Sorry SEC You're Not The Best

[OTK]

It's amazing how much people get offended when you even try to say the SEC might not be the best conference. What I find really hilarious is you will see Tennessee and Alabama fans extrememly into being able to call themselves the best conference when really it has nothing to do with their team. It's because of teams like Georiga, Florida, LSU and Auburn. Yes the strong point of the conference is their depth, but it isn't like their team is winning any championships, so they have absolutely nothing to brag about. You can call yourself the 5th-6th best team in a top conference? Congrats, I'm sure Ohio St fans are just fine calling themselves the best team from a weaker conference and going to the title game every year.

I'm not here to argue that the SEC isn't the top, because they are, but it really means nothing. LSU, and Florida are the teams that can brag from the SEC because they won the National Championship the last two years. Tennessee, Alabama, Vandy, Georgia etc haven't won shit in a while. Georgia has a great team this year and could possibly win, but them and Florida are the only title contenders this year from the SEC and I personally think their might be 3 teams better than them (OU, USC and OSU).

Sorry to break up the long, pointless arguement though, carry on.

 

[GoSooners]

Do you have any money to say TN will not be in top 10 this season?

Tennessee is a good darkhorse team this year to win the SEC...14 starters back from the team that made it to the SEC title game. Much of it depends on if Jonathan Crompton can come through for them..

 

[golffish]

Tennessee is a good darkhorse team this year to win the SEC...14 starters back from the team that made it to the SEC title game. Much of it depends on if Jonathan Crompton can come through for them..

Go Sooners,

I think the bigger question for Tenn is how the defensive line holds up. Coaching staff is very comfortable with Crompton.

BOL this season and always look forward to your Big 12 analysis and picks.

 

[JoshKnows46]

It's amazing how much people get offended when you even try to say the SEC might not be the best conference. What I find really hilarious is you will see Tennessee and Alabama fans extrememly into being able to call themselves the best conference when really it has nothing to do with their team. It's because of teams like Georiga, Florida, LSU and Auburn. Yes the strong point of the conference is their depth, but it isn't like their team is winning any championships, so they have absolutely nothing to brag about. You can call yourself the 5th-6th best team in a top conference? Congrats, I'm sure Ohio St fans are just fine calling themselves the best team from a weaker conference and going to the title game every year.

I'm not here to argue that the SEC isn't the top, because they are, but it really means nothing. LSU, and Florida are the teams that can brag from the SEC because they won the National Championship the last two years. Tennessee, Alabama, Vandy, Georgia etc haven't won shit in a while. Georgia has a great team this year and could possibly win, but them and Florida are the only title contenders this year from the SEC and I personally think their might be 3 teams better than them (OU, USC and OSU).

Sorry to break up the long, pointless arguement though, carry on.

it is pointless, I get more angry having to talk about it, then the argument itself...

Georgia and Florida are the two best teams in the nation, but LSU has the best chance to come out with only one lose in that confrence, with their schedule...Georgia is probly the best team in the nation, but they will not excape that schedule with less than 3 loses, possibly four.

Texas and Oklahoma are the next tier....one probly wont make it, the other will becuase Ohio st. has to be in the championship every year, Ohio st. could lose to USC in week 2, but they won't drop far, and they won't lose another game after that one, so they are in the championship game again, which makes me sick, becuase they aren't close to the 1-2nd best teams.

It'll be texas/oklahoma vs Ohio St.....don't think a sec team makes it thru this year, if one does it will be either lsu or florida, no way is georgia in this game.

 

[JoshKnows46]

Go Sooners,

I think the bigger question for Tenn is how the defensive line holds up. Coaching staff is very comfortable with Crompton.

BOL this season and always look forward to your Big 12 analysis and picks.

yep, biggest question mark is their defensive line...

 

[GoSooners]

Go Sooners,

I think the bigger question for Tenn is how the defensive line holds up. Coaching staff is very comfortable with Crompton.

BOL this season and always look forward to your Big 12 analysis and picks.

Much also depends on what Georgia does on the same side of the division, with having to travel to LSU, Auburn and Florida..It may be hard for the Dawgs to get out of the SEC with less than 2 losses. If Tennessee can knock off Florida at home it could get interesting in that division.

 

[golffish]

Much also depends on what Georgia does on the same side of the division, with having to travel to LSU, Auburn and Florida..It may be hard for the Dawgs to get out of the SEC with less than 2 losses. If Tennessee can knock off Florida at home it could get interesting in that division.

You are exactly right. Tenn is definitely a live darkhorse for the Eastern Div IMO. My surprise SEC team this year is Ole Miss. I don't think they can win the West, but they should do very well ATS this year IMO. Orgeron recruited some good players to Ole Miss and I think Nutt is a very underrated coach.

 

[Conan]

USC would never make it thru an sec scehdule and you know it, so give it a rest....Miles challenged USC last year, they don't want to play us..your team is scarrrred.

