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The more I read about this case, and see the evidence that wasn't included in the series, I think Avery is 100% guilty.

And, I don't think you can really call this a documentary, as the producers totally had a skewed agenda - and suppressed evidence.

It's really a bunch of agitprop.

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The more I read about this case, and see the evidence that wasn't included in the series, I think Avery is 100% guilty.

And, I don't think you can really call this a documentary, as the producers totally had a skewed agenda - and suppressed evidence.

It's really a bunch of agitprop.

You're a veteran skilled Poker Player, as such your brain's default setting is much different than the average Bear's and one built for this type of scenario. It's AutoPilot to you to analyze what is known, factor in what is unknown, calculate probabilities so what does your brain do with this stuff to reach the conclusion that he is Guilty:

1.) No DNA whatsoever of Victim in Bedroom (not even on her RAV Key)
2.) No DNA whatsoever of Victim in Bedroom (save for Bullet discovered, like RAV Key...later...after initial searches = Nada)
3.) No DNA ample to establish concrete ID of Victim from bones
4.) Bones proved to have been moved (via Expert Testimony)
5.) Suspect speaks calmly, playfully on phone 2x with gf directly during crime timeline
6.) Suspect's mental capacity would have seen him tripped up, confess either during Police Interview or w/in ensuing 10 years.
7.) Heat in Burn Barrel or Quarry or Fire Pit not ample to reduce body to this state of cremation
8.) Body cremated to a degree that no Tissue remains yet Phone, Camera within Burn Barrel inexplicably not fully incinerated
9.) State has zero proof of claims that Suspect left VM stating "why you no show" (4:35:13 pm TH Phone Call)
10.) State has zero inarguable proof (ie video) of claim that Suspect stated "she did not show up" as first defense to MCSD
11.) Suspect Blood in RAV obviously applied by Q-Tip.
12.) Hood Latch DNA discovered after Evidence Tech did not change gloves directly after handling other Suspect DNA Evidence
13.) Suspect had to have accomplished unprecedented cleaning of Crime Scenes yet leave RAV with visible blood in plain sight?
14.) When he has a Car Crusher within 70 yards of where he leaves the most damning piece of Evidence (RAV)?
15.) Smelter, ability to immolate RAV, utterly eliminate this but Suspect instead leaves RAV to certainly be discovered?
16.) No other suspects investigated despite deleted VMs, Criminal Histories of other possible perps
17.) Suspect had receipt from Burger King and eyewitnesses place him at BK during crime timeframe
18.) Propane Truck Driver sees Victim RAV leaving Avery Property between 3:30 and 4:00 pm
19.) Bus Driver sees Victim photo'ing Van at about 3:42pm (totally contradicting Brendan "Confession")
20.) Brendan "Confession" is baloney anyway and you know this, boy confessed so he could get back to school for 6th period.

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21.) and BOOM slamming cards down onto table: after God leads Pam Sturm to The RAV at 10:20 am or so on 11/05/05 Fire, LE and others are unleashed upon and subsequently crawl all over like ants The Yard looking for Victim or other evidence (this is how RAV plates are discovered within another car) yet we see no such "ants" within following photo so it therefore had to be from footage prior to RAV Discovery yet.....

The RAV ain't there.

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I cant believe that these 2 hillbillies pulled off such a gruesome murder in one of Two locations ( depending on who's being prosecuted ) and cleaned up better than a CSI unit.

Further more the evidence of coercion and other misleading facts presented by the prosecution to me outweighs their guilty claim. The whole thing stinks , every part of it.
 

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I cant believe that these 2 hillbillies pulled off such a gruesome murder in one of Two locations ( depending on who's being prosecuted ) and cleaned up better than a CSI unit.

That CleanUp managed to eliminate Victim's Blood even seeped into cracks in the concrete while leaving behind Deer Blood, Grime, Dust which had collected over years and....11 shell casings and....a spent bullet.

CleanUp like this defies explanation.
 

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That CleanUp managed to eliminate Victim's Blood even seeped into cracks in the concrete while leaving behind Deer Blood, Grime, Dust which had collected over years and....11 shell casings and....a spent bullet.

CleanUp like this defies explanation.
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He's guilty.

Haha. You keep saying that, but aren't giving any reasons why. The link you provided did not provide any additional info to make me think he's guilty.

There is doubt in my mind to whether he was involved or not. I don't think he was, but I would not be shocked either way.

Whether guilty or not, the whole thing proves the corruption of the whole system. Its sickening.
 

