http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/425985/amnesty-team-gutierrez-and-ryan-mark-krikorian
This is a breakdown of some PBS documentary with Gutierrez talking about how Ryan is a friend of the amnesty platform. I have no clue how true it is, and I'm sure now that Trump has taken over the GOP, Ryan will probably back off it but this is probably where some of the criticism comes from.
But this is the National Review, not some rag tag mouthbreathing clickbait Breitbart type of journalism.
This is a breakdown of some PBS documentary with Gutierrez talking about how Ryan is a friend of the amnesty platform. I have no clue how true it is, and I'm sure now that Trump has taken over the GOP, Ryan will probably back off it but this is probably where some of the criticism comes from.
But this is the National Review, not some rag tag mouthbreathing clickbait Breitbart type of journalism.
That would be absurd. Even Trump doesn't say that anymore. I think most people just want border security. The interesting debate is once the border is secure, how much immigration do they want after that?
The question nobody wants to really ask is, what are the social and economic ramifications of rapidly changing your countries demographics in just a few generations? Especially when most of the growth is from a 3rd world country. Will legals culturally assimilate better than illegals? I've read some research that says they do.
Are there minimal ramifications? Can you reduce it by importing the right kind of people? Should we work to control the population more? Could the government have some type of software that tracks the exact growth we need perfectly? Could the government enforce work visas better?
Just to echo what I was saying yesterday, it is definitely an example of how poor the discourse is in this country when the only real plan for immigration is to secure the border and there is minimal debate about what comes after that.
-do we continue to let a race/ethnicity basically become 25% of the population and their own special interest group?
-is the us more sustainable when only 10-15% of the population are non-natives like most of US history?
-how much legal immigration should there be going forward? My guess is GOP establishment and chamber of commerce have a big difference of opinion on this from your average primary voter. Trump really struck a nerve with people on this issue but there is very little talk about what happens going forward after the borde gets secured.
-should there be education/industry requirements?
I think much of the secure the border crowd misses how easy of a pivot it is to green cards and work visas.
-do we continue to let a race/ethnicity basically become 25% of the population and their own special interest group?
-is the us more sustainable when only 10-15% of the population are non-natives like most of US history?
-how much legal immigration should there be going forward? My guess is GOP establishment and chamber of commerce have a big difference of opinion on this from your average primary voter. Trump really struck a nerve with people on this issue but there is very little talk about what happens going forward after the borde gets secured.
-should there be education/industry requirements?
I think much of the secure the border crowd misses how easy of a pivot it is to green cards and work visas.
Personally, I'd like to see immigration be more need and merit based. I'm certainly in favor of bringing in highly skilled workers whenever possible. We should want the best and brightest. Unskilled labor should be based on need and through a temporary worker program. I'm less concerned about race/ethnicity than what the individuals add in value. That said, based on what I'm advocating, I'm not in favor of what's happened with our neighbor to the south.
Besides "Mexico is a 3rd world country with abject poverty and massive drug production so we should have strict border security with them" I didn't really care to look at the scope of the problem. Then it became the #1 issue in the primary which caught a lot of people by surprise I think, most always saw it as a 2nd tier issue.
When Japanese, Irish, Italians and many others came here in earlier generations, they never did so in such large numbers. 40% of people in this country aren't native born anymore. Cities have housing shortages, working class families in many areas can't find a neighborhood where English is the 1st language. You could make a pretty good argument that population growth in general should mostly come from native born citizens if you were talking about the most efficient way to build and sustain a society.
This is clearly a huge issue to a large number of people as well so hopefully it gets taken care of.
Then we can get back to more grand vision ideas like TPP, population control, extracting 3rd world resources, replacing humans with machines, reforming entitlements, deregulation, etc.
The problem got so bad because Republicans allowed Democrats to put the cart before the horse - they made all these concessions, including blanket amnesty, before the borders were secure, something Ronald Reagan deeply regretted and continues to haunt this debate to this day.
Democrats got everything they wanted, Republicans got nothing in return... same ol' song and dance.
Like you said, there are only two classes, the worker class and the class that collects all the rents. And the class that collects all the economic rents needs this massive immigration because other policies have been so bad that it has priced having 2 or 3 native born kids for working class people out of the market.
When you have people from Mexico or South America, their lifestyle expectations are so much lower that native born Americans just simply can't compete with them for many goods and services. How can 2 people in a city compete with a family of 5 living in an apartment, it just creates a race to the bottom.
And then just culturally, it clearly isn't mixing well. As we're seeing 1 party drift off into socialism.
Another thing with this is it just shows the complete lack of vision for the future from the government. Most of the border security legislation puts forward calls for significantly more legal immigration from both parties.
There is a lot of evidence we simply won't need that many people going forward. As I was telling Scott L in the technology/income inequality thread, there is a lot of evidence that the future of industry is going to get leaner and more efficient rather than more bigger and more expansive. Maybe it won't, maybe there will be new industries that will replace the old ones as far as job centers but there is no scientific law that states that will happen and we're flooding the country like it is a near certainty.
There is a lot of evidence we simply won't need that many people going forward. As I was telling Scott L in the technology/income inequality thread, there is a lot of evidence that the future of industry is going to get leaner and more efficient rather than more bigger and more expansive. Maybe it won't, maybe there will be new industries that will replace the old ones as far as job centers but there is no scientific law that states that will happen and we're flooding the country like it is a near certainty.
http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-08-02/no-one-s-actually-talking-about-immigration
This is what I am referring to. There is no actual debate on what the future of immigration should be.
This is what I am referring to. There is no actual debate on what the future of immigration should be.
Yes, the ruling class versus the working class.
The ruling class broke the country (welfare state, suicidal immigration, porous borders, unconstitutional central planning run amok, horrible trade deals and reckless monetary policies to compensate for the economic and social fallout) and now the working class have had enough and are in open rebellion. They don't know if Trump is the ultimate answer (he isn't) yet intuitively they sense something is dramatically wrong.
If the erosion, hollowing out and destruction continues over the next few years with President Trump or President Crooked Granny, the working class will lose total faith in the political system (as Trump says, "everything is rigged") and begin exploring alternatives.
For ruling class Republicans and ruling class Democrats, it's a football game - sometimes the 'R' wins, sometimes the 'D' wins, and meanwhile the rules of a corrupt game never change.
For the working class, it's their rights and freedoms disappearing before their eyes. Vastly expanded govt powers in many areas of their lives. Loads of stealth power expansions without public debate or democratic (small 'd') accountability. Hussein, Hillary, Holder, Lynch, Boehner, Ryan, and so many other crooked Harvard-Yale aristocratic nanny state power grabbers will never stop...until WE THE PEOPLE stop them!
I replied to you in the Meg Wittman thread and said something to the effect of this.
The political solution is anger, protest, backlash via Trump/Sanders axis, etc
However, a lot of the societal/cultural revolution is rediscovering the value of technology and creativity and how I think that is starting to show up in culture more now than the previous 10 years.
