Do you know that I am referring to the UCLA/TN game? TN would beat UCLA easily on any field this year. UCLA will get whupped handily at home in W1. I got the best deal I thought I could get when it was at 6 and it looks like I timed it right.
And PS... kudos to the Vols just for making the trip(s) out to California. Even if UCLA is all messed up and the win doesn't end up counting for much, taking a 2500 mile trip counts. They didn't know UCLA would be in deep sh*t when they scheduled it so nothing lost in making the effort.
IMHO, Lots of dumb posts on both sides of the argument.
Strangely, I think the thing that bothered me the most when not 1, not 2, not 3 but like 4 people spelled the word DOMINANT as DOMINATE. (DOMIN-8).
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dominant
Although, spelling is one of the most overrated skills in human life. Anyway....football....
1. SEC is the best conference overall, hands down. Too much proof across the board.
2. IMO, Big 12 has a chance to be the best conference this year and time will show it. A lot of SEC homers that can't STFU will be eating crow this season.
3. I forget who it was, but someone made a horrendous post and said the SEC going 7-2 in bowl games last year wasn't dominant. Especially considering that it is usually lower seeded SEC teams beating higher seeded teams from other conferences, such as a 4th seeded SEC team usually gets paired against a 2nd best Big 10 team and that goes all the way down the line and to go 7-2 in bowl games is pretty DOMINANT regardless of final score. I'm pretty confident that if someone looked back at history, they would have a hard time finding any other conference post a similar bowl record in the history of modern college football. If it has happened, it has happened maybe once or twice at most.
4. That being said, the difference between conferences isn't much, and the proof will be in the pudding this year when the Big 12 gives the SEC a run for their money for the retarded crown of "best conference" - a crown created for excuse-makers to explain why their favorite team can never win a national championship - "our conference is too hard, thats why we never win." "Your conference isnt hard, look at our conference.." bla bla. "The only reason your team wins is because you play in a shitty conference compared to my teams conference." Sack up and admit your team blows and stop making excuses. Ahhh, that feels better to get that off my chest.
Side note, although Tim Tebow's release is slow and he is in an offense that does not force him to make a ton of defensive reads like he will probably have to do in the NFL, I am beginning to believe that Tebow is on one of the finest lines I have ever seen of a draft prospect of either being a huge bust or a Hall of Famer. I dont think he will hang around the league as marginal QB, I think it will be the shithouse or the castle for Tebow in the NFL. My point, I think he is a special QB that has a chance to reinvent the position in the NFL and do his own thing. I think a lot of it will be how smart the team is that drafts him. Will the team force Tim to play their prototypical NFL style of offense, or will they adjust to the type of QB they have and put him in a system and adjust the playbook so he can succeed? Just because there havent been any Tebow's in the NFL before him, doesnt mean he cant succeed a redefine the position. Granted, he has a lot of things to improve on, but he has the "it" factor and he is a playmaker.
I dont think there is any doubt that Tebow is a top 10 pick in the draft, not because he is a lock to succeed, but because he sells tickets, he has a lot of talent and if Alex Smith can be drafted #1 overall (despite his mediocre at best performance in the NFL) there is no reason to believe that a more talented Tebow can't be drafted just as high, if not in the same ballpark.
Strangely, I think the thing that bothered me the most when not 1, not 2, not 3 but like 4 people spelled the word DOMINANT as DOMINATE. (DOMIN-8).
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dominant
Although, spelling is one of the most overrated skills in human life. Anyway....football....
1. SEC is the best conference overall, hands down. Too much proof across the board.
2. IMO, Big 12 has a chance to be the best conference this year and time will show it. A lot of SEC homers that can't STFU will be eating crow this season.
3. I forget who it was, but someone made a horrendous post and said the SEC going 7-2 in bowl games last year wasn't dominant. Especially considering that it is usually lower seeded SEC teams beating higher seeded teams from other conferences, such as a 4th seeded SEC team usually gets paired against a 2nd best Big 10 team and that goes all the way down the line and to go 7-2 in bowl games is pretty DOMINANT regardless of final score. I'm pretty confident that if someone looked back at history, they would have a hard time finding any other conference post a similar bowl record in the history of modern college football. If it has happened, it has happened maybe once or twice at most.
