Met up with some old friends last night who lived in my hometown. It's kind of funny I lived 10 miles from this couple for the last 2 years and havent seen them but because they are here they call me and you almost feel obligated to go. Anyways it was an alright time. Just watched some baseball at Planet Hollywood sportsbook and drank $6 bottle beers. Classic beginners luck, my buddy who never ever bets pulls the trigger on a 2 team baseball parlay with 2 dogs and they both win (Rangers and Giants) and his $20 parlay pays $92. He was so happy. Now he thinks this whole thing is so easy and he has already called me this morning to hang out later. I think I am going to pass I have too much else too do.
Been away all August so I missed your move Ice. Hope it all works out well for you.
Got back day before labor day and Vancouver weather has been gorgeous since then. Perfect fall weather, no rain, clear blue skies and sunny most of the day. Temperatures are on an increasing trend and forecast to reach low eighties by Sunday from current high sixties/low seventies. Seen years when it lasted through the end of October but we always get the November rains when the pavement never seems to dry out.
Regarding getting good numbers at Las Vegas books I was under the impression that as a local resident you could set up an account and phone in your bets. Is this not correct?
BTW I also got the NYG/TBB teaser so lets cash!
Hit a few southern end of the stripm casinos this morning (southpoint and silverton). Seen a total of 48 at the Silverton today for tonites game and didnt grab it. I hope I see that later and I didnt blow it. Did get a -4.5 with rutgers this morning so pretty happy about that. Seems like the totals in football are shaded a little high here in town.
There is a stretch off of freemont st between Main and LV blvd where you park your car and you can hit 6-8 casino's all on foot. Will hit them later in week.
If any vegas locals are around reading this a few of the guys I know are heading to a pizza joint by the RR casino at 1pm today for a pizza eating contest between 2 local guys. Should be a fun time. I am going to stop by there and see that. You can actually bet on it at MB under X bets. Stop by if you get the chance (Rocco's pizza).
It looks like Thursday is the day where you have to turn it up a notch doing this for football. Between the Thursday night game and getting readying for the weekend with bets, parlay cards and contests, everything really takes off starting on Thursday.
Weather is starting to get a lot more toerable lately. Temps are around 95-100 and it is way nicer than the 110 crap. It seems anything under 100 is manageable, anything over 100 starts to suck.
There is a stretch off of freemont st between Main and LV blvd where you park your car and you can hit 6-8 casino's all on foot. Will hit them later in week.
If any vegas locals are around reading this a few of the guys I know are heading to a pizza joint by the RR casino at 1pm today for a pizza eating contest between 2 local guys. Should be a fun time. I am going to stop by there and see that. You can actually bet on it at MB under X bets. Stop by if you get the chance (Rocco's pizza).
It looks like Thursday is the day where you have to turn it up a notch doing this for football. Between the Thursday night game and getting readying for the weekend with bets, parlay cards and contests, everything really takes off starting on Thursday.
Weather is starting to get a lot more toerable lately. Temps are around 95-100 and it is way nicer than the 110 crap. It seems anything under 100 is manageable, anything over 100 starts to suck.
Downtown, IIRC, you can hit Luckys at the Plaza, the Golden Nugget (independent), the Fremont or Cal Club (same as Gold Coast or Orleans), Fitzgerald's or Golden Gate (both are Leroy's), Binions or 4Q (both are Cal-Neva), and, if you consider El Cortez walking distance, the El C is South Point. So, 6 different lines. The best place for easiest line shopping.
Be forewarned that some are slow to post new numbers, so before you get excited about a stale number, have the clerk update the line with a punch in.
Be forewarned that some are slow to post new numbers, so before you get excited about a stale number, have the clerk update the line with a punch in.
Ice, you need to learn which casinos are offering the same lines. It'll save you a lot of driving. Most immediately, no more driving to South Point (get their lines at El Cortez) or Primm (being taken over by Lucky's, and thus available at the Plaza). Figure out a few circuits. Besides the downtown circuit listed above, you can also do, in about an hour, MGM(Mirage) and Trop (Leroy's), parking at Trop and jumping on the overpass in and out of MGM, then Wild Wild West (easy in-and-out, for Stations lines) then over to park at Palms (indie), and walk to Gold Coast and Rio (Harrah's).A third circuit I use, because I'm a poker player, is Hilton first, then drive to and park at the Venetian, and from there walk to the Wynn, Mirage and Harrahs. That's a 5-out circuit.The thing is you want to get organized. You want to have a very good idea of what a good line is before you go in the casino (I use a wireless connnected laptop in my car), and you want to learn exactly which streets to take and where to park.It's a lot of exercise. That's a good thing.
