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Very complex problem, individual rights vs the good of society.

One thing that changes the rules is welfare. If a person is going to accept govt. monies they lose some of their individual freedoms.
 

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I will say the one good thing about pro-lifers is that it's nice to see them want to foot the bill for something other than a 'strong military'.
 

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I will say the one good thing about pro-lifers is that it's nice to see them want to foot the bill for something other than a 'strong military'.

Do they? As far as I can see, many pro-lifers are against welfare, which is where many of the unwanted babies will end up on, together with their moms who may or may not have had a decent job except for the unplanned child.
 

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So in 2200, do we start euthanasia on the elderly? Hell, let's start at age 55, you know when you're officially a "senior." Maybe we can get an extra 100 years that way?

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Quick:

ARE THE ELDERY ALIVE IN SOMEONE ELSES BODY?

DO THE ELDERLY DEPEND ON A HOST HUMAN FOR ITS SURVIVAL?

IF YOU ARE ELDERY, WOULD NOT YOU PARENTS ALREADY BE DEAD?


The analogy you are using is weak as fuck. Its apples and oranges to say the least. A elderly person is an adult and therefore makes his or her own decisions and just cant be "terminated."

An infant on the other hand cannot develop without the care or a mother and the biological support of the mother. Thus the survival totally depends on the mother taking this responsibility. So, its the mothers choice in what action takes place. End of story.
 

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I am beginning to take the same view as the Catholic Church. Let make more and more of em. Somebody's gotta keep paying more and more FICA tax or my checks will start bouncing
 

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ZIT, your critique of my above posts is not without merit.

But I'm unashamedly demanding that in the 21st century USA, a female (and males) must meet some kind of minimum standard to enjoy the right to manufacture new consumers.

Would have no problem extending that to females who are caught in the country illegally. Forced sterilization so you can't pop an anchor baby.

Show up at a hospital as a pregnant illegal immigrant?

Instant state funded abortion.



The fact that anyone would say this makes me nauseous. Sure I'm bothered by our tax dollars being allocated to funds helping parents who were never in an appropriate position to have a child in the first place, but you have no morals. Most simply put, no human should ever have any control over another human's RIGHT to reproduce. You can hate them for doing it, but who the f**k do you think you are to control... life?
 

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The fact that anyone would say this makes me nauseous. Sure I'm bothered by our tax dollars being allocated to funds helping parents who were never in an appropriate position to have a child in the first place, but you have no morals. Most simply put, no human should ever have any control over another human's RIGHT to reproduce. You can hate them for doing it, but who the f**k do you think you are to control... life?

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The stroke job continues and yet more and more keep piling on. Irony. Its a funny thing.
 

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Do they? As far as I can see, many pro-lifers are against welfare, which is where many of the unwanted babies will end up on, together with their moms who may or may not have had a decent job except for the unplanned child.

Exactly. This is where the hypocrisy lies. If they really want to end abortion, then be prepared to deal with even more welfare and government spending programs.
 

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Whoa, Tiz. Its a good thing we haven't heard you talk about this episode before.
 

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just tossing in a bit of humor in the middle of the typical nasty abortion discussion....
 

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So let me get this straight. Pelosi is in favor of eliminating future votes for her party?

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just tossing in a bit of humor in the middle of the typical nasty abortion discussion....


And im just breaking your Iowan balls.
 

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So let me get this straight. Pelosi is in favor of eliminating future votes for her party?

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sure, why not? they'll be gaining 5-10M guaranteed votes when they grant amnesty to illegals by 2011

btw, anti-abortion myself (is there a bigger lefty euphemism than pro-choice which should, of course, be pro-abortion) but also feel the govt has no right to make laws regarding the issue. states do, feds do not
 

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So let me get this straight. Pelosi is in favor of eliminating future votes for her party?

:think2:


If that is how you look at it then that is just putting principal over monetary gains. Because after all the whole idea of putting together a base is to keep your seat and keep you getting paid (last time i checked these people were not working for free). So most politicians will sell out their principals in order to save their seat. Again, and i have said this over and over again...this is a microcosm of the world we live in today. Wealth or financial stability trumps all. The ends always justify the means in the eyes of society at large. So if this is Pelosi's angle then i applaud her for it. Im not a Democrat but i am a social liberal and to me someone willing to put the needs of the country over the needs of themselves is what defines a statesmen.
 

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If that is how you look at it then that is just putting principal over monetary gains. Because after all the whole idea of putting together a base is to keep your seat and keep you getting paid (last time i checked these people were not working for free). So most politicians will sell out their principals in order to save their seat. Again, and i have said this over and over again...this is a microcosm of the world we live in today. Wealth or financial stability trumps all. The ends always justify the means in the eyes of society at large. So if this is Pelosi's angle then i applaud her for it. Im not a Democrat but i am a social liberal and to me someone willing to put the needs of the country over the needs of themselves is what defines a statesmen.

you just said pelosi and statesman in the same paragraph :puke1:
 

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sure, why not? they'll be gaining 5-10M guaranteed votes when they grant amnesty to illegals by 2011

btw, anti-abortion myself (is there a bigger lefty euphemism than pro-choice which should, of course, be pro-abortion) but also feel the govt has no right to make laws regarding the issue. states do, feds do not


First of all the Neocon (yes i know your not one) leadership fumbled the ball on illegals on purpose and we both know why...lobby man said to. So lets not pretend that this is a partisan issue.

Secondly, i like you have always been favor of Rowe v Wade being abolished. And then giving the true choice to the states. Its about time these states started to sink or swim on their own and in order to let them do so, they need to be able to be competitive.
 

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you just said pelosi and statesman in the same paragraph :puke1:

If what she is doing putting the country before her wheel house then that is exactly what she is (in that regard anyway). Believe me, the spending whore doesnt get the nod on much else. with that said, Tizzy... unlike most here, i tend to think for myself, therefore i am. I am an independent free thinker who base my decisions not on party lines, not on ideology, not on spiritual matters nor on environmental agendas... but logic and logic only. Party's (as you know) are only for the weak and for those who need labels to do thinking for them.
 

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A little off topic....does anyone know, when a pregnant mother is murdered, is the suspect charged with one or two counts of murder? Does it matter the age of the fetus?
 

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