4. That being said, the difference between conferences isn't much, and the proof will be in the pudding this year when the Big 12 gives the SEC a run for their money for the retarded crown of "best conference" - a crown created for excuse-makers to explain why their favorite team can never win a national championship - "our conference is too hard, thats why we never win." "Your conference isnt hard, look at our conference.." bla bla. "The only reason your team wins is because you play in a shitty conference compared to my teams conference." Sack up and admit your team blows and stop making excuses. Ahhh, that feels better to get that off my chest.
Side note, although Tim Tebow's release is slow and he is in an offense that does not force him to make a ton of defensive reads like he will probably have to do in the NFL, I am beginning to believe that Tebow is on one of the finest lines I have ever seen of a draft prospect of either being a huge bust or a Hall of Famer. I dont think he will hang around the league as marginal QB, I think it will be the shithouse or the castle for Tebow in the NFL. My point, I think he is a special QB that has a chance to reinvent the position in the NFL and do his own thing. I think a lot of it will be how smart the team is that drafts him. Will the team force Tim to play their prototypical NFL style of offense, or will they adjust to the type of QB they have and put him in a system and adjust the playbook so he can succeed? Just because there havent been any Tebow's in the NFL before him, doesnt mean he cant succeed a redefine the position. Granted, he has a lot of things to improve on, but he has the "it" factor and he is a playmaker.
I dont think there is any doubt that Tebow is a top 10 pick in the draft, not because he is a lock to succeed, but because he sells tickets, he has a lot of talent and if Alex Smith can be drafted #1 overall (despite his mediocre at best performance in the NFL) there is no reason to believe that a more talented Tebow can't be drafted just as high, if not in the same ballpark.
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I know me and you have been back and forth more than once talking about conferances but I would just like to say thank you for making a very intelligent post with that last one. I agree with almost all of it. The big 12 does have a good chance to be the best this year. Yes the SEC is the best, but I repect you for acknowledging that while the SEC is the best they aren't the only conferance. There is good football being played thoughout the country. And the differances aren't that significant. Bully to you sir for not having SEC blinders on.
I know me and you have been back and forth more than once talking about conferances but I would just like to say thank you for making a very intelligent post with that last one. I agree with almost all of it. The big 12 does have a good chance to be the best this year. Yes the SEC is the best, but I repect you for acknowledging that while the SEC is the best they aren't the only conferance. There is good football being played thoughout the country. And the differances aren't that significant. Bully to you sir for not having SEC blinders on.
The Canadian game may be custom made for Robinson. His skills are ideal for that big field and all the movement.
I think the Cotton Bowl win will prove to be a major turning point for Mizzou. Whatever doubts they may have had that they belong playing with the Big Boys were surely erased. If they make it back to the Big 12 title game, you're right, it'll be a very different atmosphere for them. I'm looking forward to seeing how they play this year.
haha this place never changes...you sit and stay quiet till someone say tebows release is slow then you come in all apologetic and try to be pc and ride the fence without responding to the florida 4 losses issue at all .. .
tebow is no top 10 pick. thats stupid talk...he sure as hell wont be going pro after this year , so he will end up with some great college career stats and hes a force for sure at the college level . hell, put laurinatias from OSU at qb and he can rumble for 5 yards or pitch it out to beanie wells . yes thats absurb, no hes not as good a qb as tebow, but tebow is no top 10 pick... nfl gms dont waste a top 10 pick on an oddity to sell tickets...how the hell would he sell tickets in the nfl after some free safety takes his head off as he tries to stumble off tackle... hes already shown he cant play hurt worth a damn and he tends to cry a lot.. dont have the heart or the skills for the nfl
this place used to have knowledgable football folks... now its about dictionaries and cheerleading
AA...I think whether these QB's make in the NFL has to do with many things...I hear somebody is either going to be a boom or bust because of his style, or he's too small, too weak of an arm etc...But what most NFL experts will tell you is it's the ability to work hard in the NFL, something alot of players aren't willing to do after being pampered in college. And just as importantly the kind of a QB coach that a player gets hooked up with in the NFL can make a big difference..... At any rate I see too many players who were forgettable names in college that are playing in the NFL right now because of the reasons I mentioned above..The way I see it, there are two kinds of QB's. The bigtime talent that usually doesn't have to wait long to get on the field..And the lesser name journeyman QB's who are willing to wait, stick it out, learn the game, and then get their turn...So it's all pretty much a crapshoot..Just as much of it has to do with the 6 inches above their shoulders than their athletic ability..I've seen what I thought were some very good pro prospects (Ryan Leaf for example) that simply didn't have the mind or the work ethic for the pro game..This is where the biggest gamble comes in with picking these prospects.
