Obama calls Cambridge cop stupid.The cops report you decide...

[Coldweather]

I think many black people don't like the white people cause the white people made the black people sit in a seat at the back of the bus and the white people still have not paid the black people for the back wages they owe cause of slavery.

So many of the black people don't like the white people for these here reasons. So, if the white people get to close to some of them, they will play the race card cause they have a racial attitude towards the white people in my opinion for the reasons stated.

In addition, historically the white people were mean to the back people. This is what I think about this here issue.

:toast:

 

[Dave007inVegas]

BO does his best Brenda Lee impersonation… Sort of…

WASHINGTON (AP) -

Trying to tamp down an uproar over race, President Barack Obama said Friday he used an unfortunate choice of words in commenting on the arrest of black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. and could have "calibrated those words differently."

The president said he had telephoned the white policeman who arrested Gates, and he said the conversation confirmed his belief that the officer was a good man and an outstanding officer.

The president caused a stir when he said at a prime-time news conference earlier this week that Cambridge, Mass., police had "acted stupidly" by arresting Gates, a friend of the president's, for disorderly conduct.

On Friday, Obama made an impromptu appearance at the daily White House briefing in an effort to contain the controversy. He said he continued to believe that the both the officer, Sgt. James Crowley, and Gates had overreacted during the incident, but the president also faulted his own comments.

Duh? :cripwalk:

 

[Dave007inVegas]

Oh wait...other officers say that Crowley "did everything right".

Well, I guess that settles that.

:drink:

Pretty much ~~:<<

An eye witness account…

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (AP) — A black police officer who was at Henry Louis Gates Jr.'s home when the black Harvard scholar was arrested says he fully supports how his white fellow officer handled the situation.

Sgt. Leon Lashley says Gates was probably tired and surprised when Sgt. James Crowley demanded identification from him as officers investigated a report of a burglary. Lashley says Gates' reaction to Crowley was "a little bit stranger than it should have been."

Asked if Gates should have been arrested, Lashley said he supported Crowley "100 percent."

 

[Mistermj]

Pretty much ~~:<<

An eye witness account…

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (AP) — A black police officer who was at Henry Louis Gates Jr.'s home when the black Harvard scholar was arrested says he fully supports how his white fellow officer handled the situation.

Sgt. Leon Lashley says Gates was probably tired and surprised when Sgt. James Crowley demanded identification from him as officers investigated a report of a burglary. Lashley says Gates' reaction to Crowley was "a little bit stranger than it should have been."

Asked if Gates should have been arrested, Lashley said he supported Crowley "100 percent."

Not to mention 8 or 9 eyewitness accounts that also match the police report.

There is no longer any doubt as to what happened.

Obama, Gates and Barman are dead wrong.

 

[tiznow]

WTF is the POTUS even commenting on this issue to begin with?

just hilarous....

 

[tiznow]

as for the incident...

just a retarded incident.....

i can kinda see bardude's point as far as property rights but....

if i'm breaking into my own house cause i'm locked out and a cop walks up

first thing i'd do be cooperative and understand why a cop might be checking up on me since i was forcible trying to enter my home....show my id....and say this is my home good day officer....end of story....

instead to this guy the first thing that pops in his head is cop is fucking with me cause i'm black.....and decides to shout and rant at him creating a situation that never had to be created....

 

[tiznow]

Pretty much ~~:<<

An eye witness account…

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (AP) — A black police officer who was at Henry Louis Gates Jr.'s home when the black Harvard scholar was arrested says he fully supports how his white fellow officer handled the situation.

Sgt. Leon Lashley says Gates was probably tired and surprised when Sgt. James Crowley demanded identification from him as officers investigated a report of a burglary. Lashley says Gates' reaction to Crowley was "a little bit stranger than it should have been."