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Doing what I did for a living I feel 90% of people arrested are guilty. How the jury came back with a unanimous guilty decision is really unbelievable.
I don't care if he did it or not there is overwhelming evidence of reasonable doubt to aquit if we get the full story. There is a clear conflict of interest with the local Police department that was basically given a restraining order from the property, yet the found most of the physical evidence? What???
I am going to wait to sign the petition though.
 

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https://www.yahoo.com/tv/cold-case-expert-thinks-making-020034799.html

this is about 14 minutes but its worth a look. The super short version is this guy thinks that the murder of the girl may have been done by a serial killer named edward wayne edwards that was know for framing others for his murders. Plus atleast 2 of his killings also took place on halloween and when they did catch him in 2009 it was in Wisconsin about a 1 hour drive from Avery's property. Oh and the kicker, this guy thinks that this edwards guy is actually in the documentary in one of the scenes, which was also part of his MO.
 

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Just got done watching the series. Went in fresh without hearing about the show because I avoided it since I wanted to watch it.

My two cents:

Avery is guilty 95% chance IMO.

The nephew , 50/50.

The police department was pretty corrupt, maybe corrupt isn't the right word, maybe too harsh, but they certainly took liberties and should be punished.


I think Steven Avery was a bad person, even if he got wrongfully accused the one time. Before that seemed like he was a bad kid and hte police were probably looking for any reason to get him in jail. All the Averys were probably bad, like the first lawyers investigator wrote in the letter. There probably was inbreeding, rape, animal cruelty all through the Avery family.
 

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https://www.yahoo.com/tv/cold-case-expert-thinks-making-020034799.html

this is about 14 minutes but its worth a look. The super short version is this guy thinks that the murder of the girl may have been done by a serial killer named edward wayne edwards that was know for framing others for his murders. Plus atleast 2 of his killings also took place on halloween and when they did catch him in 2009 it was in Wisconsin about a 1 hour drive from Avery's property. Oh and the kicker, this guy thinks that this edwards guy is actually in the documentary in one of the scenes, which was also part of his MO.

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...another connection to Edward Edwards is that Avery's new lawyer Kathleen Zellner helped free Ryan Ferguson who was convicted of killing a journalist that Cameron says Edwards killed.

'Course Cameron says Edwards killed everyone from The Zodiac Killer Victims to Chandra Levy all the way to Jon Benet Ramsey so most people think Cameron is a few beans short of a Combo Platter and that Edwards did not kill the guy Ryan Ferguson was accused of killing but it is another "connection" well sort of.

Producers have announced that Season 2 of the series will be:

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Sounds like it could be good.
 

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I finished the series and will say the system is flawed. Even if he is guilty...there was never a motive and not enough evidence to support D.A. claim saying her throat was cut and shot 11 times. They did not find one piece of evidence to back this claim but the judge allowed it. That to me should have been grounds of a mistrial. The judge allowing the lab results for the bullet which could not be tested by the defense is unheard of and shouldn't ever been presented to the jury. IMO he was framed by someone...either his brother, brother in law or the ex bf and roommate of hers did it and set him up knowing cops would never look at them. I do believe cops planted evidence to make the charges stick. He should be granted new trial OUT of that county and I hope he gets it. There is no way these people with an IQ of 70 and 73 could clean all the so called blood splatters up in garage. It's borderline impossible.
 

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https://www.yahoo.com/tv/cold-case-expert-thinks-making-020034799.html

this is about 14 minutes but its worth a look. The super short version is this guy thinks that the murder of the girl may have been done by a serial killer named edward wayne edwards that was know for framing others for his murders. Plus atleast 2 of his killings also took place on halloween and when they did catch him in 2009 it was in Wisconsin about a 1 hour drive from Avery's property. Oh and the kicker, this guy thinks that this edwards guy is actually in the documentary in one of the scenes, which was also part of his MO.

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...another connection to Edward Edwards is that Avery's new lawyer Kathleen Zellner helped free Ryan Ferguson who was convicted of killing a journalist that Cameron says Edwards killed.

'Course Cameron says Edwards killed everyone from The Zodiac Killer Victims to Chandra Levy all the way to Jon Benet Ramsey so most people think Cameron is a few beans short of a Combo Platter and that Edwards did not kill the guy Ryan Ferguson was accused of killing but it is another "connection" well sort of.

Producers have announced that Season 2 of the series will be:

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Sounds like it could be good.

Crazy!!! Could be since they found bone fragments in different spots. Wouldn't THAT be a twist!!
 

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Another point how the fuck can you possibly have the same judge on appeal??? What is this the NFL?
 

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Another point how the fuck can you possibly have the same judge on appeal??? What is this the NFL?

Agreed. How fair does that seem. You basically have to force the judge to admit his incompetence in the original case. :ohno:

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