LSU's OOC opponents over last 8 years

ASU (2005 @ Tempe... their only away trip with any distance)
Zona
N.Texas
App.St.
LA Monroe
LA Lafayette
W.Carolina
Houston
UAB
Utah St.
Tulane
MTSU
Citadel
Miami (Oh)
W.Illinois
Ark.St.
Troy
Oregon St. (@LSU - score 22-21)

USC's OOC opponents over last 8 years

Notre Dame (7x)
Ohio St.
Arkansas
Nebraska
Auburn
Ks. St.
VA Tech.
Colorado
BYU
Penn St.
VA
Hawaii
Idaho

Pretty obvious who takes on the big schools and who avoids them year after year. LSU has no defense for this as well as some other discrepancies that I will elaborate on here.

Miles NEVER challenged USC to play a game. He just talked some shit about the Pac-10 that pissed off a lot of people, then he wailed on the B-12. And it didn't stop there... Miles then ripped into an 11 year old girl when he said this after his Pac-10 & B-12 remarks:

“Never…and I mean never…have I seen such a thoroughly mediocre and pisspoor performance by a child in all aspects of her life as in Hayley Lafontaine. I’ve had the opportunity to watch plenty of kids in my life, but none have disappointed me–and the whole fucking world, actually–than that little pigtailed bag of crapshit, Hayley Lafontaine.”

Fucking incredible.

You could never prove that USC backed out of any deal with LSU because it would never happen. If nobody in the SEC could shut Miles mouth up, USC would have gladly done it and wanted to but we know who ended up playing for the NC and what happened then.

Are you sure you want to side with a punk-ass mouth like him? He deserves a good beat down and I'd like to see it happen. If nobody in the SEC can do it, I'm sure USC would love to take a shot.

 

[GoSooners]

Texas and Oklahoma are the next tier....one probly wont make it, the other will becuase Ohio st. has to be in the championship every year, Ohio st. could lose to USC in week 2, but they won't drop far, and they won't lose another game after that one, so they are in the championship game again, which makes me sick, becuase they aren't close to the 1-2nd best teams.

It'll be texas/oklahoma vs Ohio St.....don't think a sec team makes it thru this year, if one does it will be either lsu or florida, no way is georgia in this game.

Well, as usual I think you're wrong in just about everything you said. The only thing you could be halfway right about is OU/Texas being the next tier. I still have some questions about OU defensively this year. If their new starters don't live up to billing then they'll be a notch below the other major powers. If they come through then OU will be right up there with the best. Pretty much the same with Texas..But the team you are way underestimating is Ohio State...It was a nice victory by LSU over OSU last year in their own backyard bowl. But OSU had no less than 8 sophomores playing on that team...They actually had just about the kind of performance that I thought they would have. They jumped all over LSU but couldn't hold their momentum in that game..Much of that has to do with the level of competetion they faced through the year..But much has to do with inexperience...OSU will be a much better team this year. Personally, I don't think they are being given nearly enough respect in the polls or on this board. Their big problem is they have to go to USC this year..But if they should beat the Trojans in their backyard, I personally think it's over..They're going to win the National Championship. I think your going to find this OSU team to be better than both of the last two teams who lost in the BCS title game.

 

[GoSooners]

You are exactly right. Tenn is definitely a live darkhorse for the Eastern Div IMO. My surprise SEC team this year is Ole Miss. I don't think they can win the West, but they should do very well ATS this year IMO. Orgeron recruited some good players to Ole Miss and I think Nutt is a very underrated coach.

LSUPete said the same thing about Ole Miss. And he knows his SEC stuff....I'm definitely going to be looking for my spots with this team...I feel the same way about Nutt...Underrated as a coach.

 

[JoshKnows46]

Conan, I personally hate les miles, as a coach and as a person, but he has tryed many times to get USC on our scehdule, and they want no part of it, this is the facts...


LSU plays in the SEC, They have anuff tuff teams to play in confrence....if USC was in the SEC, they would be a middle of the pack team, they are not tuff anuff.

You think USC can play LSU, florida and georgia, and the other sec teams with out coming out with 2-3 loses every year, your fuckin delusional.....we have the best coaches, and the best players in the nation, nuff said.

i'm done talking about it....

 

[JoshKnows46]

Much also depends on what Georgia does on the same side of the division, with having to travel to LSU, Auburn and Florida..It may be hard for the Dawgs to get out of the SEC with less than 2 losses. If Tennessee can knock off Florida at home it could get interesting in that division.

Dawgs have a minimum of 3 loses this year.....they have to travel to the hot ass desert to face arizona st, after traveling to so. cal...back to back road games, 2nd one in the desert.

then they have At lsu, back home to face florida, @ kentuky, and then @ auburn, then last game in geogia to face georgia tech.

3-4 loses guarenteed, and I'll be on everyone of those underdog ML's.

 

[GoSooners]

Dawgs have a minimum of 3 loses this year.....they have to travel to the hot ass desert to face arizona st, after traveling to so. cal.

then they have At lsu, back home to face florida, @ kentuky, and then @ auburn, then last game in geogia to face georgia tech.

3-4 loses guarenteed, and I'll be on everyone of those underdog ML's.