Asked if Gates should have been arrested, Lashley said he supported Crowley "100 percent."

maybe the other officer isn't black enough...or is half white like obama

remember those days early in the primaries when battling hillary...as far as the black vote goes....



race issues in this country is beyond comedy...all i can do most of the time is just laugh and shake my head

 

[bodyforlife]

I've read through the first 3 pages and I have to say that I am absolutely repulsed...especially by you Barman (what a surprise). Maybe you should grow up in my shoes and you might know what I'm talking about. But actually Barman, maybe you're black also and just have a 180 degree different viewpoint (but I'm assuming you're not). I can't tell you how sick I am of Blacks like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton crying race every time something happens to a black person. They do our entire race a disservice in almost every instance when they stage their national protests. I personally think Dr. King would be rolling over in his grave at the way they behave and some of the comments made by our fearless leader. How Mr. Obama could make a comment that "Blacks should pull themselves up by their bootstraps" and then be in favor of Affirmative Action is beyond me (he dances around the issue but he is clearly in favor of it). I wouldn't even attempt to get a "black" only scholarship when I was going to college because it was simply a matter of principle for me. I felt if I wanted to compete with all races then I'll do it on the same playing field....period! I had a conversation with a co-worker awhile back about Rodney King. I told him what the cops did was wrong to him, but don't tell me he wasn't a punk, because he was. I doubt seriously what happened to Rodney King would ever happen to me. I guess it's because I keep my cool in situations, don't try to draw attention to myself, and I have always been respectful to police officers (whether I agree with them or not). With all due respect, you can "F" your first amendment rights as far as I'm concerned. It may not hold up in a court of law, but that's OK with me. I don't believe for a second that Gates wasn't unruly. You do that and shit happens. That's life. Even in that Barbara Boxer situation, I think she was out of line, but I also think the guy had a chip on his shoulder.

Barman, why don't you go down to your local mall right now and drop your pants down to your knees, put on some gold chains, and put a radio over your shoulders, and start singing really loud. See if you don't get some extra attention from law enforcement. People like you amaze me with your first amendment rights. How about we act like civilized human beings and treat each others with respect, and maybe things like this don't happen.

If you have any interest in reading about another black that shares my viewpoint, pick up the book "White Guilt" by Shelby Steele. Maybe you'll get it then.

 

[james1961]

Wille, why don't you take you racist blinders off for once? Tell me exactly why a poice offer should arrest a middle aged man, who walks with a cane, proving (let alone standing) who is in his own home?

The officer acted stupidly. Even your ignorant ass should know that.

How old was the man who killed the security officer at the Holocaust Museum about 80 years old? So the police should have done nothing?

 

[james1961]

The real irony? Obama, the man who was going to end this great racial divide, you know, the one being kept alive by the race baiters on the left, is actually doing his best to increase racial tensions.

way to go dipshit

I'm surprise the media and obama didn't blame Bush or Cheney on this.@)(yet)

 

[Willie99]

bodyforlife

it was interesting reading your take on racial relations, and refreshing. We need the AA community to become more diversified politically speaking, for the good of all concerned. It's one of the factors that will help to restore some truth in politics (having an objective media is even more important, but that's for another thread).

I have always maintained that we will never have a color blind society until we govern as if we live in a color blind society and until race baiters like Al Sharpton are silenced.

As for racism itself, there will always be ignorance and racism and criminals and assholes, we can't legislate utopia. But I believe that the vast majority of people in this country are not racist today. Every decade, we have made incredible progress with respect to race.

It's also somewhat confusing that the POTUS and a Harvard Professor are playing the race card. They should be two great examples of how AAs can succeed in this country. Instead they talk like society is beating them down. Although Obama has retracted his statement significantly, albeit a tad too late.

 

[bodyforlife]

bodyforlife

it was interesting reading your take on racial relations, and refreshing. We need the AA community to become more diversified politically speaking, for the good of all concerned. It's one of the factors that will help to restore some truth in politics (having an objective media is even more important, but that's for another thread).

I have always maintained that we will never have a color blind society until we govern as if we live in a color blind society and until race baiters like Al Sharpton are silenced.

As for racism itself, there will always be ignorance and racism and criminals and assholes, we can't legislate utopia. But I believe that the vast majority of people in this country are not racist today. Every decade, we have made incredible progress with respect to race.

It's also somewhat confusing that the POTUS and a Harvard Professor are playing the race card. They should be two great examples of how AAs can succeed in this country. Instead they talk like society is beating them down. Although Obama has retracted his statement significantly, albeit a tad too late.

