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I used to go to Jai Alai even when I was broke just to watch the greats play the game. I always wanted to witness pro baseball, basketball, or pro football players, or anyone else who thought they were an athlete, strap on a cesta and watch the carnage. Even better would have been getting the fence crows out there for a quick pelota to the gut. Just watching the early game players will give a reasonable person some idea of the difficulty of this game. These are athletic people that have been playing the game for years and they still look overmatched on a nightly basis. Just learning to get yourself in position must take years to master never mind throwing and catching. If Jai Alai was still around here in CT I would be one of the so called degenerates attending for sure.

That is a bit unfair....asking an athlete to try a very foreign game, stone cold. A good athlete, like a Kobe Bryant could be an excellent pelotari, given a chance to learn the game, and be fairly decent in a few months, but not pro material, that quick.

There was some big fat black guy ( black jai alai players are rare), a linebacker type that played at Milford briefly. This guy played in the NFL when their players went on strike, later played jai alai ( maybe one season).

He wasn't very good, but could throw hard... if he got to the pelota.

His playing name was Fo ( rhymes with hoe), spelling may be off.

Point is you need time to learn how to throw the pelota.... keep arm straight at the elbow, cesta has the curvature... otherwise pelota slams into the floor.

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Jai alai was such a beautiful sport, such a shame it has fallen so hard, and so few ever got to see it played, much less actually learn to play it fairly well.

It was fairly easy to become a professional player,even as an American, because not that many people (kids) play, even in Spain.

A guy with an arm...ie a a basball pitcher like a Randy Johnson, would make a great backcourt player, if trained to play pelota vasca... but poco dinero ever existed playing.

I'd suggest any sports fan here, visiting Florida ( esp. Miami), check it out.... while you can, bet a 5/23 trifecta ( for $2), decent chance it hits over 12 games or so.... just for action. $48 max loss... a couple hundred if it wins.
 

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Hard to believe now but Jai Alai was huge in Tampa at one time. I think it was 80's but if you went to the fronton on Saturday night you would have to fight for seats. Everyone was there it seemed, you could bet, hang out with your buddies, chase skirts around. Yep, place used to be filled with pussy back in those days. Down here there was a big strike, you could ride down Dale Mabry and your favorite player would be out waving signs. That seemed to be the beginning of the end. When the players came back it was never the same again.

My favorites back then I didn't see mentioned were guys like Arra, young but very good. Probably the best in Tampa at the time. There was another kid that came in named Castanos I believe, big! He could ace you on the serve, only guy I saw that did it on a semi-regular basis. He was so tall and strong that when he used english if it hit deep in the servers area it would bounce over their heads. Others I liked who played before the strike in Tampa was Laca, Rufino, Javier and too many more to mention. Back then Miami had the best players with Tampa second. They would have contests where players from both frontons and Ocala I think would play against each other. Once again you could almost forget even finding a seat, the place would be packed and you would see some stars from the other places play against your boys. Good times.
 

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I used to go all the time to the Hartford, Milford & Bridgeport Frontons.

The best player ever in my opinion was Cachin. Man was a terror, especially in singles.

Hartford used to have 1 or 2 games per card where they would have 3 man teams. It was crazy seeing 6 guys out there at once.

Badiola was a great fixer. a few of the guys have been caught fixing in CT. Once in a while if I am at OTB, I'll take a glance and see them dump the pelota out and I'll just laugh. It's as crooked as it comes. I'd rather play 3 card monte on a street corner before placing a jai alai bet LOL

I will never forget the 7-6-5 tri I hit at Bridgeport for almost 7 G's. The crazier the numbers, the better the payout.


Used to hit the 3 frontons also. They did go from hot spots to absolute dumps once Foxwoods opened. There is no question Casinos killed the game in CT.

Loved Cachin, especially when paired with Chimela. Bolivar however, may have been the best. Do you remember the short and stocky Elu? I did enjoy the game in it's day. Was a $6 Q-box player.
 

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Great thread - I used to go to Milford and Bridgeport right about 10-15 years ago right when I turned 18.

My favorite player was Xabat but I do remember Tevin and the other big african-american Fo.

Bad man Badiola was a great backcourt player but like someone else said here was know to "dump" it.

I remember a few other names like Arriaga, Richard, Solozabal.
 

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There is a certain wiseguy that many fellow professional gamblers know whose nickname is "JAI-ALAI" whom made over a million dollars capping(manipulating the pools) in certain Florida Jai-Alai arenas.