I agree that the Missouri-Texas game will be the pivitol game for Mizzou..But it could also play a big factor with Texas...Texas plays Missouri the week after they play OU..I'm thinking the best break that Missouri could catch is if Texas should beat OU the week before. Because if Texas should lose to the Sooners they're going to be very pissed off and ready to take it out on someone...It's going to be an interesting year in the Big 12. I think it's a much more wide open race than people think.
So basically the 2 sides of the argument:
Those debating against SEC fans:
Here's this fact, this stat, this fact, this on-field result, this nfl draft result, this other fact, this bowl result showing the SEC isn't all everyone cracks it up to be.
SEC fans:
Facts, stats and on field results don't mean anything. Just watch the games, listen to our radio show hosts and us when we say we're the best. We must be because we say so. Nevermind that you have results that show we don't own the whole football world. If you disagree you're just stupid. Who uses facts to support things when we can just tell you that we're better. NFL scouts are stupid, on field results are stupid, the SEC is faster, bigger, stronger than anyone else, your'e stupid if you don't blindly believe this.
That's my understanding of the argument.
Those debating against SEC fans:
Here's this fact, this stat, this fact, this on-field result, this nfl draft result, this other fact, this bowl result showing the SEC isn't all everyone cracks it up to be.
SEC fans:
Facts, stats and on field results don't mean anything. Just watch the games, listen to our radio show hosts and us when we say we're the best. We must be because we say so. Nevermind that you have results that show we don't own the whole football world. If you disagree you're just stupid. Who uses facts to support things when we can just tell you that we're better. NFL scouts are stupid, on field results are stupid, the SEC is faster, bigger, stronger than anyone else, your'e stupid if you don't blindly believe this.
That's my understanding of the argument.
get this thru your thick head...SEC has been national champions 3 of the last 5 years, and they have rolled over their opponete's....national championship game, equals two best teams in the country, this is the only game that matters.....again, SEC won it 3 of the last 5 years, do you understand that?!?!?!
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the subject is not worth arguing, thats why they just call you stupid, but really your worst than stupid, you ignorant....you can teach a stupid person something, you can't teach an ignorant person anything, so its not worth the time.....they have more people saying SEC isn't the best, and making threads about hoe sec is not the best, then there is of people making threads that SEC is the best confrence....If they are not the best, why are people always bringing it up, its becuase its obvious.
Play the SEC double digit dogs when playing against another SEC opponent.
<HR style="COLOR: #fdde82" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->System went 31-6 ATS Last Two Years...
