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PP: He didn't show an ID....to which Obama lied again.Read the report.

Bar: Yes he did. He showed his Harvard photo ID card.

Not that he needed to. There is no law that requires one to show ID to a police officer unless you are driving or you are an immigrant (in both cases must show ID upon police request).

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PP: The fuckin idiot Gates acted like a drugged out raving maniac.

Bar: That is your opinion.

But even if accurate, he has still not violated any laws.

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PP: The charges were dropped because Gov Deval (Obama clone) Patrick called the mayor of Cambridge to havve them dropped.(there should be an investigation of this).

Bar: Nonsense. The (one) charge was dropped because it would be utterly impossible to prosecute given that Mr Gates did not in fact engage in "disorderly conduct" per Massachusetts law.

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PP: So now this leaves Cambridge open to a law suit.

Bar: Correct. And as I already stated in my first post within this thread, if Gates does file a suit for wrongful arrest, he'll most certainly prevail and the city will be out some $$$ due to this officer having responded in poor fashion to Mr Gates verbal tirade against him.
 

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The only discrimination that went on here was against the police officer. but its ok for blacks to hate police officers.

It is legal for anyone of any color to hate police officers, though I don't think that's even pertinent to the story here.
 

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It is legal for anyone of any color to hate police officers, though I don't think that's even pertinent to the story here.

I should have said discriminate instead of hate. This is about discrimination and racist blacks who think they can act like fools and then cry "Im a victim!""
 

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You are incorrect. He was not placed under arrest until he was outside of his house, yelling and screaming.

He was still on his own property, but that's even moot.

There is no law prohibiting anyone of us - including Mr Gates - from loudly and aggressively berating police officers on either private or public property.

Massachusetts courts have limited the definition of disorderly conduct to: fighting or threatening, violent or tumultuous behavior, or creating a hazardous or physically offensive condition for no legitimate purpose other than to cause public annoyance or alarm.

Gates's behavior may have been boorish, it may have been insulting, it may even have been irrational. It was not, however any violation of the law and is a sterling example of protected political speech under the First Amendment.
 

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I dont think i have ever witnessed somebody berate or yell at a police officer and not go to jail. To say it is not against the law to do so is a stretch.
 

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I should have said discriminate instead of hate. This is about discrimination and racist blacks who think they can act like fools and then cry "Im a victim!""

If a police officer enters your home without your permission sans possessing a legal warrant for entry, he himself is violating the law.

As I mentioned in a previous post, Mr Gates is worthy of chastisement for having even opened the door in the first place.
 

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:lol:Had it been Pat or Cap breaking into their own house and a black cop arresting them , he might be ducking lead.
 

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I dont think i have ever witnessed somebody berate or yell at a police officer and not go to jail. To say it is not against the law to do so is a stretch.

It is most certainly not against the law to say whatever you wish to a police officer provided you are not obstructing an investigation or making any kind of viable threat to their safety.

Perhaps a brush up with the First Amendment of the US Constitution would refresh your recollection of just how free we are as Americans to pretty much say whatever the hell we want in public, whenever we want and to whoever we want.
 

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Professor Gates comments on the incident via an interview given yesterday

(hat tip to TheGawker.com) http://gawker.com/5320294/henry-lou...grown+up-about-that-whole-racist-arrest-thing

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His take on his own tour through the criminal justice system is tempered by his role as an educator, which makes him laudably reasonable about something that justifiably pissed him of royally. While some observers—well, OK, this observer—were quick to accuse the white Harvard employee who called the cops after seeing Gates and his driver trying to enter his home of racism, Gates disagrees:
We depend on the police-I'm glad that this lady called 911. I hope right now if someone is breaking into my house she's calling 911 and the police will come! I just don't want to be arrested for being black at home! I think this was a bit of an extreme reaction.
And he doesn't even accuse the cop who hauled him off to jail of being a racist so much as an angry and vindictive man who looked viewed the incident through a racial lens:
If I had been white this incident never would have happened. He would have asked at the door, "Excuse me, are you okay? Because there are two black men around here try'na rob you [laughter] and I think he also violated the rules by not giving his name and badge number, and I think he would have given that to one of my white colleagues or one of my white neighbors. So race definitely played a role. Whether he's an individual racist? I don't know-I don't know him. But I think he stereotyped me.
And since Harvard academics already narrate their lives to themselves as an ongoing PBS documentary, Gates figures he might as well turn his arrest into a real one. He told the Root, of which he is the founder:
As a college professor, I want to make this a teaching experience. I am going to devote my considerable resources, intellectual and otherwise, to making sure this doesn't happen again. I'm thinking about making a documentary film about racial profiling, and I'm in talks with PBS about that.
He similarly told the Boston Globe:
If he apologizes sincerely, I am willing to forgive him. And if he admits his error, I am willing to educate him about the history of racism in America and the issue of racial profiling … That's what I do for a living.
 

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LOL, you must get arrested a lot if this is your attitude towards police officers.
 

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If a police officer enters your home without your permission sans possessing a legal warrant for entry, he himself is violating the law.

