If they did we should thank them...it totally derailed the health care debate.
Obama lost all his steam today...the health care talk was a disaster for him.
Going off subject to race bait was beyond stupid.
:toast:
Admited that he didn't know the facts.Then implied that the cop/cops were racist and acted stupid.
He knew that there was a racist element directed at the black of course and he knew that the cop/cops "acted stupidly"....but didn't know the facts of the incident.
Fair enough?
How about he already knew factually that there was racism and stupid cops involved...but didn't know the facts of the incident he was so righteously indignant about?
1) Disorderly conduct. Such a vague law. I know several people (all white, by the way) arrested for disorderly conduct. It doesn't take much, especially on a Friday/Saturday night.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorderly_conduct
What is "tumultuous conduct," what constitutes "unreasonable noise", or what "disrupts a lawful assembly" are matters that are far harder to decide, and as such disorderly conduct statutes give police officers and other authorities fairly broad discretion to arrest people whose activities they find undesirable for a wide variety of reasons.
2) Public/private property. Once again, can be vague. Drinking a beer in your backyard? Guess what, your neighbors can see you. Could be considered public.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorderly_conduct
What is "tumultuous conduct," what constitutes "unreasonable noise", or what "disrupts a lawful assembly" are matters that are far harder to decide, and as such disorderly conduct statutes give police officers and other authorities fairly broad discretion to arrest people whose activities they find undesirable for a wide variety of reasons.
2) Public/private property. Once again, can be vague. Drinking a beer in your backyard? Guess what, your neighbors can see you. Could be considered public.
No apologies
The Gates incident yesterday indicates that we as a nation still have the same old problems. It also demonstrates that teachers, espeically distringuished educators from Harvard should demonstrate by example the kind of behavior they teach about. I have read the biography on Gates in Wikipedia and I have read the police report and several other commentaries. This was preventable. Gates could have thanked the officer for checking on his house, which could have been invaded, but chose to back himself into a corner and play the racial trump card. In my opinion if asked by any officer for any reason to provide some type of identification I do it without question. Period. The reason is respect for the law. You have to practice what you preach and apparently Gates' trump card was ego ("do you know who you are dealing with here)" . If you have seen a picture of Gates coming down the stairs in handcuffs he has obviously lost not only his composure but the respect of his fellow professors and students who expected better of him. That should have been a non-incident. Now he wants an apology. Well I do not think the police officer owes him one, but I will give him one anyway. I am sorry Mr. Gates, sorry that you just don't get it. Sorry that in America, black or white, it is not about who you are dealing with, and that the immediate circumstances of that incident could and should have been avoided by extending the policeman the dignity due him and for knowing who you were dealing with. I am also sorry that you picked the wrong cop, could not have picked a worse police officer who has gained a certain amount of respect by his peers, including a black police commissioner who has already commented that Crowley "followed procedure." I am also sorry that the president doesn't get it either but that is a another story. I think your behavior and Obama's comment will be in the history books someday as "one step backward for mankind".
The Gates incident yesterday indicates that we as a nation still have the same old problems. It also demonstrates that teachers, espeically distringuished educators from Harvard should demonstrate by example the kind of behavior they teach about. I have read the biography on Gates in Wikipedia and I have read the police report and several other commentaries. This was preventable. Gates could have thanked the officer for checking on his house, which could have been invaded, but chose to back himself into a corner and play the racial trump card. In my opinion if asked by any officer for any reason to provide some type of identification I do it without question. Period. The reason is respect for the law. You have to practice what you preach and apparently Gates' trump card was ego ("do you know who you are dealing with here)" . If you have seen a picture of Gates coming down the stairs in handcuffs he has obviously lost not only his composure but the respect of his fellow professors and students who expected better of him. That should have been a non-incident. Now he wants an apology. Well I do not think the police officer owes him one, but I will give him one anyway. I am sorry Mr. Gates, sorry that you just don't get it. Sorry that in America, black or white, it is not about who you are dealing with, and that the immediate circumstances of that incident could and should have been avoided by extending the policeman the dignity due him and for knowing who you were dealing with. I am also sorry that you picked the wrong cop, could not have picked a worse police officer who has gained a certain amount of respect by his peers, including a black police commissioner who has already commented that Crowley "followed procedure." I am also sorry that the president doesn't get it either but that is a another story. I think your behavior and Obama's comment will be in the history books someday as "one step backward for mankind".
