Pelosi says birth control will help economy...

[tiznow]

A little off topic....does anyone know, when a pregnant mother is murdered, is the suspect charged with one or two counts of murder? Does it matter the age of the fetus?

double homicide

 

[Daheavy1]

double homicide

Thanks Tiz.

If the fetus' lungs aren't developed, shouldn't it only be one count of murder, based on earlier discussion in this thread?

 

[tiznow]

well i think it goes back to the whole

"women's right to choose" type deal

like i think they put that in so if like some guy kicks a pregnant woman's stomach causing a miscarriage or something he can be charged with murder

as usual with abortion its a cloudy issue.....

as for time frame i dunno.....

 

[barman]

Interesting discussion, but as far as I can see the point in question was funds for contraceptions. Is there anything to be said against promoting the use of contraceptions in order to limit the number of unwanted pregnancies? If yes then I haven't heard it yet.

Nice catch.

The ardent anti-abortion crowd will always decipher increased funding for contraception and sex education to be solely a pitch for increased abortions.

 

[barman]

Willie, in how many cases is what is terminated a "living, breathing infant"?

Less than 2% of all abortions are third trimester and a handful of those might - with a real stretch of imagination - be deemed "living and breathing".

80% of abortions within the USA occur in the first trimester and remove either an embryo weighing a few ounces or a fetus that might approach one pound.

Yet the ardent anti-abortionists portray all aborted embyros as Little Johnny in a sailor suit or Little Janey in an Easter dress.

 

[barman]

Oh brother, posting pics like that? The thing is a burden on society,
just kill it.

A sentiment with which few sensible people could argue.

 

[barman]

The mother was anesthetized but somehow this 21 month old fetus was strong enough and just reached out and grabbed the doctors finger right?

I'm sure the surgery existed, but I call BS on the fetus "grabbing" the finger of the doctor.

Ayuh...one of the more classic ficticious claims of anti-abortion zealots

 

[barman]

Your date is arbitrary. A baby murdered at 4 months feels just as much
pain, as a baby murdered at 5 months.

And a woman who is able to terminate an unwanted pregnancy at 5 months is as equally relieved about her future as a woman who terminates a pregnancy at 4 months.

God Bless America

 

[barman]

. Many teen's are having babies by the dozens, what can you do about these girl's?


edge

Being as a female can only be a "teenager" for six years, how can she possibly be "having babies by the dozens"?

 

[barman]

This has to be the best story that i ever read. What a gifted doctor this man is. To read what he did when the baby grabbed his hand made my whole body melt from head to toe.

The story of Hansel and Gretel made my whole body melt from head to toe too, especially when they got over on the old witch.

Fairy Tales Are Fun!

 

[barman]

The fact that anyone would say this makes me nauseous. Sure I'm bothered by our tax dollars being allocated to funds helping parents who were never in an appropriate position to have a child in the first place, but you have no morals. Most simply put, no human should ever have any control over another human's RIGHT to reproduce. You can hate them for doing it, but who the f**k do you think you are to control... life?

Go easy, mate.

My faceitious suggestions yesterday were a huge success in triggering a bevy of post traffic to our humble PoliticoPub.

I of course would never support state mandated abortion.

But I do honestly stand by my sincere belief that using tax dollars to reward people for getting tubal ligations and vasectomies would be a huge boon to our overall community health and welfare.

 

[barman]

A little off topic....does anyone know, when a pregnant mother is murdered, is the suspect charged with one or two counts of murder? Does it matter the age of the fetus?

It varies by jurisdiction. But in general, within the United States of America, only the pregnant female can opt to terminate an an embryo or fetus within her.

If another person does the job against her wishes, they can be subject to criminal charges.

 

[tiznow]

here's the true story behind the photo

http://www.snopes.com/photos/medical/thehand.asp

 

[Daheavy1]

It varies by jurisdiction. But in general, within the United States of America, only the pregnant female can opt to terminate an an embryo or fetus within her.

If another person does the job against her wishes, they can be subject to criminal charges.

Just seems a little contradicting....not a life within the first three months if the mother doesn't want it, but is a life within the first three months if someone besides the mother doesn't want it.

So the mother gets more rights....but didn't she have the right to keep her legs closed and prevent this from occurring in the beginning?

 

[barman]

So the mother gets more rights....

Correct

In The United States of America, a female is the ultimate authority on whether she will carry her own pregnancy to term.

 

[COVERIT!]

:nohead:

Quick:

ARE THE ELDERY ALIVE IN SOMEONE ELSES BODY?

DO THE ELDERLY DEPEND ON A HOST HUMAN FOR ITS SURVIVAL?

IF YOU ARE ELDERY, WOULD NOT YOU PARENTS ALREADY BE DEAD?


The analogy you are using is weak as fuck. Its apples and oranges to say the least. A elderly person is an adult and therefore makes his or her own decisions and just cant be "terminated."

An infant on the other hand cannot develop without the care or a mother and the biological support of the mother. Thus the survival totally depends on the mother taking this responsibility. So, its the mothers choice in what action takes place. End of story.

Apparently, you didn't read the post I responded to. Settle down fletch, go back, read.

 

[OnWisconsin]

nancy pelosi better watch out before she gets in trouble again.

 

[Muddy]

Pelosis Mother should have had an abortion

I agree
Nancy is a cocksukker

 

[fletchisrhsm]

Just seems a little contradicting....not a life within the first three months if the mother doesn't want it, but is a life within the first three months if someone besides the mother doesn't want it.

Common denominator. Woman's choice. I'm personally against, I really am. I would never ever want to be a part of one. But I cant make such choices for someone elses body, i just cant. Abortion is a touchy subject and i feel the emotion on each side, so if your for it.... dont put yourself into a situation where you need one. If your against it and your passionate do something to help alleviate the situation. Adopt. lobby to get the guidelines for adoption to become easier. Do something besides stand in front of a clinic with a sign and pass judgment on people you dont know. My man Eric Schrody (who is a White Muslim) said it best...




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[barman]

I agree
Nancy is a cocksukker

I'm sure Mr Pelosi is grateful for that

She probably does a pretty decent tittybang too, if you wanna take a sudden turn down that road.