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here's some CDO holdings for the banks

Below are the top issuers of CDOs so far this year,
according to Bernstein Research (value in billions of
dollars):

TOP GLOBAL CDO ISSUERS

Bookrunners Value Market share (%)
1 Merrill Lynch $32.176 17.2
2 Citi 26.578 14.2
3 UBS 21.151 11.3
4 Wachovia 12.505 6.7
5 ABN AMRO 10.849 5.8
6 Goldman Sachs 10.075 5.4
7 Banc of America 8.634 4.6
8 Deutsche Bank 8.231 4.4
9 RBS 7.154 3.8
10 Lehman Brothers 6.575 3.5
11 Morgan Stanley 6.277 3.3
 

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Financials should further weigh down the market here in the early going to wipe away the eco data being released-Ill let Willie do the honors.

I see broad profit taking and risk reassessment across the boards.

Could be scary.

comeon basehead don't go bearish on me, dow still over 13k

buy, buy, buy!! :aktion033

bargain hunting time :party:
 

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actually think things might be bottoming here

inverse head and shoulders on the daily might see a nice pop now

time for more squeezes?

we'll see if it can bust through 13150 on the dow to the upside with conviction, that's the line in the sand looks like
 

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comeon basehead don't go bearish on me, dow still over 13k

buy, buy, buy!! :aktion033

bargain hunting time :party:

Atta boy, dats the spirit! :money8:

PS: to management, you should change the above "smilie" to Euros, eh?

hola
 

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These Porky Paul "gold standard" surrender-monkeys are hilarious. Reading their posts, one would have to conclude they would love nothing more than to make us all slaves to South American gold mining cartels. Hence the pom-pom waving for bears....Russian bears, Chinese bears -- and camels too!! :ohno:

There is a reason why our dollar is valued against full American productivity, rather than a single commodity, and no, it's not some dark evil 'conspiracy.' The Gold standard is the biggest anti-growth policy that anyone could ever devise -- that's why no country uses the Gold standard. If you artificially limit your money supply to the amount of gold rock you have, your economy can't grow! We've gone from a $1 trillion economy to a $12 trillion economy in a short couple decades.

That's a lot of 'gold.' :thumbsup:

A few books on Austrian economics, and these "Libertarian" stoners think they're got it all figured out.

:nohead:
 

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well looks like it is failing at the neckline of the inverse head and shoulders which is bad news for bulls

bearish action continues
 

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These Porky Paul "gold standard" surrender-monkeys are hilarious. Reading their posts, one would have to conclude they would love nothing more than to make us all slaves to South American gold mining cartels. Hence the pom-pom waving for bears....Russian bears, Chinese bears -- and camels too!! :ohno:

There is a reason why our dollar is valued against full American productivity, rather than a single commodity, and no, it's not some dark evil 'conspiracy.' The Gold standard is the biggest anti-growth policy that anyone could ever devise -- that's why no country uses it anymore. If you artificially limit your money supply to the amount of gold rock you have, your economy can't grow! We've gone from a $1 trillion economy to a $12 trillion economy in a short couple decades.

That's a lot of 'gold.' :thumbsup:

A few books on Austrian economics, and these "Libertarian" stoners think they're got it all figured out.

:nohead:

this is a "warning" thread joe, its not about rooting it on, i see a spot i'm gonna take it down

the economy is heading for a recession that much is pretty damn clear to anybody paying attention

plus china will fall harder than we do anyway, they boomed more than us so they will bust more than us, it will be a g

global recession

the main question is how bad is it gonna be

and also....gold has nothing to do with what i said above

i think gold bulls will get crushed just as badly as you are seeing the PM market get hit pretty good again today
 

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anybody ever hear of the Structured High Interest Taxable Derivatives?
i think these are worse than the CDO's.
 

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this is a "warning" thread joe, its not about rooting it on, i see a spot i'm gonna take it down

the economy is heading for a recession that much is pretty damn clear to anybody paying attention

plus china will fall harder than we do anyway, they boomed more than us so they will bust more than us, it will be a g

global recession

the main question is how bad is it gonna be

and also....gold has nothing to do with what i said above

i think gold bulls will get crushed just as badly as you are seeing the PM market get hit pretty good again today

Recessions are like a good dump. Perfectly natural and a great cleanser! :103631605
 

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well the boom prior to this coming one i forsee wasn't natural with crapton of credit expansion and high risk bets placed

so i expect the recession to follow won't be that pretty

man look at the yen carry trade unwind

http://www.forexdirectory.net/jpy.html
 

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anybody ever hear of the Structured High Interest Taxable Derivatives?
i think these are worse than the CDO's.

yeah SIVs are another problem as well

from earlier this week

C has some extremely bad crap on the books....