There may be one or two posters on this forum who may know the individual whom I'm speaking about.


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Anybody a fan of the game?

I go to see it played live , but for those of you not aware, you can watch the games live online, and bet as well.

The sport is going through some tough times for lots of reasons, but back in the day, there was no better place to be on a Saturday night then at the Fronton, with some big money people pouring in from all over to watch

If any of you are looking for new ways to lose , I mean gamble, your money

Check it out

I would love to try and spread the word, attract new fans, and help keep a great sport alive

PS, I am just a fan, I have nothing else to gain !!

http://www.dania-jai-alai.com/

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Ill be at Dania tonight, wifes out of town!
 

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we used to go and throw our money away at the jai alai place up in newport, r.i. back in the day...

-that game is as rigged is it comes!

used to go to the fronton in Tampa on Dale Mabry just down from the stadium all the time back in the 80's....it was a ton of fun, and once u get to know the players, can be profitable as well...
 

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I'll never forget the time when my best friend and I went to a Jai Alai match in Tijuana when we were about 18 or 19 years old.

So, we decide were going to bet quinella's. We had a few combinations and as the match had finished and we saw that we had the winning ticket we looked on the board which had all of the quinella combinations. Well, we see that we hit the winning quinella at 92-1, at least we thought we did. We were jumping up and down like little high school girls yelling "we won" "we won 92-1 OMG". In our excitement a mexican man said to us no no you no win 92-1 you win 9 ta 2. Would you freakin believe that the light bulb which was not working properly on the board was out and if it was working properly it would have made it look like 9/2 instead of 92/1. To this day my buddy and I laugh about how we thought we'd won a quinella at 92/1 instead we hit it for a measley 9/2.@):mad:
 

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I'll never forget the time when my best friend and I went to a Jai Alai match in Tijuana when we were about 18 or 19 years old.

So, we decide were going to bet quinella's. We had a few combinations and as the match had finished and we saw that we had the winning ticket we looked on the board which had all of the quinella combinations. Well, we see that we hit the winning quinella at 92-1, at least we thought we did. We were jumping up and down like little high school girls yelling "we won" "we won 92-1 OMG". In our excitement a mexican man said to us no no you no win 92-1 you win 9 ta 2. Would you freakin believe that the light bulb which was not working properly on the board was out and if it was working properly it would have made it look like 9/2 instead of 92/1. To this day my buddy and I laugh about how we thought we'd won a quinella at 92/1 instead we hit it for a measley 9/2.@):mad:

I never have seen a Q pay only 9-2 !
 

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The highest payout in the history of Dania Jai-Alai was on March 1, 1984 when a $2 Pick 6 bet paid $690,052.80. (A Pick 6 bet involves picking the winners of six designated games).

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[SIZE=+3]Jai-Alai, a sport with a South Florida flair[/SIZE]

By HAL HABIB
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Saturday, May 30, 2009

It's a Friday night at Miami Jai-Alai and the place is dead. Only 46 seats are taken - 47 if you include the center-court spot occupied by a garbage can cordoned off by yellow police tape. Evidently, the chair is in the same state of disrepair as its surroundings.

The upside, if it can be called that, is that those 46 souls surpassed by seven the crowd at a Dania Jai-Alai matinee three days prior.

Few people care about jai-alai anymore. Many under 30 haven't even heard of it.

Those are easy conclusions to draw by anyone who wants to sweep jai-alai into a pile with horse racing and boxing as sports that belong in a museum or a memory.

But look closer at that heap and you'll see not just a few dozen men with strange wicker baskets attached to their hands. You'll see slivers of Miami itself, and Fort Lauderdale, and West Palm Beach.

You'll see Florida.

"No visit to Miami is complete without seeing at least one game of jai-alai," says the ad, whose yellowing signifies that bygone era. Hype, that was not, because long before a garbage can sat in that courtside seat, the game personified a slice of life in South Florida.

If you sat in that seat, it meant you bought it for the entire season, then wedged your way through the masses for the right to use it.

"Say 'hi-li' " is how the ads back then read, and South Floridians said it, all right. Jai-alai came along four decades before the Miami Dolphins, and it took years for the Fins' attendance to surpass Miami Jai-Alai's annual gate. (A newcomer named Don Shula was humbled there one evening when informed that fans actually were shouting "Chula!" to hail outstanding shots.)

"It was like New Year's Eve," says Stan Schauer, 84, a 30-year diehard who comes to Dania to wager every Tuesday afternoon with a dozen fellow residents of Boynton Beach's Valencia Lakes. "Everybody came here."