I completely agree. Orgainization is my strong point. Believe me I have lists and notes on all this, with who owns what and the like. I am trying and researching new things all the time with different routes. I have an 8 inch laptop with me also in the truck, so that helps a lot.
With all that said I still thank you very much as I am always asking and listening to others on this subject. In my opinion most of this can and is done on the net for me with betting offshore as I just dont feel like I can get around town ALONE(KEY WORD) fast enough. I will continue to figure out which things work best for me.
Your information has been some of that best and most useful I have recieved though, so thanks a lot. You bet a lot of sports? If so do you just wait till gameday to shop vegas lines or do you think it can still be good to hit it hard throughout the week looking for good lines. I still am 50/50 on that one. Some days I come home and think what a waste of time that was and others I think wow being in vegas is great with all the oppurtunities. Like you said the key is parking and hitting multiple books without going back to your car. I will have to PM you my routes and furthere this discussion for your input, if you dont mind.
With all that said I still thank you very much as I am always asking and listening to others on this subject. In my opinion most of this can and is done on the net for me with betting offshore as I just dont feel like I can get around town ALONE(KEY WORD) fast enough. I will continue to figure out which things work best for me.
Your information has been some of that best and most useful I have recieved though, so thanks a lot. You bet a lot of sports? If so do you just wait till gameday to shop vegas lines or do you think it can still be good to hit it hard throughout the week looking for good lines. I still am 50/50 on that one. Some days I come home and think what a waste of time that was and others I think wow being in vegas is great with all the oppurtunities. Like you said the key is parking and hitting multiple books without going back to your car. I will have to PM you my routes and furthere this discussion for your input, if you dont mind.
Ice, I'm primarily a poker player, but I take baskets seriously enough to pretty much move to Vegas for Dec thru March. Because I handicap, I do NOT put that much effort into line watching. I just make the effort to get the best line available when I bet. Nonetheless, finding a weak number sometimes makes a lean into a bet for me.
I often wish downtown had some poker action, or at least, high enough poker to interest me. It's very easy to hit books there. I often start my day at the cheapo diner at the Wild Wild West, jump quickly from there to the Palms/Gold Coast/Rio, go down Decatur to AZ Charlies (Stratosphere) if they're hanging any weak numbers, and then a quick jump to downtown, all told making for a 10-book check in about 90 minutes, without ever going on the strip. After that, I'm off to play cards on the Strip, and looking for lean-breakers at the Venetian/Harrahs/Mirage/Wynn. Those 4 entail some tedious walking, but I really, really don't mind the exercise.
You've probably figured out already to otherwise stay off the strip. Even walking from one out to another there is time consuming if you have to cross the strip on foot.
My general game plan is to have my list of plays and leans, and then bet my plays at the best price available, and bet leans if I find a good price (a soft number gets me off the fence). I mostly bet offshore, but I make so many bets that I always seem to tap them out, so I need the ease of some cash betting outs, too, which Vegas provides.
I think experience will quickly teach you how to most efficiently get around town, and to which books you should go.
90% of the time, if you have at least 5-6 offshore outs, you'll find at least a tie for the best number there. But Vegas is often a few minutes behind the offshore moves, so if a number is going quickly against you, jump in live. Just keep a low profile, because they hate no one like they hate the guy who keeps betting just ahead of the blink.
As far as dealing with a crew, I'd lean against it. There are lots of gamblers I like. There are few I trust. All it takes is one dispute like "Ice, you got down on me at +6? I said +6.5, so no, I'm not taking the ticket from you," leaving you to eat the loss. Or you ask someone up the strip to get down for you at a good number hanging there, and they don't get back to you until 30' into the game, and if you're trailing badly, they got down, but if you're winning easy early, "hey, sorry dude, I got shut out." Tons of little penny ante angles to shoot, so petty you'd think no one would stoop so low. They'll stoop. In Vegas, they'll stoop.
