Pelosi says birth control will help economy...

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Your date is arbitrary. A baby murdered at 4 months feels just as much pain, as a baby murdered at 5 months.
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Fletch:

Really? How do you know?

the real question that just blows my mind is that YOU don't know. sad day for your soul my friend, very sad....


edge

Your walking dangerous ground here fella. "Hope" and "faith" are not going to get you out of this scientific hole you buried yourself in. Because "friend", the sad part is you let your ideology, belief and Dogma rule your brain thus putting faith over your learned logic, and that is why you like so many are WRONG when it comes to the truth, because truth isnt arbitrary.

Obviously you dont know that the nervous system doesn't begin functioning until about the 20th week. In order to have the ability to feel pain a human must have a functioning nervous system, thus its IMPOSSIBLE for a fetus to feel pain prior to that point. Interestingly enough.... only 1.4% of abortions occur after the 20th week.

So its said....

A 4 month old fetus doesnt feel the same pain a 5 month old fetus (if the 5 montho ld fetus can feel anything at all).

NEXT....

 

[barman]

MJ, okay, if that is the case and there really exist laws that say termination of a fetus is homicide then the latter part of my first sentence applies - this law is wrong. To declare a fetus "alive" is simply scientific nonsense (but then science is not that popular in some parts of America, I gather).

Don't misunderstand me, I absolutely agree that terminating a pregnancy is a crime unless done by the pregnant woman or a doctor with her explicit consent, and if states decide that this crime should be punished like a homicide then that is their prerogative. But it can never be homicide.

P, you correctly note that upon critical challenge, it's fairly likely that the notion of a third party killing a fetus without the consent of the pregnant female would not hold up to constitutional challenge here in the USA.

However, such a challenge would require someone charged and/or convicted of such a crime to file a counter suit against the language of the pertinent law(s).

To date, no one's been willing, or seemingly able to submit such a challenge, though the number of people convicted of such a crime is extremely tiny.

 

[barman]

Bullshit. Can you please explain to me why pulling the head out of the vagina before you crush it's skull is a threat to the mother's life?

After that, Tell me how giving medical attention to a baby that's already living outside the womb is a threat to a mother's health?

Furthermore, there are many good organizations that help prevent unwanted pregnancies that aren't so callous about abortions. Most importantly, there are parents. That last thing this country needs is a quasi left wing organization guiding our youth. The more liberalism, the more poverty and the more broken families. The great society has done wonders to our inner cities, and there is an absolute undeniable timeline correlation.

Start by telling dads to raise their kids with their mothers, and change the incentives for welfare moms. That's family planning that means something.

I did not suggest forcing unwanted delivery of a third term fetus would be a danger to the woman's life (though it might, depending on various factors).

Rather, I suggested that for many of the 2000some females who have a third trimester abortion each year in the USA, it's a protectioon to their "future".

An unwanted baby can unduly shackle the future of a woman and also her existing family (if she has one). In many cases, ending the pregnancy - even in the dramatic final couple months of term - can save a future lifetime of unneeded financial and other drain.

Good news is that the number of third term abortions is shrinking yearly as we increase education and increase access to contraception and to first trimester abortions when needed.

 

[barman]

A women who makes such a late decision on having an abortion in my eye's is not a real women to begin with. If her future is so prominant and full of life, one might think that this sort of women might be smart enough to take PREVENTIVE measures to not get pregnant in the first place. What does a women this stupid have to offer a society when she is this ignorant to brth control? Oh wait, she is doing her part for society by helping control our population, what a gal....


edege

It's certainly preferable she make this difficult decision NOW instead of shackling herself and her family with an unwanted baby that could cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars in the subsequent 18 years.

 

[barman]

He said use a rubber,the pill or abstain "preventative" makes sense to me....Seems like a cheaper price to pay than fighting with guilt for the rest of your life.

While it's reasonable to state that many women choose to feel various levels of "guilt" following their choice to abort an unwanted embryo, it's also reasonable to state that for many women, it's the singular smartest decision they ever made and therefore they look back on the abortion as a very, very smart decision.

 

[barman]

:nono5:...yada yada.

And a big Welcome Back to the 2008 Runner Up for Kook of the Year!