Wille, why don't you take you racist blinders off for once? Tell me exactly why a poice offer should arrest a middle aged man, who walks with a cane, proving (let alone standing) who is in his own home?
The officer acted stupidly. Even your ignorant ass should know that.
THe officer acted stupidly? Based on what? The officer's boss who is black said he acted according to policy. But you think he acted stupidly because our idiot racist president said so?
neighbor = passerby it's a leftie thing I guess
my neighbor's house is being broke in to, the people in the house entered through a window or something and now refuse to answer the door
do you think the responsible thing to do is for the officer to drive away? seriously tell me that's not the case you're making
what happens when the officer drives away and the house is robbed or maybe even the residents are harmed? what happens then?
if you are responding to such call, do you think the resident would refuse to answer the door or a criminal?
If the moron Harvard professor answered the door and said what happened, we're not talking about this today. That would be the reasonable and right and correct thing to do.
The officer was doing his job, Gates played the race card
Wille, why don't you take you racist blinders off for once? Tell me exactly why a poice offer should arrest a middle aged man, who walks with a cane, proving (let alone standing) who is in his own home?
The officer acted stupidly. Even your ignorant ass should know that.
you're simply either uninformed or incapable of rational thought.
there is nothing the officer did wrong with his attempt to secure Gate's property and well being. Gates played the race card, and the retard in chief took the bait.
A dumb man is a dumb man no matter his race.
Here's the difference between you, me and Obama. If it were a white resident and a black officer, "MY" position would be the same. Your opinion would change with the wind, as would the retard in chief's, since you have no foundation to stand on.
now stay uninformed, it suits you well
Obama
Here's what he said yesterday: "I have to say I am surprised by the controversy surrounding my statement because I think it was a pretty straightforward commentary that you probably don’t need to handcuff a guy, a middle-aged man who uses a cane, who’s in his own home.”
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How pathetic. What he really said a police officer who was doing his job and trying to protect Gate's property and possibly his well being was acting "incredibly stupid" while all known law enforcement officers who have commented on the case said the officer acted properly.
and
he injected race when the only time race was mentioned was by the race baiting Harvard professor.
He ignores all the facts in the police report and spins you probably don’t need to handcuff a guy, a middle-aged man who uses a cane, who’s in his own home. Why do you throw bullshit against the wall? because facts fail you. How weak, how pathetically weak.
Of course he knows intellects like 3Peat will simply repeat his words. Too fucking funny
Here's what he said yesterday: "I have to say I am surprised by the controversy surrounding my statement because I think it was a pretty straightforward commentary that you probably don’t need to handcuff a guy, a middle-aged man who uses a cane, who’s in his own home.”
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How pathetic. What he really said a police officer who was doing his job and trying to protect Gate's property and possibly his well being was acting "incredibly stupid" while all known law enforcement officers who have commented on the case said the officer acted properly.
and
he injected race when the only time race was mentioned was by the race baiting Harvard professor.
He ignores all the facts in the police report and spins you probably don’t need to handcuff a guy, a middle-aged man who uses a cane, who’s in his own home. Why do you throw bullshit against the wall? because facts fail you. How weak, how pathetically weak.
Of course he knows intellects like 3Peat will simply repeat his words. Too fucking funny
The real irony? Obama, the man who was going to end this great racial divide, you know, the one being kept alive by the race baiters on the left, is actually doing his best to increase racial tensions.
way to go dipshit
way to go dipshit
LMAO...if only Gates had seen this video first. 
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ABC News
The White House today said that President Obama "regrets" the furor his remarks on the arrest of his friend Henry Louis Gates Jr. have caused, as the lawyer for the cop who arrested the black Harvard University professor said the officer may sue Gates for defamation.
"I think he would regret if he realized how much of a overall distraction and obsession it would be," White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters.
When asked if the president would apologize to the officer, as some police unions have demanded, Gibbs would only say that the president understands that the job police officers do is hard and that he has great respect for them.