Bob Hope did. So did Hubert Humphrey and Babe Ruth and Jackie Gleason. Rocky I (Marciano) and Rocky II (Sylvester Stallone). Ernest Hemingway visited, and wrote about, the fronton in Havana.

The romance is long gone

There was something romantic about this centuries-old Spanish sport that resembles a distant cousin of racquetball played on a three-walled court some 175 feet long and 50 feet wide.Something quaint about betting on these spider men who scaled the protective screen and the walls in relentless pursuit of a pelota soaring fast enough to shatter bulletproof glass.

In the original days, when the Miami fronton was known as Biscayne Jai-Alai, gentlemen wore suits; women, flowing dresses. Between games, an orchestra satisfied those who wanted to rumba.

Miami seated about 6,500, but old-timers tell of Saturday nights when there were thousands more standing 10 deep along the outer aisles. If you called on a Monday for a seat on a Saturday, maybe you'd get one. Maybe.

"Now, somebody asks you, you can give them the whole section if they want - 'What do you want, Section A, B, C?' " one veteran says.

The speaker? Joey Cornblit, but to longtime South Floridians, "Joey" suffices. He's now 53, living in Plantation and a grandfather, but for 25 years, Joey was one of the top jai-alai players in the world, if not numero uno.

Joey was a brash high school kid from Miami whose parents had to sign his first professional contract because he was only 16. The "nice Jewish boy" quickly transcended the game: When Miami's Larry King went national with his radio show, his first guests were Gleason, Shula and Joey.

Eventually, Joey figured, he'd become a jai-alai analyst on TV. Except there is no jai-alai on TV.

There's barely jai-alai.

"It's on life-support," Joey says. "It just saddens me to see."

There used to be 14 frontons in the United States. Today, only two in the country offer performances year-round - Dania and Miami. Only four others remain, all in Florida, including Fort Pierce, but they offer jai-alai about two months a year largely to maintain licenses for poker rooms. Inter-track wagering is another lifeline for frontons.

Palm Beach Jai-Alai closed in 1994 and shares the fronton graveyard with those from Connecticut, Rhode Island and Nevada. In 2005, a small facility outside Gainesville became the first pro fronton to open in the United States in 27 years.

No longer the place to be seen

What happened to jai-alai? A series of body blows neither Rocky could have absorbed: Player strikes. The introduction of Indian casinos. The lottery. An influx of pro teams. Cable and satellite TV. A novelty that aged. The fall has been nastier than any jai-alai player's thud on the floor. For the 2007-08 fiscal year, $68.7 million was bet on the sport in Florida, compared with $430.3 million wagered 20 years before.

"It was part of the fabric," says Benny Bueno, 45, a veteran player at Fort Pierce Jai-Alai.

Bueno had a speaking part in a jai-alai-themed episode of Miami Vice, which featured the sport as prominently as bikinis in its weekly opening credits. Today, many diehards hope slot machines or more card games can be saviors, although those hopes have been voiced for years.

"People think dinosaurs are extinct, or jai-alai is extinct," Bueno says. "It's not. It's coming back."

Can it?

"To where it was?" says Daniel Michelena, Miami Jai-Alai's director of player personnel and a standout player from 1983-2001. "I'm not sure it will."

Boyd Gaming, Dania's parent company, says several factors including the economy have caused it to drop renovation plans, including slots. Miami's executives did not respond to requests for details on their plans or the state of the facility.

"Miami Jai-Alai, Dania Jai-Alai, used to be the place to be seen at," Joey says. "It was first class. The best jai-alai in the world was played there. There was nothing more electric in town than coming on a Saturday night when you had 10,000, 12,000 people screaming, the ball hitting the front wall with a cracking sound you could hear walking in the front door ..."

Now, Palm Beach Jai-Alai on 45th Street is abandoned. Boxing promoter Don King and wife Henrietta bought the building for $6.25 million in 1999 and planned to pour millions into renovations for a "state of the art" entertainment complex.

Now, Don says, it's for sale.

Since the court is intact, could jai-alai return? Doubtful. King bought it from the Palm Beach Kennel Club, which in an effort to avoid competition did not include the pari-mutuel license in the deal.

"What a turnaround it would be if the self-proclaimed greatest promoter would turn around and bring it back," Bueno says.

King: "I haven't contemplated that."

