don't know where you been soonerdawg, but this is america. animal life has been more important than human life for some time. i do agree with you though, human life in my opinion is more valuable. we do need to be tagged like deer though. one kid and that's it. keep the birth rate slightly ahead of the death rate. will preserve resources needed for them to survive. or they'll be dead like the overpopulated deer end up in the winter. this isn't just for me, it's for human kind down the line.
but you guys arn't programmed to understand that. you don't care if the baby lives in a cardboard box as long as it wasn't aborted heh. you have to think realistically, don't be so emotionally driven.
the message is pro-life which is which is on your side :think2:
south park rips on liberals all the time
this is another classic episode ripping on abortion
"Cartman's Mom is Still a Dirty Slut": Cartman's Mom attempted to get her son a "42nd trimester" abortion, only to figure out later that she wanted him adopted instead.This episode can be seen as heavily promoting pro-life. When Mrs. Cartman wants to abort her 8 year old son, and finds out that such a late abortion is illegal, she says "Well, I think you need to keep your laws off of my body." Because this is a common slogan used by pro choice activists, this can be seen as pro-life. Later in the episode, Mrs Cartman says "I should've thought of raising a child before having sex."
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i'd be more concerned about 3rd world countries than the US
no population problem in US at all
the world at large....much different story
big growing problem
is uneducated people that can't provide for a kid having gobs of babies
while in the west that is heavy in contraceptives and abortion people that have the means to support kids give them a good education and productive members of the world community (granted in some cases it will make their life a bit more difficult) are having less
Yeah, that is true. No one really cares about another nonsensical debate regarding abortion, we have heard it many times over already.
IMO, Pelosi is 100% correct. Avoiding a child one can not afford is a lesser burden to herself and tax payers alike.
"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." - Benjamin Franklin
There is a finite limit on the number of people that this here earth can support. It is time we address this and stop the welfare state that is america.
Big bizness of course loves and excess of cheap labor and expensive government funded babies.
Neuter people after two children, but do NOT kill babies!
:drink:
Condoms rarely break, so you gotta love hearing that accident story.... Don't rely on the man #1. Give the shots to all women for free. If allergic, give her another method.
And you gotta love all the women who say they are allergic to condoms....
:nohead:
Big bizness of course loves and excess of cheap labor and expensive government funded babies.
Neuter people after two children, but do NOT kill babies!
:drink:
Condoms rarely break, so you gotta love hearing that accident story.... Don't rely on the man #1. Give the shots to all women for free. If allergic, give her another method.
And you gotta love all the women who say they are allergic to condoms....
:nohead:
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as usual,gtc gives a great example of the false premises that make up those great looney leftie arguments
the rare exception is not the rule
I think that given a choice, the living breathing infant would prefer to be given a chance. In this great country, many will succeed in life, assuming that looney logic and values don't contaminate their minds. If poisoned, the grow up to be victims and the deck is stacked against them.
[FONT=georgia,times new roman,times,serif]"Hand of Hope."
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[FONT=georgia,times new roman,times,serif]A picture began circulating in November. It should be 'The Picture of the Year,' or perhaps, 'Picture of the Decade.' It won't be. In fact,unless you obtained a copy of the US paper which published it, you probably would never have seen it.
The picture is that of a 21-week-old unborn baby named Samuel Alexander Armas, who is being operated on by surgeon named Joseph Bruner.
The baby was diagnosed with spina bifida and would not survive if removed from his mother's womb. Little Samuel's mother! , Julie Armas, is an obstetrics nurse in Atlanta . She knew of Dr Bruner's remarkable surgical procedure. Practicing at Vanderbilt Univ Med Ctr in Nashville , he performs these special operations while the baby is still in the womb.
During the procedure, the doctor removes the uterus via C-section and makes a small incision to operate on the baby. As Dr Bruner completed the surgery on Samuel, the little guy reached his tiny, but fully developed hand through the incision and firmly grasped the surgeon's finger. Dr Bruner was reported as saying that when his finger was grasped, it was the most emotional moment of his life, and that for an instant during the procedure he was just frozen, totally immobile.
The photograph captures this amazing event with perfect clarity The editors titled the picture, 'Hand of Hope.' The text explaining the picture begins, 'The tiny hand of 21-week-old fetus Samuel Alexander Armas emerges from the mother's uterus to grasp the finger of Dr Joseph Bruner as if thanking the doctor for the gift of life.'
Little Samuel's mother said they 'wept for days' when they saw the picture. She said, 'The photo reminds us pregnancy isn't about disability or an illness, it's about a little person.'Samuel was born in perfect health, the operation 100percent successful.
Now see the actual picture again, and it is awesome....
incredible....
and hey, pass it on.
The world needs to see this one! [/FONT]
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The picture is that of a 21-week-old unborn baby named Samuel Alexander Armas, who is being operated on by surgeon named Joseph Bruner.
The baby was diagnosed with spina bifida and would not survive if removed from his mother's womb. Little Samuel's mother! , Julie Armas, is an obstetrics nurse in Atlanta . She knew of Dr Bruner's remarkable surgical procedure. Practicing at Vanderbilt Univ Med Ctr in Nashville , he performs these special operations while the baby is still in the womb.
