What style of play are you talking about?
Flat-calling AA in the BB is not a good play. 3-betting builds the pot and if called helps you narrow your opponent's range.
Raising the flop when the pre-flop raiser is leading into you and you hold the stone-cold nuts is not a good play. You risk losing him here; you'd rather he make his hand.
Jamming 2.5x the pot on the river when you hold a hand like this is overall not a good play. You KNOW your opponent does not have an A and a smaller-sized value bet will get more calls here.
It happened to work perfectly for his opponent here, but he made 3 bad moves IMO. What style of play were you referring to?
Hey Harry. Im talking in general. If i would ever play in a competitive form, I'd have everyone guessing what i have. Sure it may cost me a few bucks, but in the end you would be a feared opponent. Unpredictable. I think playing smart, but as if you have a unlimited bank, you could "mow" some tables on e you get a feel for it, no?
Yeah I don't think you quite got what I was saying exactly but whatever. I just threw out a few generalities about why it seemed like a peculiar (read: stupid) line by AA. I wasn't criticizing the call I was defending it. But I'm not the pro, I will shut up and let the guy who's actually playing keep sharing. :toast:
Eh, and I certainly could be wrong, but I view tournament play as a spot where if you know you have an edge (AA pre-flop in the BB, getting to dictate how much goes into the pot heading into the flop) you have to maximize that absolutely as much as you can. Which, in my opinion, and like harry mentioned, your priority should be to get the maximum possible return on your best hands. You're lucky if you get 7 or 8 such spots in a tournament. Results aside, and yes it definitely worked for the oppo. in this case, I will 10/10 times believe he misplayed the hand horribly.
But what the hell do I know? I'm not playing in the big tournies haha
To expand a little further, that helps what you're talking about bigbet. By attempting to max out your value with these 7 or 8 spots, it shows you're willing to felt it (bust out) and try to build as big of a pot as possible. People are going to be less likely to tangle with you unless they themselves are willing to bust out. Gives you a great edge, especially around the bubble. But I'm probably too aggressive for my own good.
Lol. I keep looking at the hand, and even without knowing the history between awm and the oppo, I don't see any other line awm can take with how AA played his hand. But that's why poker is great. There isn't just one way to be successful.
But in the long-term, oppo playing AA like that will go busto in poker in general haha. I always try to remind myself of such things.
Its so funny how all you geniuses who "play" the game for nickels and dimes think you know something about high stakes poker.
The one player busts awm and gets a ship load of his chips by way overbetting and its a WRONG play. What better result can be accomplished. Its not like everyday you get quads aces vs kings and then to get all the other guys money?
Seems like a genius to me. Like AWM mentioned a lot of psychology and past history is part of the play and you guys looking in who watched a few episodes of wpt and wsop or played free bar room poker dont really know jack.
Stick to figuring out why you cant get laid or why you wife left you for someone else and maybe you will come out ahead.
ps. Im just giving you dudes a hard time cuz Im also a loser who like to sit on the internet and think I know everything while doing nothing.
pps. seriously, you losers should try to figure out your own issues instead of trying to figure out why everyone else is wrong and why you know better.
And our entire point is that you can't let the notion that some hands beat you so you have to fold. You have to analyze the guy, his play, and the line he took on this hand to put him on a range of hands, which wouldn't contain A2 here IMO.
Just no way to believe this guy has A rag here. Wouldn't have checked turn on flushdraw board and with an ace rag would not have shoved the river (probably only going to get called by a hand that beats him like AQ, etc). A big part of poker is trying to determine what the other guy holds...would he have played A2 like that, no, PROBABLY not.
Anyway let's stop analyzing this one hand and get on to hearing stories about big cashes! :toast:
Ha wow, all the anger coming out in your post. I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong or right just trying to have a discussion about this hand. And I don't pretend to be a know-it-all, I think I prefaced several posts with "I'm not a pro"..."what do I know"...that kind of thing. Was just responding to the notion that it as a ludicrous call as presented by EF.
Whatever.
my thought on the hand without knowing previous history.... If villain always plays quads this way against any opponent he will be broke. Giving the fact that he and awm have a lot of history he might have played this very weird line to get the most money out of him which is genius. Villain is either a big donkey or a reg beater
Nice to see you fellas discussing the hand on a whole other level than I would expect here. There are a few posts here that completely impress me. Anyways, ran my stack from 4k to 21k after dinner. Then got it all in preflop against the only guy at the table that had me covered. This was such a large pot that the tournament director asked the dealer to stall for a minute before running it out. TD yelled at the pokernews reporter and said "we may have a new chip leader after this hand." I had KK he had AK...he improved on the turn and was reported as the chip leader at that point.... Try again tomorrow.