2007 SEC double digit dogs ATS went 12-5 YTD.
Ark opponent
Miss St +12.5 31-45 L
Aub's opponent
Miss St +12.5 14-19 W
Miss +17 17-3 W
FLA's opponent
Miss +23.5 30-24 W
Auburn +19 20-17 W
Vandy +14.5 49-22 L
Georgia's opponent
Miss +15.5 45-17 L
Kentucky's opponent
Mississippi St +13 14-31 W
LSU's opponent
Miss St +18 45-0 L
S. Car +17.5 28-16 W
Kentucky +10 37-43 W
Auburn +10.5 24-30 W
Miss +20 41-24 W
Ark +12 48-50 W
S. Car's opponent
Miss St +15 38-21 L
Vandy +13.5 17-6 W
Tenny's opponent
Vandy +12 25-24 W
2006 SEC double digit dogs ATS went 19-1
Alabama's opponents
Vandy +14.5 13-10 W
Miss +15.5 26-23 W
Ark's opponents
Miss St +14.5 28-14 W
Aub's opponents
SC +12.5 24-17 W
ARK +13.5 10-27 W
Miss+18.0 23-17 W
Georgia +11.0 15-37 W
FLA's opponents
Ken +27.5 26-7 W
Alabama +15.5 28-13 W
Georgia +13.5 21-14 W
Vandy +15.5 25-19 W
SC +13 17-6 W
Georgia's opponents
Miss +17.5 14-9 W
Vandy +14.5 22-24 W
Miss st +16.5 27-24 W
Lsu's opponents
Kentucky +25 49-0 L
Alabama +17.5 28-14 W
Miss +28.5 23-20 W
Tenn's opponents
Alabama +10.5 16-13 W
Kentucky +19 17-12 W
<HR style="COLOR: #fdde82" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->System went 31-6 ATS Last Two Years...
2007 SEC double digit dogs ATS went 12-5 YTD.
Ark opponent
Miss St +12.5 31-45 L
Aub's opponent
Miss St +12.5 14-19 W
Miss +17 17-3 W
FLA's opponent
Miss +23.5 30-24 W
Auburn +19 20-17 W
Vandy +14.5 49-22 L
Georgia's opponent
Miss +15.5 45-17 L
Kentucky's opponent
Mississippi St +13 14-31 W
LSU's opponent
Miss St +18 45-0 L
S. Car +17.5 28-16 W
Kentucky +10 37-43 W
Auburn +10.5 24-30 W
Miss +20 41-24 W
Ark +12 48-50 W
S. Car's opponent
Miss St +15 38-21 L
Vandy +13.5 17-6 W
Tenny's opponent
Vandy +12 25-24 W
2006 SEC double digit dogs ATS went 19-1
Alabama's opponents
Vandy +14.5 13-10 W
Miss +15.5 26-23 W
Ark's opponents
Miss St +14.5 28-14 W
Aub's opponents
SC +12.5 24-17 W
ARK +13.5 10-27 W
Miss+18.0 23-17 W
Georgia +11.0 15-37 W
FLA's opponents
Ken +27.5 26-7 W
Alabama +15.5 28-13 W
Georgia +13.5 21-14 W
Vandy +15.5 25-19 W
SC +13 17-6 W
Georgia's opponents
Miss +17.5 14-9 W
Vandy +14.5 22-24 W
Miss st +16.5 27-24 W
Lsu's opponents
Kentucky +25 49-0 L
Alabama +17.5 28-14 W
Miss +28.5 23-20 W
Tenn's opponents
Alabama +10.5 16-13 W
Kentucky +19 17-12 W
Play the SEC double digit dogs when playing against another SEC opponent.
<HR style="COLOR: #fdde82" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->System went 31-6 ATS Last Two Years...
The SEC confence won the national championship last 2 years, but out of 37 confrence games, only 6 where desided by double didgits...
That should give you a fuckin hint on how tuff this division is, when we have the best team in the nation, but we can't have a easy game in our division, then we go into the national championship game and crush our much weaker opponete.
Ohio st. crushs their opponete's all year, then they get crushed by us, does that not prove a point?!?!?!?!...we make them look slow, we make them look weak.
no SEC can't be this good ya'll say, it must be ohio st. is the weak one, it can't be the sec... the fact is, you all just have confrence inferiority complex.
<HR style="COLOR: #fdde82" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->System went 31-6 ATS Last Two Years...
The SEC confence won the national championship last 2 years, but out of 37 confrence games, only 6 where desided by double didgits...
That should give you a fuckin hint on how tuff this division is, when we have the best team in the nation, but we can't have a easy game in our division, then we go into the national championship game and crush our much weaker opponete.
Ohio st. crushs their opponete's all year, then they get crushed by us, does that not prove a point?!?!?!?!...we make them look slow, we make them look weak.
no SEC can't be this good ya'll say, it must be ohio st. is the weak one, it can't be the sec... the fact is, you all just have confrence inferiority complex.
