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[JustinCruise]

Liberal Arts undergrad combined with Ivy MBA or Law is the most common profile. Undergrad business degrees are a waste of time.

I very much agree with this (unless you have a guarenteed job waiting for you somewhere) based on my own experiences and those of people I know.

 

[CHOPTALK]

I very much agree with this (unless you have a guarenteed job waiting for you somewhere) based on my own experiences and those of people I know.

The knowledge you learn is not useless if you are smart enough to apply what you learned and put it into the real world.
But as far as thinking its some sort of lottery ticket it is 100% useless.

You are going to have to get out of the mindset of thinking that degrees in and of itself is going to get you somewhere in life.


There is nothing less attractive to a potential employeer then a 35 year old with 4 degrees and not having a real job his or her entire life.

 

[JustinCruise]

The knowledge you learn is not useless if you are smart enough to apply what you learned and put it into the real world.
But as far as thinking its some sort of lottery ticket it is 100% useless.

You are going to have to get out of the mindset of thinking that degrees in and of itself is going to get you somewhere in life.


There is nothing less attractive to a potential employeer then a 35 year old with 4 degrees and not having a real job his or her entire life.

I just think a degree that gives you some sort of specific skill is much more useful...like accounting, engineering, etc....

 

[Enfuego]

Justin, im going to be nice.
What I am going to tell you is well intentioned, not intended to put you down but actually give you some solid advice.

I think you have a really bad case of degreeitus. I made that word up.

What I mean is you are one of those people who gets a degree then goes into the real world and finds out that your degree is not a lottery ticket to wealth and riches.
So then you conclude that your problem is you need another degree.
That will solve the problem.
Then you go get another degree thinking that: "now the world will bow down to me and shower me with riches".
Then you go back into the real world for another 6 months only to find out that the real world is not impressed.
So then you say to yourself: "well I will go get another degree.

This goes on and on and on.

I got out of that rat race after 1.5 years of college.
I learned that I would be better off getting good at something then wasting my time in a classroom.

The secret to being a success in life is to be good at something.
You have to be able to find something in life that is valuable that you are better at then over 99% of the population.

This country is flooded with idiots with degrees that think think they are auto entitled to all the great jobs. But many of these people are useless.

Give me a 4 year grad that went to a public university and payed his way through college with a 3.0 with a head on there shoulders over a career student who has not done shit his whole life at a top 20 school with a 3.9 GPA 8 days a week.


Nothing worse then an advanced grad who thinks he or she is entitled.


People pay you for being talented in the work place.
Not for having a degree never having a meaningful job your entire life.


And dont believe the BS about its who you know.

You make your life what it is good or bad.


You control your own destiny.

Bad bad advice.

A) Sometimes you need a degree just to get your foot in the door.

B) With no degree and unless you own your own company, at some point you will plateau and not continue to advance without a degree on your resume.

 

[Enfuego]

That would mean there are over 500 lawyers on therx.
Far above your 1 estimate.

I should've said active posters.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Bad bad advice.

A) Sometimes you need a degree just to get your foot in the door.

B) With no degree and unless you own your own company, at some point you will plateau and not continue to advance without a degree on your resume.

I knew someone was going to say that.
At the end of the day the cream always rises to the top.

 

[bigtendominator]

I knew someone was going to say that.
At the end of the day the cream always rises to the top.

Pharmaceutical industry won't interview you without a degree. IT/tech is the one place you can get away with practical application.

 

[Enfuego]

I knew someone was going to say that.
At the end of the day the cream always rises to the top.

What % of CEOs in this country are without a college degree Chop in your opinion? How many college athletic directors or sports general managers? Again, not talking about innovaters that run their own business though.

There is a ceiling for people without one. Fact.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Bad bad advice.

A) Sometimes you need a degree just to get your foot in the door.

B) With no degree and unless you own your own company, at some point you will plateau and not continue to advance without a degree on your resume.

Graduating from college increases your odds of getting a job that pays 80K per year.
But not graduating from college does not hurt your odds much of making 10 million a year.

College graduation helps raise your floor but it does not raise your celling much.
There are a few exceptions like law and medical of course.

 

[Enfuego]

Graduating from college increases your odds of getting a job that pays 80K per year.
But not graduating from college does not hurt your odds much of making 10 million a year.

College graduation helps raise your floor but it does not raise your celling much.
There are a few exceptions like law and medical of course.

Only true if you're talking about running your own company Chop. No way you can advance in a Fortune 500 company without one.