Oh, btw, start learning poker. First, super small stakes online, where it won't cost you nothing to learn the fundamentals. then 1-2 live. Anyone bright and not-emotionalistic (you sound like you have both characteristics) can be making, within a year, $20/hr playing the 1-2 NL games on weekends with tourists. That's not an exciting income, and I'm making a conservative estimate (without bragging at all, I'd make a fair bit more than $20 in those games) but it does mean you'll never go broke. And it'll give you something positive to do in the casinos while waiting for scores to come in or lines to blink. And poker's fun for it's own sake. So, just start, slowly, to fit it into your repertoire of gambler's income. Play 100k hands of .05/.10 blind NL on the internet, and then play live. Those games are stunningly soft.
I often wish downtown had some poker action, or at least, high enough poker to interest me. It's very easy to hit books there. I often start my day at the cheapo diner at the Wild Wild West, jump quickly from there to the Palms/Gold Coast/Rio, go down Decatur to AZ Charlies (Stratosphere) if they're hanging any weak numbers, and then a quick jump to downtown, all told making for a 10-book check in about 90 minutes, without ever going on the strip. After that, I'm off to play cards on the Strip, and looking for lean-breakers at the Venetian/Harrahs/Mirage/Wynn. Those 4 entail some tedious walking, but I really, really don't mind the exercise.
You've probably figured out already to otherwise stay off the strip. Even walking from one out to another there is time consuming if you have to cross the strip on foot.
My general game plan is to have my list of plays and leans, and then bet my plays at the best price available, and bet leans if I find a good price (a soft number gets me off the fence). I mostly bet offshore, but I make so many bets that I always seem to tap them out, so I need the ease of some cash betting outs, too, which Vegas provides.
I think experience will quickly teach you how to most efficiently get around town, and to which books you should go.
90% of the time, if you have at least 5-6 offshore outs, you'll find at least a tie for the best number there. But Vegas is often a few minutes behind the offshore moves, so if a number is going quickly against you, jump in live. Just keep a low profile, because they hate no one like they hate the guy who keeps betting just ahead of the blink.
As far as dealing with a crew, I'd lean against it. There are lots of gamblers I like. There are few I trust. All it takes is one dispute like "Ice, you got down on me at +6? I said +6.5, so no, I'm not taking the ticket from you," leaving you to eat the loss. Or you ask someone up the strip to get down for you at a good number hanging there, and they don't get back to you until 30' into the game, and if you're trailing badly, they got down, but if you're winning easy early, "hey, sorry dude, I got shut out." Tons of little penny ante angles to shoot, so petty you'd think no one would stoop so low. They'll stoop. In Vegas, they'll stoop.
Oh, btw, start learning poker. First, super small stakes online, where it won't cost you nothing to learn the fundamentals. then 1-2 live. Anyone bright and not-emotionalistic (you sound like you have both characteristics) can be making, within a year, $20/hr playing the 1-2 NL games on weekends with tourists. That's not an exciting income, and I'm making a conservative estimate (without bragging at all, I'd make a fair bit more than $20 in those games) but it does mean you'll never go broke. And it'll give you something positive to do in the casinos while waiting for scores to come in or lines to blink. And poker's fun for it's own sake. So, just start, slowly, to fit it into your repertoire of gambler's income. Play 100k hands of .05/.10 blind NL on the internet, and then play live. Those games are stunningly soft.
spent the morning at home making plays. I will be leaving after the 1st set of games finish halftime. Will try and hit 3-5 casinos I have mapped out and look for games at cerain numbers that I havent been able to find offshore. Just mostly stuff that is a half point better hopefully. Also will be keeping a close eye to see if anything is off a little at the books I am at and if so i may bet it.
Will post back later on my Saturday morning venture and how it went.
Will post back later on my Saturday morning venture and how it went.
ice......i have been following this thread everyday...........it seems to me that the best value is still offshore??????????/ between bonuses and line moves and free half points etc........and the ease of comparing 10 different books?????????????????
Have you found that yet????????:nohead:
Maybe but let me say it is a little too early for me to answer that. Dont forget to throw in the fact that Vegas offers you your money within seconds after the game and that can be nice.
You can get a lot more done if you worked with a few people here. Vegas has way more line movement from public type favorite and the over players and I have noticed that, so close to gametime you see some nice prices on dogs and unders. i am going out here in a bit and line shopping at some casinos that are notorius for having a huge public following so maybe I will find some pirces.