Trying to dodge death

If the walls of South Florida's frontons could talk, they might out-yap even King. In 1978, the original Palm Beach Jai-Alai was destroyed by an arsonist who might have had ties to organized crime. In 1981, Roger Wheeler, owner of Miami Jai-Alai's parent firm, World Jai-Alai, was killed by a mob enforcer.

In 1987, someone won $97,345 at Fort Pierce and gave it to his church. In '97, a Dania employee was rescued after trying to hang himself from the balcony during play. In 2004, a robber made off with $7,000 from the Washington Mutual across the street from Dania and figured he'd play poker until the heat wore off. Deputies nabbed him, the loot and his chips. Now, frontons are so quiet that when Dania spectators point out a scoreboard error, players stop and look up.

"It's not easy" to play before such sparse crowds, says Aminol Lopez, who in jai-alai tradition is known by just one name, Lopez, and is Miami's leader in wins. "You have to focus on the game and not think there is nobody there."

Lopez, a Spaniard, is only 25. His generation never experienced the electricity Joey recalls.

"We've heard stories about it," Lopez says. "But now, reality is different."

The annual handle at Dania and Miami is about $18 million each, roughly half of what it was two decades ago. "I don't want to say it's a dying sport," says Pembroke Pines' Kenny Krinsky, a Dania regular. "But I think it is."

The restaurants inside Dania and Miami are closed. The only modern areas are the card rooms.

"I'm surprised that building is still up," Joey says of Miami. "The building is dilapidated. They really need to level it and build another building, but that's not going to happen."

Joey's accomplishments are well-represented in the lobby, where a room is filled with the sport's memorabilia. The glory days stretch so far back that one ad is from the Cuban National Tourist Commission, touting Pan Am's Miami-to-Havana flights for jai-alai fans. Another ad, referring to the rare fatal injury suffered in the sport, takes on an entirely different meaning today.

"The Game of Dodging Death," it says.

Is jai-alai itself dodging death? Maybe an omen sits in the dark perimeter of the fronton, where a TV is on even though its picture tube is blown, leaving only a thin, horizontal line through the middle of the screen.

Sadly, it looks like a flat line.​

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It's a Friday night at Miami Jai-Alai and the place is dead. Only 46 seats are taken - 47 if you include the center-court spot occupied by a garbage can cordoned off by yellow police tape. Evidently, the chair is in the same state of disrepair as its surroundings.

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That says it all !

I'd bet the quality of play in Miami is still top notch, but dependent on places like Foxwoods to help feed the parimutual pools.

It used to be such a hot game in CT, in the early years before casinos, every seat sold, and quite the place to be ( late 70's). It was PACKED !
 

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Miami Jai-Alai Results
Evening Performance - Saturday May 30, 2009

Game 1 Singles/7 pts Game 2 Doubles/7 pts
6 Cavier 8.40 11.00 3.60 3 Patxi-Alejandro 9.40 4.60 3.00
1 Xala 3.80 6.00 8 Tico-Aizpitarte 12.80 7.60
5 Alejandro 6.00 4 Xala-Manuel 2.80
Quiniela 1-6 $28.40 Quiniela 3-8 $34.40
Perfecta 6-1 $168.90 Perfecta 3-8 $168.30
Trifecta 6-1-5 $235.00 Trifecta 3-8-4 $231.00
Scratches: Fernandez (Arriza)

Game 3 Doubles/7 pts Game 4 Doubles/9 pts
7 Tico-Santiso 28.40 7.00NO/TIX 5 Benat-Santiso 35.80 17.40NO/TIX
2 Aizarna-Dezec 3.20 3.40 1 Aragues-Guisasola 5.00 6.40
4 Xala-Arriza NO/TIX 2 Enrique-Aizpitarte 3.60
Quiniela 2-7 $41.20 4 Patxi-Dezec
Perfecta 7-2 $130.80 Quiniela 1-5 $23.80
Trifecta 7-2-4 $713.20 Perfecta 5-1 $102.00
Scratches: Fernandez (Arriza) Trifecta 5-1-2 $326.60
Superfecta 5-1-2-ALL $474.30
Daily Double (7)+(5) Paid $75.80
Scratches: Fernandez (Conrado)

Game 5 Singles/7 pts Game 6 Doubles/7 pts
1 Aragues 7.00 2.20 2.60 2 Aragues-Alejandro 6.00 4.00 2.80
3 Enrique 2.20 2.40 8 Cavier-Santiso 7.40 8.00
5 Aizarna 3.20 5 Tico-Arriza 8.00
Quiniela 1-3 $16.80 Quiniela 2-8 $35.40
Perfecta 1-3 $68.40 Perfecta 2-8 $215.10
Trifecta 1-3-5 $286.80 Trifecta 2-8-5 $304.40
Scratches: Fernandez (Benat)