 

[CHOPTALK]

There is no celling for not graduating from college unless you want to call being the richest person in the world a celling.

 

[Enfuego]

There is no celling for not graduating from college unless you want to call being the richest person in the world a celling.

I repeat, there is a ceiling unless you run your own company. Certainly there is a ceiling in any company across America.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Only true if you're talking about running your own company Chop. No way you can advance in a Fortune 500 company without one.

I guess what im trying to say is you can only go so far in corporate america working for someone.
College is great for getting a degree in a something then hiring on to a fortune 1000 company doing your 30 years and retiring with a nice pension.
Nothing wrong with that.

This is why I said college helps you raise your floor.

But the really well off people go out on there own and make it happen with there talent.

It is not disputable that getting a degree is better then not having one.

As long as you put it in the proper perspective.

If I see someone on the street that makes 30K per year there is almost a 100% chance that person did not go to college.
If I see someone on the street that makes 150K per year there is a great chance that person graduated from college.
If I see someone on the street that makes 20 million per year the odds he graduated from college is less then the odds of the person who makes 150K per year.

 

[Enfuego]

I guess what im trying to say is you can only go so far in corporate america working for someone.
College is great for getting a degree in a something then hiring on to a fortune 1000 company doing your 30 years and retiring with a nice pension.
Nothing wrong with that.

This is why I said college helps you raise your floor.

But the really well off people go out on there own and make it happen with there talent.

It is not disputable that getting a degree is better then not having one.

As long as you put it in the proper perspective.

If I see someone on the street that makes 30K per year there is almost a 100% chance that person did not go to college.
If I see someone on the street that makes 150K per year there is a great chance that person graduated from college.
If I see someone on the street that makes 20 million per year the odds he graduated from college is less then the odds of the person who makes 150K per year.

Are you saying that people that earn undergrads and grads aren't talented? I mean if I earn 100K per year I better be talented I guess.

 

[CHOPTALK]

I repeat, there is a ceiling unless you run your own company. Certainly there is a ceiling in any company across America.

I understand what you are saying. There is an advantage having a degree in corporate america vs not having one.

But the truly truly special always seem to will themselves to the top.

Justin says he is in a dead end sales job where he is at.
Justin fails to understand that great sales people are most valuable people in the world.

If Justin became special at his job.
If he truly became the best salesman in his company he would rapidly advance to the top.

Its all about the talent.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Are you saying that people that earn undergrads and grads aren't talented? I mean if I earn 100K per year I better be talented I guess.

Not saying that at all.

You are missing the point.

 

[Enfuego]

I understand what you are saying. There is an advantage having a degree in corporate america vs not having one.

But the truly truly special always seem to will themselves to the top.

Justin says he is in a dead end sales job where he is at.
Justin fails to understand that great sales people are most valuable people in the world.

If Justin became special at his job.
If he truly became the best salesman in his company he would rapidly advance to the top.

Its all about the talent.

Agree.

 

[ERockMoney]

I guess what im trying to say is you can only go so far in corporate america working for someone.
College is great for getting a degree in a something then hiring on to a fortune 1000 company doing your 30 years and retiring with a nice pension.
Nothing wrong with that.

This is why I said college helps you raise your floor.

But the really well off people go out on there own and make it happen with there talent.

It is not disputable that getting a degree is better then not having one.

As long as you put it in the proper perspective.

If I see someone on the street that makes 30K per year there is almost a 100% chance that person did not go to college.
If I see someone on the street that makes 150K per year there is a great chance that person graduated from college.
If I see someone on the street that makes 20 million per year the odds he graduated from college is less then the odds of the person who makes 150K per year.

This a very true statement, with the exception of the pension part, or at least any pensions of value in todays world. I'm a financial consultant and work in some capacity with many of the largest and/or most successful companies in the world and have found many were started by individuals without college degrees or their respective companies took flight based off of innovations derived by someone without a college degree.

I agree with Enfuego that you can't even get a look at most companies without a degree. Those mentioned above are a select few who were true innovaters, brilliand business minds, risk takers, etc. That is a minute percentage of the population. Most dropped out of college because it did nothing but slow their progress and prohibit them from reaching their true goals and ambitions sooner.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Sales is both the highest and the lowest paying job in the world.
Depending on how good or bad you are at it.

 

[festeringZit]

Actually that doesn't cross my mind in the slightest my man. It may come as a surprise to you but I don't let things random people type behind a monitor bother me.

Except when it does, like when you told me to "go fuck yourself" earlier this week.