Pelosi says birth control will help economy...

[OnWisconsin]

Common denominator. Woman's choice. I'm personally against, I really am. I would never ever want to be a part of one. But I cant make such choices for someone elses body, i just cant. Abortion is a touchy subject and i feel the emotion on each side, so if your for it.... dont put yourself into a situation where you need one. If your against it and your passionate do something to help alleviate the situation. Adopt. lobby to get the guidelines for adoption to become easier. Do something besides stand in front of a clinic with a sign and pass judgment on people you dont know. My man Eric Schrody (who is a White Muslim) said it best...




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that was actually one of the better posts. i didn't watch the video, too long. it is an issue that bitterly divides people. being pro life, you could give me the most intelligent argument for abortion as a birth control option, but you would never sway me of my opinion that it is morally wrong, and i am sure it goes the other way as well. it is an issue that will debated forever. speaking of protestors with signs, i hate seeing people do this as well. support the troops and end the war? instead of acting like fools in the street, why not donate some blood or send a soldier a care package? against the death penalty? how about some kind words to the victim of the family?

anyways, nice post.

 

[ScottL]

This is one issue I just can't make up my mind about. I can see both sides of it.

What I am 100% certain about is wherever Muddy disappeared to in the last few months is where he should stay.

 

[Willie99]

The bottom line with this whole discussion, the witch bitch was trying to get an earmark out of the stimulus package for one of her pet projects, abortions on demand. She'll say anything to achieve her goals, she knows her enabling herd will graze at her feet, and this thread is proof of that.

I'm so proud to be on the opposite side of the Nancy Pelosi's of this world, there is no doubt I'm on the right side.

 

[fletchisrhsm]

The bottom line with this whole discussion, the witch bitch was trying to get an earmark out of the stimulus package for one of her pet projects, abortions on demand. She'll say anything to achieve her goals, she knows her enabling herd will graze at her feet, and this thread is proof of that.

I'm so proud to be on the opposite side of the Nancy Pelosi's of this world, there is no doubt I'm on the right side.

Right v Wrong

Black V White

bla bla bla......

Stop hiding behind labels and start looking at problems from all angles not just two. Last time i checked this isnt a two dimensional world Wullster.
Im no liberal nor do i normally advocate an ounce of support for her, but no matter how you fund it or dice it she makes a solid solid point. Dont let your personal ideology get in the way of a common sense approach to a growing problem.

And to drive a tactical wedge into your point saturated with fallacy...

Where did she EVER bring up the word abortion in this piece?


"Abortion on demand"?

In this interview? Maybe you can point or cite something in this article that i missed because as far as i can tell, you amongst other people are using birth control as a vehicle to attack abortion when in fact they are not nowhere near the same.

Nearly all sexually active females (98% in 2002) have used at least one method of birth control.

The most common methods used are the condom (used at least once by 94%) and the pill (used at least once by 61%).

Willie are you prepared to equate 98% of sexually active females (those im sure include many woman in your own family) with a person who gets an abortion? Willie i think that last post is despicable.

 

[Willie99]

Suger coat it all you want Fetch. The truth is simple

1) Pelosi wants an earmark for planned parenthood
2) Pelosi supports, condones and defends late term abortions
3) Planned parenthood condones and defends and performs late term abortions

You do the math, and tell me how you arrive at a different conclusion.

To the whacked out left like Pelosi, late term abortions are "birth control".

 

[OnWisconsin]

only a couple months ago nancy took it upon herself to give the Catholic Church's take -- a faith which she claims to hold -- on abortion. It was fun to watch her squirm when the church not only spanked her ass but demanded she seek communion for her words. That is part of the problem. Abortion is an immoral act in the eyes of most religions. Politicians claim to have strong moral faiths. Yet some of them fight so hard to allow those things that contradict their own faiths. i still laugh when i think of the church craze that went on after Mike Huckabee emerged as a viable candidate -- hell, even Hillary made sure she got facetime on a Sunday morning.

 

[barman]

....late term abortions are "birth control".

Better late than never, when it comes to saving a woman's future.

Fortunately, it's (third trimester abortion) only neccesary for about six women per day nationwide. And with increased education and access to improved contraception and first trimester abortions when needed, we'll likely see that number shrink to where it's even more rare.

For every third term abortion today, there's literally thousands of women being helped by Planned Parenthood and like-minded organizations to avoid unwanted pregnancies in the first place.

Failure to provide these important orgs with sufficient financial support would ensure that unwanted pregnancies in the USA would rise dramatically. Pelosi and others of us who understand this potential crisis thus enthusiastically endorse continued and even increased funding for such important work.

 

[OnWisconsin]

just think of it this way. all your forecasting has predicted that there will be say 10 million new babies born this year. you conclusively know that if 10 million new babies were born that the earth would fall apart structurally due to overpopulation in 2100 instead of 2200 if you aborted all of the babies.

the evangelical like zit would sacrifice the 100 years to save the 10 million babies. thats the basis of my point.

the right thinks now, are emotional driven and dont think logically.

how about i put my bootheel to your forehead and put a bullet in it? especially if i knew that your offspring would contribute to the overpopulation of the earth and I don't believe in giving that same treatment to an unborn child?

 

[Preussen]

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A little off topic....does anyone know, when a pregnant mother is murdered, is the suspect charged with one or two counts of murder? Does it matter the age of the fetus?