Game 7 Doubles/7 pts Game 8 Doubles/9 pts
1 Cavier-Guisasola 19.00 15.80 6.60 6 Bereikua-Lopez 14.00 4.80 2.10
2 Jon-Dezec 3.40 5.00 8 Lejardi-Erkiaga 3.60 2.10
4 Aritz-Manuel NO/TIX 4 Aritz-Ladutxe 2.10
Quiniela 1-2 $29.40 3 Zinkunegi-Chauderon
Perfecta 1-2 $72.60 Quiniela 6-8 $23.40
Trifecta 1-2-4 $266.80 Perfecta 6-8 $63.00
Scratches: Fernandez (Santiso) Trifecta 6-8-4 $372.00
Superfecta 6-8-ALL-ALL $733.20

Game 9 Singles/7 pts Game 10 Doubles/9 pts
6 Arrasate 12.00 10.40 6.00 3 Goikoetxea-Ladutxe 14.20 8.80 2.80
4 Ricky 7.00 4.00 1 Rekalde-Ricky 6.00 4.40
1 Tevin 4.00 5 Lejardi-Irastorza 2.40
Quiniela 4-6 $54.20 6 Zinkunegi-Lopez
Perfecta 6-4 $180.30 Quiniela 1-3 $29.40
Trifecta 6-4-1 $214.60 Perfecta 3-1 $60.90
Trifecta 3-1-5 $136.80
Superfecta 3-1-5-ALL $393.60

Game 11 Doubles/7 pts Game 12 Singles/7 pts
6 Rekalde-Irastorza 6.00 4.20 3.00 2 Irastorza 17.40 5.00 2.40
4 Zinkunegi-Erkiaga 8.60 3.80 3 Goikoetxea 3.60 2.40
2 Bereikua-Chauderon 5.60 8 Luis NO/TIX
Quiniela 4-6 $41.60 Quiniela 2-3 $14.40
Perfecta 6-4 $87.90 Perfecta 2-3 $95.40
Trifecta 6-4-2 $219.20 Trifecta 2-3-8 $328.00
Daily Double (6)+(2) Paid $53.20

Game 13 Doubles/9 pts
4 Arrasate-Lopez 5.00 3.80 2.40
2 Bereikua-Irastorza 3.20 2.80
3 Lejardi-Chauderon 3.40
6 Zinkunegi-Ladutxe
Quiniela 2-4 $16.00
Perfecta 4-2 $51.60
Trifecta 4-2-3 $137.80
Superfecta 4-2-3-6 $355.60
ATTENDANCE 191 HANDLE $60,567

Sat night...191 attendance, and a pitiful handle of 60k ( over 13 games), a lot of no tix for show
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The question is what is more rigged: Jai-alai or borat tea bagging emimem?

the only time jai alai isnt rigged is when they play the tournaments and everyone is duking it out and you actually lose money if you pick the right people.
 

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When you watch the game live, you wouldnt think the game was" rigged"

Hopefully as slots get added to the few frontons left, some money will be invested in the buildings, to give it the glitz and glitter it needs to bring the crowds back
 

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The question is what is more rigged: Jai-alai or borat tea bagging emimem?

the only time jai alai isnt rigged is when they play the tournaments and everyone is duking it out and you actually lose money if you pick the right people.


Do you really believe these guys are going to risk their careers and criminal prosecution if caught on a handle of 60K? How much could they really make doing that?
 

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No way you fix jai-alai with the current handle !

Maybe 5k a game bet ( on a good night, like Fri/Sat).

Much less on other nights.

Jai alai breaks down roughly like this:

55% on Trifecta
30% on Quinella
10% on Exacta/Perfecta
5% on WPS

You'd need to steal the Tri pool with a difficult combo like 6-8-7, or something, only get 3k.... with the only ticket.

Players are low paid, esp. now, but they wouldn't stoop to this, and you'd need everybody in on it.


However it did happen in Milford, Ct.... back when handles were much higher, but it was only a few mediocre players involved, mostly American players, I believe.

Pretty nice ( as a bettor), if you know 3 of 8 numbers won't likely hit the board.

That was a rare case.

Now players might not play so hard for 50 fans in attendance, and a truck driver type salary, but it is not fixed, IMO !
 

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