"Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan" -Mark Jackson

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It's about time.
Finally you are making sense.
Right now Jack is greater than Tiger all time PGA.
In five years Tiger may be (and probably will be) the greatest of all time.
But for now, let Tiger play 3 to 5 more years before we can dub him the greatest of all time.
Same applies to Kobe.


Finally making sense? This is the first time I have stated my opinion on the topic at hand.....I just like to see people debate on these type of subjects...I agree with you, we won't have a true debate on this subject for another 5-8 years..
 

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lol..okay...more points were score in NBA games during the Jordan era...uh zone defense?????...As you know Jordans inside game was better than Kobes...and you just stated some reasons as to why.....

Did you even read what I wrote??? Never mentioned anything about more points being scored in NBA games in either era. Only stated facts about how the rules changes geared towards perimeter players. And based on those rule changes, Kobe's inside game should be off the charts compared to Jordan, not the other way around. But it is the other way around, strengtening MJ's case over Kobe.
 

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Patrick Ewing and Afernee Hardaway are the best players of all time!

I'm not just saying that because they are my favorite players of all time.
The hell you say ?
 

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nba rings are only a small factor in greatness just like superbowl rings.........obvioulsy marino is a better qb than dilfer........so rings are almost borderline pointless.....kobe as i said is a much better pure shooter than jordan.........but michael had all the extras......kobe has some but not all yet.....he may still may.........kobe is the best now sorry lebron guys
 

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nba rings are only a small factor in greatness just like superbowl rings.........obvioulsy marino is a better qb than dilfer........so rings are almost borderline pointless.....kobe as i said is a much better pure shooter than jordan.........but michael had all the extras......kobe has some but not all yet.....he may still may.........kobe is the best now sorry lebron guys

Much Better pure shooter than Jordan Steak , Thats kind of hard to agree with , considering Kobe is a career .455 shooter and Jordan .497 ( would have been over .515 without final two years with Wiz ages 39 and 40)

Kobes best FG % in any of season his 13 year career was 46.9 % in 2001

Jordan has shot better than in 9 other seasons , with his best being 53.9 % in 1991 , He also has a 53.8 , and a 53.5 to his credit.

They're 3pt %s are FT%s are basically equal, even though Kobe heaves more long balls, but not enough to make up the drastic difference in FG %. So for you to tell us , Kobe is a waaaaaay better shooter than Jordan, I just don't understand how you can make that argument. Just cause One guy shoots more (and makes less) doesnt make him a better shooter.

Jordan used his jumper just as much as Kobe does and made more shots then he did. He was better inside as everybody in this thread agrees and just as dangerous outside. Jordan didn't need to hoist 5-8 3pointers a game, he had Kerr and Hodges as his 3pt pt guys, believe you me, If he needed to ... He would make them as well, as Evidenced by his NBA finals record 6 3pt FGs in first half against Portland.
 

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I was stating the era Jordan played in was different than todays era. More points were scored and other statistical categories due to differences in the rules and how the games were called, zone defenses, hand checking,..etc...which is a FACT....and for some resason zit brings up Colorado...lol

You are right, they never played a zone defense before it became legal. Zone defenses now allow more open shots from the three-point line.
 

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Much Better pure shooter than Jordan Steak , Thats kind of hard to agree with , considering Kobe is a career .455 shooter and Jordan .497 ( would have been over .515 without final two years with Wiz ages 39 and 40)

Kobes best FG % in any of season his 13 year career was 46.9 % in 2001

Jordan has shot better than in 9 other seasons , with his best being 53.9 % in 1991 , He also has a 53.8 , and a 53.5 to his credit.

They're 3pt %s are FT%s are basically equal, even though Kobe heaves more long balls, but not enough to make up the drastic difference in FG %. So for you to tell us , Kobe is a waaaaaay better shooter than Jordan, I just don't understand how you can make that argument. Just cause One guy shoots more (and makes less) doesnt make him a better shooter.

Jordan used his jumper just as much as Kobe does and made more shots then he did. He was better inside as everybody in this thread agrees and just as dangerous outside. Jordan didn't need to hoist 5-8 3pointers a game, he had Kerr and Hodges as his 3pt pt guys, believe you me, If he needed to ... He would make them as well, as Evidenced by his NBA finals record 6 3pt FGs in first half against Portland.
todays game diff rupe........kobe has more touch than jordan ever had on his jumper.....it isnt close......but i still give jordan the nod overall......if they played horse outside of 20 feet jordan would lose is all im saying.........i like jordan better...i know a lot of guys hate kobe and thats fine
 

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Did you even read what I wrote??? Never mentioned anything about more points being scored in NBA games in either era. Only stated facts about how the rules changes geared towards perimeter players. And based on those rule changes, Kobe's inside game should be off the charts compared to Jordan, not the other way around. But it is the other way around, strengtening MJ's case over Kobe.

opinions are just that...opinions. We can agree to disagree.
 