You're not going to use heat as an excuse are you if Arizona State beats Georgia?

 

[JoshKnows46]

You're not going to use heat as an excuse are you if Arizona State beats Georgia?

Back to back road games, and the heat is defintly a plus....I won't be using any excuses becuase I'll be betting arizona st., and i don't give a shit if they win or lose, just as long as they cover, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them beat georgia....I'll be on the UnderDog Ml, but I'll have much more on a spread play.

I Know Arizona st. covers this spread before it is even put out, why?, becuase JoshKNOWS.

College Fb betting is all about spots, and situations....its eazzzy.

 

[guitarjosh]

Conan, I personally hate les miles, as a coach and as a person, but he has tryed many times to get USC on our scehdule, and they want no part of it, this is the facts...


LSU plays in the SEC, They have anuff tuff teams to play in confrence....if USC was in the SEC, they would be a middle of the pack team, they are not tuff anuff.

You think USC can play LSU, florida and georgia, and the other sec teams with out coming out with 2-3 loses every year, your fuckin delusional.....we have the best coaches, and the best players in the nation, nuff said.

i'm done talking about it....

USC has 2 losses most years. They would do about the same in the SEC as they do in the Pac-10

 

[golffish]

LSUPete said the same thing about Ole Miss. And he knows his SEC stuff....I'm definitely going to be looking for my spots with this team...I feel the same way about Nutt...Underrated as a coach.

I also look for North Carolina to be a surprise team in the ACC. Butch Davis has put together a very good staff and Blake is one of the top recruiters in the country IMO. You might also look at them in a few spots.

 

[JoshKnows46]

USC has 2 losses most years. They would do about the same in the SEC as they do in the Pac-10

they'd have 2 loses minimum every year, and they wouldn't walk over anyone....if you play in a sec scehdule, you'll get beat up, their is no cake walks, we hit you in the mouth, we hit hard, we're big country fed boys....and you can not, not show up for a game like they do in the pac 10...they would be middle of the pack in this confrence......they are no longer much faster than their weaker oponete's, SEC speed is on another level, only way to explain it, just watch the games.

 

[GoSooners]

I also look for North Carolina to be a surprise team in the ACC. Butch Davis has put together a very good staff and Blake is one of the top recruiters in the country IMO. You might also look at them in a few spots.

Butch Davis is an old Oklahoma boy, and has always been one of my favorite coaches..I obviously hated Blake as a head coach. But he is a hell of a recruiter..I expect some big things out of Davis while he's there...I suspect he'll be moving on to bigger and better things once he gets North Carolina straightened out.

 

[Conan]

Conan, I personally hate les miles, as a coach and as a person, but he has tryed many times to get USC on our scehdule, and they want no part of it, this is the facts...


LSU plays in the SEC, They have anuff tuff teams to play in confrence....if USC was in the SEC, they would be a middle of the pack team, they are not tuff anuff.

You think USC can play LSU, florida and georgia, and the other sec teams with out coming out with 2-3 loses every year, your fuckin delusional.....we have the best coaches, and the best players in the nation, nuff said.

i'm done talking about it....

OK, I'll call you on it. Show me an article, something where LSU challenged USC and got turned down. If it was possible without previous commitments, it would happen... just prove yourself with an article or two from a reliable source.

As far as how they would do in the SEC, that's debatable. No school can reload and be equally strong year to year but to say that USC isn't in a class of its own with at LEAST as good a talent pool to recruit from is nothing but southern fried egotistical arrogance.

I don't want to get into another pissing match over what area of the country has the best prep players but I will tell you that Southern California rates as high if not higher than anywhere. So with that being said, how do you figure USC couldn't make it in the SEC? They lose a game or 2 a year often enough in the conference they play in, shit, even teams like Oregon St. show up and give the LSU Tigers more than they bargained for in their own back yard. But it proves nothing other than what we all know which is that on a given Saturday, a lot of unexpected things are possible. I think there's a better chance that more top SEC teams will lose more games in a given year if USC played in the SEC then for USC to be a middle of the pack team in that conference.

Bottom line is that since Carroll arrived at USC, there is no team that has reloaded as well and beaten as many ranked opponents from everywhere as USC has. Prove me wrong if you doubt it. But if it's too much for your ego to handle, at least prove that they turned down a home-home series with LSU. At this point you sound more like a 1/2 drunk southern fried egotist who can't see anything and knows nothing beyond the last waffle house on the way out of town.

 

[JoshKnows46]

Your argument is dumb. You and every other rational person take your pick … an cake-walk conference schedule (8-9 games) and a couple few "tough non-conference games' OR would you take a brutal conference schedule and a couple few cake-walk games? I don’t think there’s an argument there.

Also, it’s HILARIOUS to me that people with talk up Notre Dame and call them a “tough non-conference opponent”, but when they are selected to play LSU in the Sugar Bowl, all we hear is how they don’t belong because they are overrated and are way outmatched. There’s no doubt they are overrated and were outmatched, but if that’s the case, don’t use the exact opposite argument when you beat them and call them a “tough non-conference opponent” when they clearly were not.