I agree Willie. Both of them could be great examples. The fact that they reacted like they did is baffling and troubling to me.

 

[PatPatriot]

The reason for Obamas half ass mea culpa yesterday is because they don't want the audio of radio transmision and other recorded audio of the other transmissions heard by the public....(But, if it was to fuck the cop it would be out there.)
This Gates guy was a insane raving fuckin maniac and if it was ever heard by the public, Obama and the rest of the race baiters would look like bigger fools then they already are.Even the uber libs of Cambridge,Ma. don't want it played because they won't be able to justify it even with their contorted logic of what is and isn't racism.
As with anything to do with Obama the more light and details that come forth, the more it stinks.

 

[D2bets]

What bothers me most here is that Gates was essentially arrested for asserting basic constitutional rights, albeit in an immature, boorish, maybe even irrational and unreasonable, manner. Step back a minute. Everything Gates was accused of involved his words, things his said. There was no other "conduct" here. He didn't do anything physically threatening or give any indication whatsoever that he would, or even could. It was all speech. And what speech was it? Virtually everything Gates said, both inside and inside, involved either: (a) questioning the cops motives/racial bias; or (b) demanding badge/name and threatening a formal complaint. Oh, that and the obligatory "mama" comment inside the house, which, while rather juvenile, is also not a criminal offense.

So what we have here ultimately is that Gates was arrested because the cop didn't appreciate being questioned. As immature and unreasonable as Gates may have been, his assertion of rights, decoupled from any physical threat whatsoever, cannot, by law, be a valid basis for disordertly conduct.

Why is it that Crowley cannot see what is obvious and apologize for wrongfully arresting Gates? Maybe if they can reach an agreement not to sue, he can feel able to be honest about the arrest.

 

[D2bets]

I didn't intend to make that a poem.

Edit: fixed it.

 

[Mistermj]

What bothers me most here is that Gates was essentially arrested for asserting basic constitutional rights, albeit in an immature, boorish, maybe even irrational and unreasonable, manner. Step back a minute. Everything Gates was accused of involved his words, things his said. There was no other "conduct" here. He didn't do anything physically threatening or give any indication whatsoever that he would, or even could. It was all speech. And what speech was it? Virtually everything Gates said, both inside and inside, involved either: (a) questioning the cops motives/racial bias; or (b) demanding badge/name and threatening a formal complaint. Oh, that and the obligatory "mama" comment inside the house, which, while rather juvenile, is also not a criminal offense.

So what we have here ultimately is that Gates was arrested because the cop didn't appreciate being questioned. As immature and unreasonable as Gates may have been, his assertion of rights, decoupled from any physical threat whatsoever, cannot, by law, be a valid basis for disordertly conduct.

Why is it that Crowley cannot see what is obvious and apologize for wrongfully arresting Gates? Maybe if they can reach an agreement not to sue, he can feel able to be honest about the arrest.

As immature and unreasonable as Gates may have been, his assertion of rights, decoupled from any physical threat whatsoever, cannot, by law, be a valid basis for disordertly conduct

Gates was disorderly according to the law in Massachusetts.Physical threat does not have to be considered.

According to the police report he was arrested because of his continued tumultuous behavior outside the residence, in view of the public.

In Massachusetts and other states, such laws give police wide power to arrest someone acting abusively toward them in public.

Massachusetts courts have said the "disorderly acts or language" must take place in public where others can be disturbed.

It's pretty cut and dried according to the police report and the multiple witnesses that back up the police report that Gates could be arrested within the definition of the law in Mass.

 

[D2bets]

Gates was disorderly according to the law in Massachusetts.Physical threat does not have to be considered.

According to the police report he was arrested because of his continued tumultuous behavior outside the residence, in view of the public.

In Massachusetts and other states, such laws give police wide power to arrest someone acting abusively toward them in public.

Massachusetts courts have said the "disorderly acts or language" must take place in public where others can be disturbed.

It's pretty cut and dried according to the police report and the multiple witnesses that back up the police report that Gates could be arrested within the definition of the law in Mass.