During the procedure, the doctor removes the uterus via C-section and makes a small incision to operate on the baby. As Dr Bruner completed the surgery on Samuel, the little guy reached his tiny, but fully developed hand through the incision and firmly grasped the surgeon's finger. Dr Bruner was reported as saying that when his finger was grasped, it was the most emotional moment of his life, and that for an instant during the procedure he was just frozen, totally immobile.
The photograph captures this amazing event with perfect clarity The editors titled the picture, 'Hand of Hope.' The text explaining the picture begins, 'The tiny hand of 21-week-old fetus Samuel Alexander Armas emerges from the mother's uterus to grasp the finger of Dr Joseph Bruner as if thanking the doctor for the gift of life.'
Little Samuel's mother said they 'wept for days' when they saw the picture. She said, 'The photo reminds us pregnancy isn't about disability or an illness, it's about a little person.'Samuel was born in perfect health, the operation 100percent successful.
Now see the actual picture again, and it is awesome....
incredible....
and hey, pass it on.
The world needs to see this one! [/FONT]
[FONT=georgia,times new roman,times,serif]"Hand of Hope."
[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia,times new roman,times,serif]A picture began circulating in November. It should be 'The Picture of the Year,' or perhaps, 'Picture of the Decade.' It won't be. In fact,unless you obtained a copy of the US paper which published it, you probably would never have seen it.
The picture is that of a 21-week-old unborn baby named Samuel Alexander Armas, who is being operated on by surgeon named Joseph Bruner.
The baby was diagnosed with spina bifida and would not survive if removed from his mother's womb. Little Samuel's mother! , Julie Armas, is an obstetrics nurse in Atlanta . She knew of Dr Bruner's remarkable surgical procedure. Practicing at Vanderbilt Univ Med Ctr in Nashville , he performs these special operations while the baby is still in the womb.
During the procedure, the doctor removes the uterus via C-section and makes a small incision to operate on the baby. As Dr Bruner completed the surgery on Samuel, the little guy reached his tiny, but fully developed hand through the incision and firmly grasped the surgeon's finger. Dr Bruner was reported as saying that when his finger was grasped, it was the most emotional moment of his life, and that for an instant during the procedure he was just frozen, totally immobile.
The photograph captures this amazing event with perfect clarity The editors titled the picture, 'Hand of Hope.' The text explaining the picture begins, 'The tiny hand of 21-week-old fetus Samuel Alexander Armas emerges from the mother's uterus to grasp the finger of Dr Joseph Bruner as if thanking the doctor for the gift of life.'
Little Samuel's mother said they 'wept for days' when they saw the picture. She said, 'The photo reminds us pregnancy isn't about disability or an illness, it's about a little person.'Samuel was born in perfect health, the operation 100percent successful.
Now see the actual picture again, and it is awesome....
incredible....
and hey, pass it on.
The world needs to see this one! [/FONT]
Oh brother, posting pics like that? The thing is a burden on society,
just kill it. Just stomp on it like a cockroach, one less mouth to feed.
(says Barman, GTC08, Punter... and all the lib pro-abortion wackos on here)
From the eye witnesses:
[FONT=verdana, geneva, helvetica]This amazing photo, taken by Michael Clancy and originally published in USA Today and The Tennessean on September 7, 1999, is authentic. It began circulating via email within weeks of its first appearance in newspapers. [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, geneva, helvetica]The accompanying text is basically accurate, as well. The photo was taken during a surgery performed by Dr. Joseph Bruner and Dr. Noel Tulipan at the Vanderbilt University Medical Center, Nashville on August 19, 1999 to treat a 21-week-old fetus for spina bifida. The operation was a success, and three months later a healthy Samuel Alexander Armas was delivered by C-section. [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, geneva, helvetica]Doubts have been raised about the assertion that the fetus actually reached out of the opening in the womb to grasp the surgeon's finger, inasmuch as there are at least three different accounts of precisely what happened at that moment, two of them from eyewitnesses: [/FONT]
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[*]Email text: "During the surgery on little Samuel, the little guy reached his tiny, but fully developed, hand through the incision and firmly grasped the surgeon's finger." [/FONT][FONT=verdana, geneva, helvetica]
[*]Photographer Michael Clancy: "Samuel came out from under anesthesia too soon and thrust his clenched fist out of the surgical opening to his mother's womb. In my opinion, Samuel was in pain. Dr. Joseph Bruner reached over and gently lifted Samuel's hand, and Samuel reacted by squeezing the doctor's finger." [/FONT][FONT=verdana, geneva, helvetica]
[*]Surgeon Joseph Bruner: "Depending on your political point of view, this is either Samuel Armas reaching out of the uterus and touching the finger of a fellow human, or it's me pulling his hand out of the uterus ... which is what I did." [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, geneva, helvetica]Such quibbles don't lessen the impact of the photograph itself, which Dr. Bruner has described as "powerful" and Michael Clancy calls "miraculous." It should come as no surprise that both the image and Samuel Armas' success story have figured prominently in the abortion debate ever since. [/FONT]