As I mentioned in a previous post, Mr Gates is worthy of chastisement for having even opened the door in the first place.


a neighbor called to report somebody breaking in

the officer responded

I can only surmise that the officer believed the neighbor who reported the incident would have recognized his neighbor, so he must assume the guy breaking in didn't live there

he went there to protect this guy's property, and the loon starts calling him a racist

I'm sorry, he brought it upon himself, and all that talk about not opening the door is poppycock because the officer would have been justified to kick the door down under such circumstances

as for Obama, another example of why I refer to him as "the retard in chief". Clueless motherfucker he is. On so many fronts in so many ways, he just doesn't get it.
 

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Professor Gates comments on the incident via an interview given yesterday

(hat tip to TheGawker.com) http://gawker.com/5320294/henry-lou...grown+up-about-that-whole-racist-arrest-thing

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His take on his own tour through the criminal justice system is tempered by his role as an educator, which makes him laudably reasonable about something that justifiably pissed him of royally. While some observers—well, OK, this observer—were quick to accuse the white Harvard employee who called the cops after seeing Gates and his driver trying to enter his home of racism, Gates disagrees:
We depend on the police-I'm glad that this lady called 911. I hope right now if someone is breaking into my house she's calling 911 and the police will come! I just don't want to be arrested for being black at home! I think this was a bit of an extreme reaction.
And he doesn't even accuse the cop who hauled him off to jail of being a racist so much as an angry and vindictive man who looked viewed the incident through a racial lens:
If I had been white this incident never would have happened. He would have asked at the door, "Excuse me, are you okay? Because there are two black men around here try'na rob you [laughter] and I think he also violated the rules by not giving his name and badge number, and I think he would have given that to one of my white colleagues or one of my white neighbors. So race definitely played a role. Whether he's an individual racist? I don't know-I don't know him. But I think he stereotyped me.
And since Harvard academics already narrate their lives to themselves as an ongoing PBS documentary, Gates figures he might as well turn his arrest into a real one. He told the Root, of which he is the founder:
As a college professor, I want to make this a teaching experience. I am going to devote my considerable resources, intellectual and otherwise, to making sure this doesn't happen again. I'm thinking about making a documentary film about racial profiling, and I'm in talks with PBS about that.
He similarly told the Boston Globe:
If he apologizes sincerely, I am willing to forgive him. And if he admits his error, I am willing to educate him about the history of racism in America and the issue of racial profiling … That's what I do for a living.

tell me you don't see this man's racism and victimhood mentality through these comments?

"If I were white", he would have behaved differently. Really? says who?

the officer should tell him to stick that forgiveness crap up his ass
 

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He was still on his own property, but that's even moot.

There is no law prohibiting anyone of us - including Mr Gates - from loudly and aggressively berating police officers on either private or public property.

Massachusetts courts have limited the definition of disorderly conduct to: fighting or threatening, violent or tumultuous behavior, or creating a hazardous or physically offensive condition for no legitimate purpose other than to cause public annoyance or alarm.

Gates's behavior may have been boorish, it may have been insulting, it may even have been irrational. It was not, however any violation of the law and is a sterling example of protected political speech under the First Amendment.

Boom...and there it is. Plain as day.

or creating a hazardous or physically offensive condition for no legitimate purpose other than to cause public annoyance or alarm.
 

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Here are the police reports detailing the confrontation last week between Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. and Cambridge cops, who were condemned last night by President Barack Obama for acting "stupidly" in arresting the African-American scholar. Cops responded to Gates's house after neighbor Lucia Whalen reported spotting "two black males with backpacks" trying to gain entry to the home (Gates, returning home from a trip overseas, and his driver were contending with a stuck front door). The Cambridge Police Department reports, authored by Sergeant James Crowley and Officer James Figueroa, quote an incensed Gates yelling, "This is what happens to black men in America!," and, when asked by Crowley to speak with him outside the residence, Gates replied, "ya, I'll speak with your mama outside." A disorderly conduct rap was filed against Gates,

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what a fucking race baiting loser

BTW President Retard, what nationally do you think Officer Figueroa might be?

Fucking retard knows he shouldn't be talking without no teleprompter.
 

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Massachusetts courts have limited the definition of disorderly conduct to: fighting or threatening, violent or tumultuous behavior

Thanks for making my point if you read the report thats what he was arrested for.

The cop was responding to a call of a break in to a house that WAS recentley broke into.
Proper ID in Ma. is a drivers lic.
The cop tried to verify the ID over his radio.but the fuckin asshole Gates was yelling to loud to where the cop could not here his transmissions.

A fuckin harvard intellect and you have to act like that?

Gates did nothing to peacfully resolve the situation.
There were calls by Patrick and the Mayor of Cambridge regarding the arrest and phoney indignation by gates.
The police commisinor and Union are 100% behind the officer.

I hope Gates does sue.
..and I hope the cop sues Obama.
 

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Gates's interview with CNN's Soledad O'Brien yesterday:

GATES: Well, I was filming my new documentary series for PBS called "Faces of Americans," it's about immigration. And we were filming Yo-Yo Ma's ancestral cemetery for a week in China. It was fantastic. And my daughter and I -- I took my daughter along. And we had just flown back from China.

