?

the problem is, jake, that you lost in nba more than you won in all other sports combined.

by the way, why did you come here with this thread ? do you have any particular goal you'd like to achieve here in the Rubber Room ?

take this as an advice : the more you mess up with RR crew, the more you will get exposed. just ask rodfather.
grow up jake.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don, I was talking about if people paid for a year of services. Not since I turned tout. I'll win money in MLB and be up for the year since I started touting. I have no doubts. I currently have quite a few clients. Also, for all the money I lost in the NBA (which from here on out will not be bet by me) is still not as much as I won in MLB. By about 7 units. I understand what you are saying though. I went to the Rubber Room with this thread because I dubbed this group as a whole the most uneducated, or call it holding a differing viewpoint, on this issue. Plus for all the hamneggs down here, there are some smart people as well. Grow up? I started a thread where I asked for an honest discussion with no bashing. I don't know how you figure I'm being immature about this whole thing.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maria Sharapova:
just quickly glancing at Jake's recordkeeping
i notice a sub-category that doesn't seem
accurate.
His nba record is listed as
129-150,-29.51 on 1 unit plays.
NOw depending on whether his plays are
calculated at risking 1 unit,or the more
common american method, i arrive at different
results.(not surprisingly worse)
american method, risking 1.1 units to win 1
unit. 129-150 = -36.0 units
euro method, risking 1 unit to win 0.909 unit
129-150 = -32.74 units.

The above is before factoring in his 7-8
record for his "Bonus plays".

Jake,here's my "thank me later" advice.
Spend your time on uni/ playing the piano
finger painting/ anything but being a tout,
for the next 3-5 years.After this period of
time,according to actuarial tables, you will
still have 50+ years to be a sports tout if
you still are so inclined.
Just trust me on this one.
Ciao

How to Good-bye Depression
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0595094724/ref=pd_rhf_p

IT's Getting Awfully Hasselhott in Hier!!!
Click below...Be Patient.
http://makeashorterlink.com.?a20452533
The song Hot Shot City is particularly good<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maria, although your findings would be pertinent assuming I bet -110 games every time, that is not the case. The last month or so I bet MLs mainly. The number I have posted is TRK's tracked results, so it's not just me coming up with the #. Thanks for the interest though.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by slugster:
jake, you will be getting bent over by the book this year in baseball.

i will bet you $1000.00 that if you make 700 baseball bets like you did last year, you will lose money for the year.

if you agree we can set up the guidelines and pick someone to hold the money.

love to here from you kid, i can always use free money.

slugster<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd be happy to do it if I had $1000 floating around. Too bad I don't.

 

A quote by Jake Thompson

"I went to the Rubber Room with this thread because I dubbed this group as a whole the most uneducated."

How many years of University have you completed.??

You Dumbass..

 

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by vegasguy39:
A quote by Jake Thompson

"I went to the Rubber Room with this thread because I dubbed this group as a whole the most uneducated."

How many years of University have you completed.??

You Dumbass..

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My quote was "I went to the Rubber Room with this thread because I dubbed this group as a whole the most uneducated, or call it holding a differing viewpoint, on this issue." Thanks for the attempt though.

 

[slugster]

not surprised you won't put your money where your mouth is. a big pro sports handicapper with no money...what a laugher

.

all tapped out are ya? how are you going to bet the games kid?

big pro...

i am willing to bet a smaller amount kid, put up or shut up...lets bet pro capper

maybe mommy or daddy will lend the pro capper some cash

slugster

 

Snake

We'll see who the dumbass is at the end of the MLB season.

When is opening day so that I can mark it in my calendar?

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[GrandSlam+]

Jake,the final grades have been release...very disappointing. Had you put more effort into the test, you may have had better results. I believe you were a bit too concerned with the spitballs being tossed at you by Slugster, Hamneggs, Fat Frank and others to fully concentrate on the task at hand. Sure they are just silly boys now; give them a few years and they might just turn into Republicans. Stay away.

Question #1: Good answer. Ob% and slugging % are the crown jewels in handicapping offensive team strength (other than runs). Everything else generally is statistical noise.

Question #2: Incomplete with a F in Effort. I was hoping to see a demostration in how you created your own line. It was a hypothetical question relying on your good faith effort to solve the problem. There was no attempt to do this.

Question #3: Incorrect. When the over/under line is 7, the total lands on that number about 15% of the time. Getting an extra half run to 7.5 is worth around 35 cents, up to -1.40. The better value therefore is under 7.5 -1.30.

Question #4: Incorrect. When the over/under line is 8, the total lands on that number about 7% of the time. Getting an extra half run to 8.5 is worth around 15 cents, up to -.120. The better value is under 8 -1.05.

7,9 and 11 are key numbers regarding totals. When possible, try to get totals off these numbers if the cost is minimal.

Question #5: Correct. While there was no wrong answer to the question, it was a solid answer.

Jake, you had a good record in baseball last year. But you really need to learn how to set a line and determine value in a ball games. Picking winners in baseball isn't enough. Print out what Patrick and Maria wrote earlier in this thread and read it every time you sit down to eat, sit down to shit, and sit down to get a hummer. It is great advice that will save you a lot of money in the long run.

 

Jake - TRK has you listed as -12.55 units in NCAA football and +5.98 in the bowls. Whatever the difference is would be your RX official record. NFL you ended up -10.4 units. I don't have the NFL play-offs for you handy, I just have these because they are listed with mine.

Where do those numbers from your site come from in football? Are they what you mail out or something different? Anyway good luck.


I came here to help the posters win for free but after my *50 unit plays started winning they BEGGED me to sell my plays to them..... - Dogball/2002

 

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Grand Slam:
Jake,the final grades have been release...very disappointing. Had you put more effort into the test, you may have had better results. I believe you were a bit too concerned with the spitballs being tossed at you by Slugster, Hamneggs, Fat Frank and others to fully concentrate on the task at hand. Sure they are just silly boys now; give them a few years and they might just turn into Republicans. Stay away.

Question #1: Good answer. Ob% and slugging % are the crown jewels in handicapping offensive team strength (other than runs). Everything else generally is statistical noise.

Question #2: Incomplete with a F in Effort. I was hoping to see a demostration in how you created your own line. It was a hypothetical question relying on your good faith effort to solve the problem. There was no attempt to do this.

Question #3: Incorrect. When the over/under line is 7, the total lands on that number about 15% of the time. Getting an extra half run to 7.5 is worth around 35 cents, up to -1.40. The better value therefore is under 7.5 -1.30.

Question #4: Incorrect. When the over/under line is 8, the total lands on that number about 7% of the time. Getting an extra half run to 8.5 is worth around 15 cents, up to -.120. The better value is under 8 -1.05.

7,9 and 11 are key numbers regarding totals. When possible, try to get totals off these numbers if the cost is minimal.

Question #5: Correct. While there was no wrong answer to the question, it was a solid answer.

Jake, you had a good record in baseball last year. But you really need to learn how to set a line and determine value in a ball games. Picking winners in baseball isn't enough. Print out what Patrick and Maria wrote earlier in this thread and read it every time you sit down to eat, sit down to shit, and sit down to get a hummer. It is great advice that will save you a lot of money in the long run.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Strong post Grand Slam. I read it over quickly but was fairly certain what you wanted to hear on #3 and #4. You are obviously no rookie, hope you are around when the season starts.

I came here to help the posters win for free but after my *50 unit plays started winning they BEGGED me to sell my plays to them..... - Dogball/2002

 

Snake-

The writing is on the wall for MLB 2003...

GL, kid..we'll be watching you.

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