 

[betedgeonly]

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Your date is arbitrary. A baby murdered at 4 months feels just as much pain, as a baby murdered at 5 months.

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Your walking dangerous ground here fella. "Hope" and "faith" are not going to get you out of this scientific hole you buried yourself in. Because "friend", the sad part is you let your ideology, belief and Dogma rule your brain thus putting faith over your learned logic, and that is why you like so many are WRONG when it comes to the truth, because truth isnt arbitrary.

Obviously you dont know that the nervous system doesn't begin functioning until about the 20th week. In order to have the ability to feel pain a human must have a functioning nervous system, thus its IMPOSSIBLE for a fetus to feel pain prior to that point. Interestingly enough.... only 1.4% of abortions occur after the 20th week.

So its said....

A 4 month old fetus doesnt feel the same pain a 5 month old fetus (if the 5 montho ld fetus can feel anything at all).

NEXT....

this is your reasoning for killing or ending life as you care to because you think that science say's it won't "feel it" ? Somthing is completely wrong with your opinion when a life of a human has begun, imo. I shall leave it at that....


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[Daheavy1]

While it's reasonable to state that many women choose to feel various levels of "guilt" following their choice to abort an unwanted embryo, it's also reasonable to state that for many women, it's the singular smartest decision they ever made and therefore they look back on the abortion as a very, very smart decision.

Do we have any women in this forum that could shed their view? Seems like this is a "woman" issue that is only receiving comments from men.

 

[OnWisconsin]

ah pelosi, your time grows short. anybody watch cafferty tonight? don't remember it word for word, but he asked a question about how people felt about pelosi. lot of bitter responses.

 

[barman]

Do we have any women in this forum that could shed their view? Seems like this is a "woman" issue that is only receiving comments from men.

I'm pretty sure that the majority of women who might visit this thread would agree that increased access to contraception and increased responsible birth control methods (per Pelosi's comments) would produce a positive impact on our society.

 

[barman]

ah pelosi, your time grows short. anybody watch cafferty tonight? don't remember it word for word, but he asked a question about how people felt about pelosi. lot of bitter responses.

So if the Democratic members of the House were to vote in a new Speaker to replace Pelosi, who do you think they would select?

 

[OnWisconsin]

So if the Democratic members of the House were to vote in a new Speaker to replace Pelosi, who do you think they would select?

i ain't gonna lie, i really don't know who's out there, but i'll follow the "anybody's gotta be better than her" thinking for now.

 

[barman]

Well the notion you posed infers that the Dem members of the US House would consider voting her out. I find that rather dubious. I'm pretty sure Ms Pelosi will be the SOH as long as she wants it.

 

[OnWisconsin]

Well the notion you posed infers that the Dem members of the US House would consider voting her out. I find that rather dubious. I'm pretty sure Ms Pelosi will be the SOH as long as she wants it.

no, wasn't inferring that, was stating that a lot of public sentiment is starting to be against her. already seeing -- and this is more of a feeling than anything -- the media steering the public perception about having such a partisan government. starting to feel a little more optimistic about 2010.

fucking a goddamn. :nohead: (referring to another thread)

 

[barman]

ohhhh....Well the "public sentiment" has often historically complained about either the SOH or the SML and it's rarely much of a factor.

All that matters is what the sitting Dems in the US House feel about Pelosi (in this case). And at this moment, it would certainly be astonishing to consider the Repubs regaining control of the US House in 2010.

But then again (as I now refer to another thread), big dreams get many of us through the night, eh?

 

[OnWisconsin]

ohhhh....Well the "public sentiment" has often historically complained about either the SOH or the SML and it's rarely much of a factor.

All that matters is what the sitting Dems in the US House feel about Pelosi (in this case). And at this moment, it would certainly be astonishing to consider the Repubs regaining control of the US House in 2010.

But then again (as I now refer to another thread), big dreams get many of us through the night, eh?

big dreams in a small town idea worked for obama. actually, i respect the way he's handled the job so far, but at the same time it ain't that hard. pretend like you care about both sides of the debate -- either way, you're gonna look good because you're side's gonna win. might as well look like you're listening. i still think the balance will shift in 2010 just by seeing the debate about this stimulus package. there were democrats who voted against it but not a single pub who voted for it. IMO, peolosi and reid will be the bush/cheney in '10.