Gibbs added that he did not expect Obama to have anything else to say about the incident.
"I think he's said most of what he's going to say on it," Gibbs said.
I beg to differ with Gibbs. He should be deeply concerned.
:>( :cripwalk:
The White House today said that President Obama "regrets" the furor his remarks on the arrest of his friend Henry Louis Gates Jr. have caused, as the lawyer for the cop who arrested the black Harvard University professor said the officer may sue Gates for defamation.
"I think he would regret if he realized how much of a overall distraction and obsession it would be," White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters.
When asked if the president would apologize to the officer, as some police unions have demanded, Gibbs would only say that the president understands that the job police officers do is hard and that he has great respect for them.
Gibbs added that he did not expect Obama to have anything else to say about the incident.
"I think he's said most of what he's going to say on it," Gibbs said.
I beg to differ with Gibbs. He should be deeply concerned.
:>( :cripwalk:
This is big!!! Obama's approval ratings from this point onward will tend downward. The "Post-racial" BO with this needless bombastic flourish
alienated most of middle of the roaders hypnotized by the "Hope & Change" nonsense. He earned the nickname of "Barack Nifong" while he
was trying to promote his failed "Obamacare". Pitiful, and we have to put up with 3 1/2 more years of this stuff! If he keeps this up, hopefully maybe not!
alienated most of middle of the roaders hypnotized by the "Hope & Change" nonsense. He earned the nickname of "Barack Nifong" while he
was trying to promote his failed "Obamacare". Pitiful, and we have to put up with 3 1/2 more years of this stuff! If he keeps this up, hopefully maybe not!
Willie is puzzled: if you are responding to such call, do you think the resident would refuse to answer the door or a criminal?
If the moron Harvard professor answered the door and said what happened, we're not talking about this today.
Bar: According to the report, he was clearly visible through the glass, told the officer it was his own home.
That's all that's needed.
After that, it's on the officer or other complaintants to demonstrate he is not legally within the residence.
If the officer(s) still believe a crime "might" be in progress, it is incumbent upon them to determine who owns the home and to proceed from that basis. They do not have the right to enter the home without clear probable cause to believe a crime is being committed.
If the police knock on your door today, you are not required to respond. If they can see you through glass and demand identification, you are not required to provide it. It is first incumbent upon them to determine that there is a crime being committed within the house before they can enter.
The 4th Amendment, along with the 1st Amendment, easily make up perhaps our two most tremendous and fundamental constitutional liberties.
If the moron Harvard professor answered the door and said what happened, we're not talking about this today.
Bar: According to the report, he was clearly visible through the glass, told the officer it was his own home.
That's all that's needed.
After that, it's on the officer or other complaintants to demonstrate he is not legally within the residence.
If the officer(s) still believe a crime "might" be in progress, it is incumbent upon them to determine who owns the home and to proceed from that basis. They do not have the right to enter the home without clear probable cause to believe a crime is being committed.
If the police knock on your door today, you are not required to respond. If they can see you through glass and demand identification, you are not required to provide it. It is first incumbent upon them to determine that there is a crime being committed within the house before they can enter.
The 4th Amendment, along with the 1st Amendment, easily make up perhaps our two most tremendous and fundamental constitutional liberties.
So when a cop responds to a possible home invasion, the only thing the person who answers the door needs to say is "this is my home, everything is fine", and then the cop should just walk away. Never mind the fact that the dude says "I'm an important black man and you're an idiot racist, now fuck off".
and "I'm confused"
LOL
Hey you six guys over there, why are you holding that girl down and fucking her? It's OK officer, she's my wife
well have fun
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Hey dude, why are you trying to hot wire that $ 100,000 car? Because I lost my keys officer.
Well oK then, be careful
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barbanman's lesson on how not to be a law enforcement officer is done for the day
and "I'm confused"
LOL
Hey you six guys over there, why are you holding that girl down and fucking her? It's OK officer, she's my wife
well have fun
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Hey dude, why are you trying to hot wire that $ 100,000 car? Because I lost my keys officer.
Well oK then, be careful
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barbanman's lesson on how not to be a law enforcement officer is done for the day