I came from New York to Boston. And my driver picked me up. We got to my house in Harvard Square and the door was jammed. The door wouldn't open. And to make a long story short, I asked my driver just sort of to push the door through. I gave him his tip, he left.

I called Harvard Real Estate, which does the maintenance on my house because they own the house. And while I was on the phone, a Cambridge policeman showed up on my porch. I walked with the phone still active to my porch and he demanded that I step out of my house on to the porch.

That's all he said. He said, I would like to you step outside. I said, absolutely not. I said, why are you here? He said, I'm investigating a breaking and entering charge. I said, this is my house, I'm a Harvard professor, I live here.

He said, can you prove it? I said, just a minute. I turned my back. I walked into the kitchen to get my Harvard ID and my Massachusetts driver's license. He followed me without my permission. I gave him the two IDs and I demanded to know his name and his badge number.

O'BRIEN: And when you demanded that, what did he say?

GATES: He wouldn't say anything. He was just very upset. He was trying to figure out who I was. He was looking at the ID. He didn't say anything. And I said, why are you not responding to me? Are you not responding to me because you're a white police officer and I'm a black man?

He turned, walked out -- turned his back on me, walked out. I followed him on to my porch. It looked like a police convention, there were so many policemen outside. I stepped out on my porch and said, I want to know your colleague's name and his badge number.

And this officer said, thank you for accommodating my earlier request, you are under arrest. And he slapped handcuffs on me and they took me to jail.

O'BRIEN: Originally they put the handcuffs behind your back.

GATES: They put the handcuffs behind my back. And I told them that I was handicapped, I used a cane. They had a debate. There was a black officer there who was very sensitive. He persuaded them to move the handcuffs from around the back to the front. They took me to the Cambridge Police station and booked me, fingerprints, mug shot, which has now been all over the universe.

O'BRIEN: I've got to tell you, to see -- I mean, Professor Gates, I had him in college. And you know, to have that shot, your mug shot, it is quite a shock to see. What was that moment like for you?

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GATES: It was terrifying. And I realized…

O'BRIEN: Were you afraid?

GATES: I knew that I was in danger but I knew, too, that as soon as my friends could get to jail, starting with Professor Charles Ogletree, who is my friend and lawyer, that eventually I would be OK.

But what it made me realize was how vulnerable all black men are, how vulnerable all people of color are and all poor people to capricious forces like a rogue policeman. And this man clearly was a rogue policeman.

O'BRIEN: The police report said he described you as behaving in a tumultuous manner.

GATES: Yes, look how tumultuous I am. I'm 5'7", I weigh 150 pounds. And my tumultuous, outrageous action, Tom, was to demand that he give me his name and his badge number. Soledad, why? Because if I had stepped out on the porch -- it is important for all people to know this about the police.

If I had stepped outside of my house, he couldn't come in my house legally without a warrant. He couldn't arrest me without a warrant. Had I stepped outside he would have slapped handcuffs on me for being under suspicion of breaking and entering because he was responding to a profile.

Two black men with backpacks were breaking and entering into my home. And when he see me, he just presumed that one of them was me.

O'BRIEN: A neighbor called 911. I mean, it was a neighbor of yours who said that description, two black men breaking into your house. Are you angry with your neighbor?

GATES: No. In fact I hope right now that if someone is breaking into my house this nice lady is calling the police. I have a lot of valuable art and books in that house. And in fact, I think I'm going to send this person some flowers. I hope she is watching. I know that she must be intimidated and she must think that I'm very angry.

It wasn't her fault. It was the fault of the policeman who couldn't understand a black man standing up for his rights right in his space. And that's what I did. And I would do the same thing exactly again.

O'BRIEN: The charges were dropped.

GATES: Charges were dropped and the mayor of Cambridge, God bless her, called me and apologized to me. And my lawyers and I are considering what further action. Because this is…

O'BRIEN: What does that mean? Does that mean lawsuit?

GATES: Perhaps. Because this is not about me. This is about the vulnerability of black men in America.
 

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Boom...and there it is. Plain as day.

Nonsense.

And the Cambridge prosecutor obviously agreed.

It's certainly interesting to read the contrasting accounting of events between Mr Gates and the arresting officer.
 

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It seems rather clear that the officer became flustered by Gates's assertive and very vocal objections to the officer's presence on the scene. And he simply panicked and arrested him using the disorderly conduct charge.

Good news is that more sensible minds were able to quickly review the events and no actual charge was filed by the Cambridge prosecutor.
 

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The job of cops is certainly not without challenge.

And one of the most common challenges is being berated or spoken to in a disagreeable manner by citizens.

Can't say as to how well I would do if that were a part of my own daily life. If I had a pair of handcuffs and authority to put them on someone and take them down to the police station, I might do it more often than I should....heh
 

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It seems rather clear that the officer became flustered by Gates's assertive and very vocal objections to the officer's presence on the scene. And he simply panicked and arrested him using the disorderly conduct charge.

Good news is that more sensible minds were able to quickly review the events and no actual charge was filed by the Cambridge prosecutor.

You are making wild assumptions that are not based on facts...other than that...knock yourself out.
 

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