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here's a better look at kobe getting his ass kicked by chris childs .....comes in at the 43 second mark
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i love that!
 

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opinions are just that...opinions. We can agree to disagree.

The way the game is called today favoring guards is not opinion, it is common knowledge. The fact that it strengthens Jordan's resume while weakening Kobe's resume is also not opinion.
 

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The way the game is called today favoring guards is not opinion, it is common knowledge. The fact that it strengthens Jordan's resume while weakening Kobe's resume is also not opinion.

LMFAO...you say the Jordan era favored the inside game. It is common knowledge that Jordan had a better inside game than Kobe...hence weakening Jordans resume. Hand checking, zone denfense, and every other differnece in how the game was called in the Jordan era compared to the present was different.

Let me ask you a question. Why were more points scored during the Jordan era compared to the present?
 

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LMFAO...you say the Jordan era favored the inside game. It is common knowledge that Jordan had a better inside game than Kobe...hence weakening Jordans resume. Hand checking, zone denfense, and every other differnece in how the game was called in the Jordan era compared to the present was different.


Can't believe this is that hard of a concept for you to grasp...

The Jordan era favored inside game for post up players, which is why the era was essentially dominated by such (Robinson, Ewing, Hakeem, Barkley, etc). It most definitely did not favor perimeter players who attempted to go inside. With the hand checking rules, and whistle happy refs of todays game, perimeter players not only have a much easier time getting into the lane, but they have less to worry about when going to the rim. No worry of getting knocked down hard without major repricusions to the opposing player (flagrant, ejection, suspension, etc).

To recap, the Jordan era favored low post players, but today's game favors perimeter players getting to the rim. Last time I checked, both Jordan and Kobe were perimeter players who liked to go to the rim. Thus, with the rule differences of the era's, Jordans inside accomplishments only strengthen his case over Kobe! Not sure if I can make this more clear for you.
 

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nba rings are only a small factor in greatness just like superbowl rings.........obvioulsy marino is a better qb than dilfer........so rings are almost borderline pointless.....kobe as i said is a much better pure shooter than jordan.........but michael had all the extras......kobe has some but not all yet.....he may still may.........kobe is the best now sorry lebron guys
Jordan the better shooter.
 

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If the game was designed to favor inside post play, Jordan should have been a 7' center. It doesn't matter how the points are scored, all that matters is that the player helps his team score them. With scoring down this decade compared to last, it means each point Bryant helps his team score is more valuable than each point Jordan helped his team score

The only problem with that arguement is that also means having the best defensive players was a bigger edge in the 90s than now. Also have to remember that Jordan simply did so much more when he was on the court that it more than makes up for the slight evolution of the league. The thing I cannot get over is that Jordan was always the best player in the game once he hit his prime, including six NBA Finals. In five NBA Finals, Bryant was the best player on the floor once

I would put Bryant right there with Robertson, maybe a smidgen behind, very likely to surpass him and possibly even Bird in the next few years
 

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Better scorer ? Is this some kind of joke? MJ avgd. 30.1 ppg and shot .497%, this after the 2 seasons with the Wiz that dropped him below 31 ppg and under 50% fg. Kobe's a mediocre 25.1 ppg and .455 fg %.
 
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just watched Kobe on Conan , he was pretty cool, yet i still dislike the Lakers and him, but i always give him props, he is the best player since Jordan i always say.
 

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MJ: 33.4pts career playoff average. 10 scoring titles.

KB: 24.7pts career playoff average. 2 scoring titles.

As a rookie, Jordan averaged 28.2 ppg, 6.5 rbpg and 5.9 apg,
while shooting 51.5% from the field and 84.5% from the line.

Kobe in his prime is close to Jordan's rookie season.
 

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just watched Kobe on Conan , he was pretty cool, yet i still dislike the Lakers and him, but i always give him props, he is the best player since Jordan i always say.
Yea, he did alright. "pretend you are a frog on a lily pad."
 

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im pretty much at the flip a coin stage between them.

this talk of it not being close is stupid. they are very very close.
 

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