What tumultuous behavior? To whom? Questioning a cop and threatening a complaint may feel tumultuous to a sensitive cop, but it simply is not. It is protected speech. Tumultuous conduct implies some threat or apprehension of violence or physical harm or threat. That is completely absent here. This was all about language, and specially the language involved asserting constitutional rights...asserting constitutional rights, uncoupled from any violence or physical threat, is not tumultuous. As a matter of law.

Conclusory statements that try to hit the statutory targets doesn't get it done.

 

[Mistermj]

What tumultuous behavior? To whom? Questioning a cop and threatening a complaint may feel tumultuous to a sensitive cop, but it simply is not. It is protected speech. Tumultuous conduct implies some threat or apprehension of violence or physical harm or threat. That is completely absent here. This was all about language, and specially the language involved asserting constitutional rights...asserting constitutional rights, uncoupled from any violence or physical threat, is not tumultuous. As a matter of law.

Conclusory statements that try to hit the statutory targets doesn't get it done.

Gates could assert his constitutional rights in his own home...but he obviously does not have the right to disrupt the rights of others outside of his home.

You are mistaken...the constitution does not give him that right..nor do the good people of Massachusetts allow him that right.

Just like free speech does not allow you to yell fire in a crowded theater.

Common sense...and it's the law in Massachusetts.

 

[D2bets]

Gates could assert his constitutional rights in his own home...but he obviously does not have the right to disrupt the rights of others outside of his home.

You are mistaken...the constitution does not give him that right..nor do the good people of Massachusetts allow him that right.

Just like free speech does not allow you to yell fire in a crowded theater.

Common sense...and it's the law in Massachusetts.

Except that he didn't yell fire in a crowded theater. He asserted his rights. The presence of other citizens does not strip a man of his constitutional rights. Gates was arrested because Crowley didn't like being questioned, not because there was any kind of dangerous or violent situation. By your way of thinking a cop can take away my rights by simply gathering others around or us in engaging where there are others around. That's ludicrous. Crowley called Gates' behavior "tumultuous" inside as well. The only thing tumultuous was how Crowley felt being questioned. That's not tumultuous. He may have felt surprised, confused, disappointed, embarrassed, any number of emotions. But an assertion of rights, without any threat or apprehension of violence, is not disorderly conduct, as a matter of law.

 

[Mistermj]

Except that he didn't yell fire in a crowded theater. He asserted his rights. The presence of other citizens does not strip a man of his constitutional rights. Gates was arrested because Crowley didn't like being questioned, not because there was any kind of dangerous or violent situation. By your way of thinking a cop can take away my rights by simply gathering others around or us in engaging where there are others around. That's ludicrous. Crowley called Gates' behavior "tumultuous" inside as well. The only thing tumultuous was how Crowley felt being questioned. That's not tumultuous. He may have felt surprised, confused, disappointed, embarrassed, any number of emotions. But an assertion of rights, without any threat or apprehension of violence, is not disorderly conduct, as a matter of law.

Asserting ones "so called" rights in a tumultuous manner in public is not protected by the constitution or the state of Massachusetts...and I'm pretty sure neither cares about your misguided opinion on the subject.

You are in clear error when the crux of your argument is the ability to assert ones rights without regard to the rights of others. You are just plain wrong about that...and really, it's just common sense isn't it?

The other error in your analysis is your incorrect definition of "tumultuous".

Mr. Gates himself did not need to show the threat of violence...it comes from his language and actions in public which could incite a riot or agitate the public in a public place.

There is case law on this going all the way back to the gangs of New York...which is where the disorderly conduct laws were born. Police needed a tool to quell hostilities between gangs of new immigrants and established immigrants. The state of Massachusetts agrees...it's a good law to have on the books to give police the enforcement tools they need to maintain safe public places and neighborhoods.

As far as what happened...the police report is collaborated by multiple eyewitness reports from neighbors and or passerby.

The constitution, the law of Massachusetts, trained and respected professional law enforcement and multiple eyewitness accounts are all on Sgt. Crowley's side here.

Give it up man...you need to go race bait somewhere else...maybe you can hook up with Obama.

He can't admit when he is clearly wrong either.