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Citigroup SIVs Draw $7.6 Billion of Emergency Funds (Update2)

By Neil Unmack and Jody Shenn

Nov. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Citigroup Inc., the largest U.S. bank by assets, provided $7.6 billion of emergency financing to the seven structured investment vehicles it runs after they were unable to repay maturing debt.

The SIVs drew on the $10 billion of so-called committed liquidity provided by Citigroup, according to a Securities and Exchange Commission filing yesterday. Shares fell to the lowest since 2003.

Citigroup's disclosure came a day after it announced as much as $11 billion of debt writedowns linked to U.S. subprime mortgages, and the resignation of Chief Executive Officer Charles O. ``Chuck'' Prince III. The New York-based bank also said in the SEC filing that the amount of securities it owns that are considered hardest to value, known as Level 3 assets, rose 42 percent in the third quarter to $135 billion.

``This company, if it were any other company, would probably be considered to be operating in an unsafe and unsound condition,'' said Josh Rosner, managing director at New York- based investment research firm Graham Fisher & Co.

SIVs sell commercial paper to buy longer term assets such as mortgage or bank bonds. Citigroup SIVs have no direct investments in subprime assets and $70 million of ``indirect exposure'' through collateralized debt obligations, or bonds that package debt, according to the filing, based on figures as of Oct. 31.

Avoiding Fire Sale

Citigroup purchased the commercial paper from the SIVs it advises ``on arms' length commercial terms'' as part of its existing commercial paper programs, Jon Diat, a Citigroup spokesman in New York, said in an e-mailed statement today.

The bank won't consolidate the assets of the SIVs on its balance sheet, according to the filing.

Citigroup created the first SIV in 1988 and is the largest manager of the companies. The bank, along with JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Bank of America Corp., agreed last month to start an $80 billion fund to help SIVs avoid dumping their $320 billion of holdings at fire sale prices and further roiling credit markets.

Citigroup fell $1.16, or 3.23 percent, to $34.74 at 12:30 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading, after declining 4.9 percent yesterday. The stock had dropped more than 35 percent this year before today. Only National City Corp. and Washington Mutual Inc. had posted bigger losses of the 24 companies in the KBW Banks Index.

LTCM Experience

Credit-default swaps tied to Citigroup bonds traded at the highest level in at least five years yesterday, suggesting investor confidence is eroding. The contracts, used to speculate on a borrower's ability to repay debt, rise as the perception of credit quality deteriorates. The contracts fell 2 basis points to 70 basis points today, according to Phoenix Partners Group in New York.

Citigroup named Richard Stuckey, 51, to manage most of its $43 billion of subprime mortgage assets, the same executive who helped unwind hedge fund Long-Term Capital Management LP's bad bets nine years ago.

Investors are refusing to buy commercial paper, loans due in 270 days or less, from some SIVs because they are concerned about the value of the mortgage securities, asset-backed debt and finance company bonds they own.

U.S. asset-backed commercial paper shrank for 12 straight weeks to a seasonally adjusted $874.7 billion last week, the lowest since April 2006, according to the Federal Reserve in Washington.

`Backing Away'

``Citigroup has one of the more established bank-sponsored SIVs in the sector,'' said Priya Shah, a structured credit analyst at Dresdner Kleinwort in London. ``If they are drawing on their liquidity it shows that investors are backing away from the sector as a whole and they are not really differentiating.''

The largest of Citigroup's SIVs is Centauri Corp., with $20 billion of assets, according to the filing. The six other companies are Beta Finance Corp., Dorada Corp., Five Finance Corp., Sedna Finance Corp., Vetra Finance Corp. and Zela Finance Corp. All are based in the Cayman Islands.

Citigroup's SIVs sold $19 billion of assets between July and the end of September, reducing their assets to $83 billion from just over $100 billion, according to the filing. About 98 percent of the companies' assets are fully funded through the end of 2007, the filing said.