Living in Vegas allows you to setup a internet/phone account with a few of the sportsbooks around town and that is nice. You can also take a laptop (not suppose to bet though) into books now. I have a laptop and will be keeping that in my truck most likely and think that might help.
Like I said it is early in the game for me. Both have there good and bad points. One big thing to me so far is this Saturday has been way better for me as far as getting good plays in. I think I am just getting more in a groove with all this. Learning a little each day on how to spend my time. I imagine in a few weeks I will be doing even better. Hopefully this translates into winning more $$$:nohead: (that's for you Charlie!!!)
Today is the halfway point of the 1st month of betting here in vegas.
Had a great weekend but I am very pissed on some of the things that went down on my end. Just sloppy stuff on my end and it cost me on my bottom line for the week. I know I am going too make mistakes but without too big into details I fucked a few things up and it ruined what could have been an awesome weekend. Left a game open open that I was going to play back twice as much on the other side (which won) in CFB and thought SD game in NFL was late game cuase the way it read on the screen I was looking at it looked that way. I knew it wasnt but I wasnt paying attention. Sure as hell I would have won that bet also. I had a couple things like that happen. I let a few numbers go througout the week and when I went to play them later they were gone and they also won. All in and all I figureed it ou and I cost myself close to 10 units and I cant afford to make mistakes like that. I dont like to complain but I really felt I fucked a lot of things up that I normally wouldnt do. Careless stuff (IMO). I did make 92 plays on saturday so mistakes will be made but I just am pissed at how I screwed some simple stuff up that I usually never do. Sort of takes away from how good I should be feeling right now.
I have done fairly well in everything I have bet (cfb, mlb, wnba) except the NFL. Work hard alll week and do well and seems like I am giving back half my profits in one day (sunday). Looking back at the plays I made this weekend my numbers I played at were average so i am not sure I deserved to win to be honest with you. A lot of times I look back at just how good of numbers I got and judge how well I should do and looking at this sundays card i probably should have lost and I did. It's funny but that use to be my favorite sport to cap and bet but the last year or so I have done nothing with it and I am starting to feel like most when it comes to this sport. The lines are just razor sharp and may not be possibile to beat over time.
Will post back later on a few other things, With the site acting up the past few days I havent been able to post very much at this.
Had a great weekend but I am very pissed on some of the things that went down on my end. Just sloppy stuff on my end and it cost me on my bottom line for the week. I know I am going too make mistakes but without too big into details I fucked a few things up and it ruined what could have been an awesome weekend. Left a game open open that I was going to play back twice as much on the other side (which won) in CFB and thought SD game in NFL was late game cuase the way it read on the screen I was looking at it looked that way. I knew it wasnt but I wasnt paying attention. Sure as hell I would have won that bet also. I had a couple things like that happen. I let a few numbers go througout the week and when I went to play them later they were gone and they also won. All in and all I figureed it ou and I cost myself close to 10 units and I cant afford to make mistakes like that. I dont like to complain but I really felt I fucked a lot of things up that I normally wouldnt do. Careless stuff (IMO). I did make 92 plays on saturday so mistakes will be made but I just am pissed at how I screwed some simple stuff up that I usually never do. Sort of takes away from how good I should be feeling right now.
I have done fairly well in everything I have bet (cfb, mlb, wnba) except the NFL. Work hard alll week and do well and seems like I am giving back half my profits in one day (sunday). Looking back at the plays I made this weekend my numbers I played at were average so i am not sure I deserved to win to be honest with you. A lot of times I look back at just how good of numbers I got and judge how well I should do and looking at this sundays card i probably should have lost and I did. It's funny but that use to be my favorite sport to cap and bet but the last year or so I have done nothing with it and I am starting to feel like most when it comes to this sport. The lines are just razor sharp and may not be possibile to beat over time.
Will post back later on a few other things, With the site acting up the past few days I havent been able to post very much at this.
Ice, you can follow Pete Rozelle in the NFL, and as far as I'm concerned you are wasting your time. Concentrate on the #3, and mess around with assorted key total #s, and have some fun with your gal. Example--- Car -3 -15 Chic+3.5 -05. You can even get a middle opportunity(for the correct price) on the #3 if you can forecast line movement or injuries. Good Luck