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double homicide

I think you are wrong here, tiz, or if you are right and this really is the law in (some parts of) America then the law is wrong.

A fetus is not a living human being so he cannot be killed as such. Therefore in Germany and, I think, almost everwhere else killing a pregnant woman is punished as one homicide and a criminal pregnancy termination.

 

[Mistermj]

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A little off topic....does anyone know, when a pregnant mother is murdered, is the suspect charged with one or two counts of murder? Does it matter the age of the fetus?

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I think you are wrong here, tiz, or if you are right and this really is the law in (some parts of) America then the law is wrong.

A fetus is not a living human being so he cannot be killed as such. Therefore in Germany and, I think, almost everwhere else killing a pregnant woman is punished as one homicide and a criminal pregnancy termination.

:nono5:

When is a Fetus Considered Living?
Although many states now have fetal homicide laws, there are a wide variety of differences about when a fetus is considered living. In Missouri and 17 other states, the laws recognize a fetus as living at the time of conception.



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http://crime.about.com/od/issues/a/fetalhomicide.htm

Laci Peterson

It is this law which is being used now to prosecute Scott Peterson with two counts of murder of Laci Peterson, his wife, and their seven month unborn son, Conner.

"If both the woman and the child were killed and we can prove the child was killed due to the actions of the perpetrator, then we charge both," said Stanislaus County Assistant District Attorney Carol Shipley as quoted by CourtTv.com. A multiple murder charge against Scott Peterson makes him eligible for the death penalty according to California law.

 

[Preussen]

MJ, okay, if that is the case and there really exist laws that say termination of a fetus is homicide then the latter part of my first sentence applies - this law is wrong. To declare a fetus "alive" is simply scientific nonsense (but then science is not that popular in some parts of America, I gather).

Don't misunderstand me, I absolutely agree that terminating a pregnancy is a crime unless done by the pregnant woman or a doctor with her explicit consent, and if states decide that this crime should be punished like a homicide then that is their prerogative. But it can never be homicide.

 

[Willie99]

Better late than never, when it comes to saving a woman's future.

Bullshit. Can you please explain to me why pulling the head out of the vagina before you crush it's skull is a threat to the mother's life?

After that, Tell me how giving medical attention to a baby that's already living outside the womb is a threat to a mother's health?

Furthermore, there are many good organizations that help prevent unwanted pregnancies that aren't so callous about abortions. Most importantly, there are parents. That last thing this country needs is a quasi left wing organization guiding our youth. The more liberalism, the more poverty and the more broken families. The great society has done wonders to our inner cities, and there is an absolute undeniable timeline correlation.

Start by telling dads to raise their kids with their mothers, and change the incentives for welfare moms. That's family planning that means something.

 

[betedgeonly]

Really? How do you know? :think2:

the real question that just blows my mind is that YOU don't know. sad day for your soul my friend, very sad....


edge

 

[betedgeonly]

Bullshit. Can you please explain to me why pulling the head out of the vagina before you crush it's skull is a threat to the mother's life?

After that, Tell me how giving medical attention to a baby that's already living outside the womb is a threat to a mother's health?

Furthermore, there are many good organizations that help prevent unwanted pregnancies that aren't so callous about abortions. Most importantly, there are parents. That last thing this country needs is a quasi left wing organization guiding our youth. The more liberalism, the more poverty and the more broken families. The great society has done wonders to our inner cities, and there is an absolute undeniable timeline correlation.

Start by telling dads to raise their kids with their mothers, and change the incentives for welfare moms. That's family planning that means something.

willie, it is absolutly amazing how cold and idiotic some of these people think with total disregard for human life. as long as they get what they want . I cannot believe the lack of complete common sense some of these people have. I believe the world will be a better place when people like these one's die off and we can all enjoy life a little more. I likke your response, well put.


edge

 

[betedgeonly]

Better late than never, when it comes to saving a woman's future.

Fortunately, it's (third trimester abortion) only neccesary for about six women per day nationwide. And with increased education and access to improved contraception and first trimester abortions when needed, we'll likely see that number shrink to where it's even more rare.

For every third term abortion today, there's literally thousands of women being helped by Planned Parenthood and like-minded organizations to avoid unwanted pregnancies in the first place.

Failure to provide these important orgs with sufficient financial support would ensure that unwanted pregnancies in the USA would rise dramatically. Pelosi and others of us who understand this potential crisis thus enthusiastically endorse continued and even increased funding for such important work.

A women who makes such a late decision on having an abortion in my eye's is not a real women to begin with. If her future is so prominant and full of life, one might think that this sort of women might be smart enough to take PREVENTIVE measures to not get pregnant in the first place. What does a women this stupid have to offer a society when she is this ignorant to brth control? Oh wait, she is doing her part for society by helping control our population, what a gal....


edege

 

[Preussen]

... I cannot believe the lack of complete common sense some of these people have...

After reading all your posts I cannot escape the feeling that you, sir, are rather an outsider when it comes to common sense.

 

[roadreeler57]

After reading all your posts I cannot escape the feeling that you, sir, are rather an outsider when it comes to common sense.

I read his last post & it makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Preussen]

RR, I'm not surprised that Edge posts make sense to you.

 

[roadreeler57]

RR, I'm not surprised that Edge posts make sense to you.

He said use a rubber,the pill or abstain "preventative" makes sense to me....Seems like a cheaper price to pay than fighting with guilt for the rest of your life.

 

[Preussen]

..."preventative" makes sense to me

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