Citigroup said it doesn't own any of the SIVs' capital notes, which rank below the senior commercial paper and first in line for losses.
 

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Would Ron Paul wage war against the South American gold miners ("no distinction between gold miners and those who harbor them") in order to sustain our current standard of living and GDP that we've enjoyed for over a century?

C'mon tiznow, as his campaign spokesman, you gotta know this. Inquiring minds want to know.

:nohead:
 

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what are you talking about?

in my view ron paul's finances are going to take a licking as this thing goes pop

he's not disversified as everyone should be, i have gold, i have longs, but i also have a ton of shorts right now

miners are his core holding and will get crushed i think

this was a global boom across the board

i expect commodities (the miners themselves moreso I only hold physical right now) to go down with everything else
 

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anybody ever hear of the Structured High Interest Taxable Derivatives?
i think these are worse than the CDO's.

Actually, i was just trying to lighten the mood in here. see below re:
Structured High Investment Taxable Derivatives.

hehe.

Structured High Interest Taxable Derivatives, or
SHIT, are leveraged an infinite amount of times through the innovative use of derivatives.

"Its an actively managed, unlimited liability, open ended investment with no maturity date, which pays LIBOR plus 5,000 and has no correlation to
traditional investments" said a spokesman for the Investment Dealer who engineered the product.


"It's based on a CDO structure, but it's designed to default BEFORE the first coupon payment, which you'll agree has no correlation with stodgy traditional investments and is a perfect fit for portable alpha scams, er, strategies." Following the default, each month more leverage is added to the structure to pay for the coupon and the Dealer's fees which are set at 80%.
"We feel the fees are reasonable, given the adrenaline rush you'll get each month attempting to mark these."
 

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tiznow, I'm talking about after we implement the gold standard, the economic system so often touted in this thread and elsewhere -- the one Paulestinians swear by.
 

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tiznow, I'm talking about after we implement the gold standard, the economic system so often touted in this thread and elsewhere -- the one Paulestinians swear by.

it won't be implemented unless things get really bad and people realize the fiat credit expansion was to blame for the extreme bust

gold standard has nothing to do with what is going on right now and has nothing to do with the current market conditions which is what this thread is about.

plus the central banking system we have is the root of the problem, not the lack of a gold standard.
 

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Actually, i was just trying to lighten the mood in here. see below re:
Structured High Investment Taxable Derivatives.

hehe.

Structured High Interest Taxable Derivatives, or
SHIT, are leveraged an infinite amount of times through the innovative use of derivatives.

"Its an actively managed, unlimited liability, open ended investment with no maturity date, which pays LIBOR plus 5,000 and has no correlation to
traditional investments" said a spokesman for the Investment Dealer who engineered the product.


"It's based on a CDO structure, but it's designed to default BEFORE the first coupon payment, which you'll agree has no correlation with stodgy traditional investments and is a perfect fit for portable alpha scams, er, strategies." Following the default, each month more leverage is added to the structure to pay for the coupon and the Dealer's fees which are set at 80%.
"We feel the fees are reasonable, given the adrenaline rush you'll get each month attempting to mark these."

oops my bad

funny stuff :nohead:
 

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oops my bad

funny stuff :nohead:

the thing is, take out some of the obviously ridiculous statements and replace them with equally benign statements, nobody would know the difference...these institutions have been incredibly careless.

nobody would come rescue my ass if i got myself into such a credit crunch, i hope the gov't. doesn't take it out of our pockets to keep one of the big ones from going down.
 

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the thing is, take out some of the obviously ridiculous statements and replace them with equally benign statements, nobody would know the difference...these institutions have been incredibly careless.

nobody would come rescue my ass if i got myself into such a credit crunch, i hope the gov't. doesn't take it out of our pockets to keep one of the big ones from going down.

they will try don't worry

but will the people revolt?

that is the question.

as a nation we are now sitting on 9 trillion of debt, baby boomers set to retire with not enough savings, social security and medicare a total mess, and the younger generation is waking up to what is going on. Are they just gonna sit there and take it in the ass with huge taxes and they won't see a dime of when they get old?

in the past they were able to get away with the bailouts, S&L bailouts etc but this time i'm not so sure, and i believe the problem is much bigger than in the recent past, will be interesting to see what the masses do if the fallout does indeed get very very bad.
 

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