I count 27 locks for the baseball HOF(ACTIVE PLAYERS) and a ton on the verge.

[CHOPTALK]

Chris,

your list is still too long. The premise is at the end of this season (extract the current pace for this year to get their final season numbers).​

Chipper Falls short (Finishes with 382 homers, 1260 RBI, .300 avg) as a 3b/of. MVP once. Many guys with better numbers as a 3b. Consider the ERA he plays in. National Media doesn't like him, he also had the cheating on his wife thing. Very very injured throughout his career. As a 3b in this era, he's need 450 and at least 2500 hits, as of now he wont even have 2050. He doesn't belong in the category of "hall of famer without another game played". If he has two more average seasons, he is in.​

Andruw Jones: No. This one isn't close. At the end of this season he'll have .260-365-1100. He's not gonna be in the top 200 players in rbi. A .260 AVG is horrible. He was a very good defensive player for a decent time period, and is a good outfielder now. Jason Stark's book and modern fielding statistics expose him as being massively ovverated defensively now. If he retired at the end of this season, he wouldn't even get a whif of a vote. Doesn't have even 1700 hits. Never a dominant player. No MVP or ROY.​

I initially balked at Big Frank. But 2400 Hits, 515 Homers, .305 AVG, 1500 Runs and an OPS of 1000 for his career. That's a lock. Also, little if any steroid suspicion due to his massive size in HS and at Auburn.​

Sheffield is questionable due to his steroid stuff, but I'd have to say he is in. Look how close he is to Manny.​

Andruw Jones did win the MVP btw.

 

[Journeyman]

Bernie Williams - no

Kent - lean to yes.

no chance for either...Frank Thomas is in....Jeff Kent will not make it...it hurts Kent that he wasn't in the bigs til age 24, I don't see him a serious threat no way no how, plus his stats are tained with Bonds' .

FW you had mentioned Torii Hunter in the previous thread, I don't see him making a run either, not even close.

 

[RoBoKnowsCop]

Andruw Jones did win the MVP btw.

No, he did not. Please stop saying he did. Andruw Jones has NEVER EVER EVER won the MVP. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLB_Most_Valuable_Player_Award

Look it up if you don't believe me.

 

[trytrytry]

I don't think Sheff, Manny or Pudge belong on the "stone cold locks" list...

Pudge is a stone stone stone cold lock...


tori hunter has less than zero shot at the Hall

good list overall

Derrik Lee also zero shot at the Hall

Talent now is amazing you are right...great thread.

 

[trytrytry]

I would like to see your odds on this.......

WILL MANNY RAMIREZ be a HALL of FAMER?

YES ???
NO ???

Please post a moneyline, thanks.

hey Fish how are things going? this was a year ago! sorry

 

[ChrisParadise]

Chris,

your list is still too long. The premise is at the end of this season (extract the current pace for this year to get their final season numbers).​

Chipper Falls short (Finishes with 382 homers, 1260 RBI, .300 avg) as a 3b/of. MVP once. Many guys with better numbers as a 3b. Consider the ERA he plays in. National Media doesn't like him, he also had the cheating on his wife thing. Very very injured throughout his career. As a 3b in this era, he's need 450 and at least 2500 hits, as of now he wont even have 2050. He doesn't belong in the category of "hall of famer without another game played". If he has two more average seasons, he is in.​

Andruw Jones: No. This one isn't close. At the end of this season he'll have .260-365-1100. He's not gonna be in the top 200 players in rbi. A .260 AVG is horrible. He was a very good defensive player for a decent time period, and is a good outfielder now. Jason Stark's book and modern fielding statistics expose him as being massively ovverated defensively now. If he retired at the end of this season, he wouldn't even get a whif of a vote. Doesn't have even 1700 hits. Never a dominant player. No MVP or ROY.​

I initially balked at Big Frank. But 2400 Hits, 515 Homers, .305 AVG, 1500 Runs and an OPS of 1000 for his career. That's a lock. Also, little if any steroid suspicion due to his massive size in HS and at Auburn.​

Sheffield is questionable due to his steroid stuff, but I'd have to say he is in. Look how close he is to Manny.​

Historically the hall gives extra attention to players who play in the postseason, this helps the Jones boys a lot. a helluva a lot - both players are househols names, another thing ive always used when considering a players chances

thats my personal list of hall locks, and i said nothing about any premise of end of season career stats. what im saying its logical based on these guys large sampling of past results and age to assume that unless they retire prematurely they WILL be hall of famers. i guess i should have been clear n that. in other words id bet anyone even money that either of those guys will be in the hall.

i did exclude pujols because he hasnt done it enough years yet(in my opinion) to assume he will have a decade+ of super years.

a.jones still has some years left in him, he came in at what? 21 yrs old ? and has never missed serious playtime....or maybe thats not his true age, and maybe pujols lies about his age too , who knows

being a reds fan in braves country ive serious disdain for all things atlanta, but the braves of the past 15 yrs are an all time legenday team and that helps these guys get in the hall. id compare chipper to joe morgan or tony perez benefiting by playing playing for the reds in the 70's.

andruw jones had 350ish hr's before his 30th birthday...how many other players have done that?

 

[5teamparlay]

June 3, 2007:

Guerrero the 2004 AL MVP drove a hanging slider to left-center for his 350th career homer and 12th this season.

VLAD working his way to a lock.

At 31 he probably plays 10 more years, at just 15 HR's per year 500 will lock him up. (5 more average years gets him in). Numbers simular to Bonds through age 30.

 

[DrunkenHorseplayer]

Now that ex-players have taken over the HOF voting (a good thing) they will make sure that less players make the Hall than used to. They're not going to induct players who were very good for a very long time (Biggio, Bagwell, etc.). They're going to restrict it to the true superstars, which is the way it should be; a lot of those "locks" aren't getting in.

 

[VIEJODINOSAUR]

Andruw Jones did win the MVP btw.

Please stop the homerism and reaching....although he did finish second to Puljos....:lolBIG:

 

[RoBoKnowsCop]

June 3, 2007:


VLAD working his way to a lock.

At 31 he probably plays 10 more years, at just 15 HR's per year 500 will lock him up. (5 more average years gets him in). Numbers simular to Bonds through age 30.

Vlad has a chronic back problem, a swing that forces a huge amount of torque on his body, and will likely have to dh full time once he hits 36ish. I am encouraged that his plate discipline has improved so much. He is the second best hitter in baseball currently behind Bonds, nobody else is very close. I expect him to play 7 more years. If he hits 36, 31, 28, 25, 21, 18, 16 bombs, he'd have 550. Vlad absolutely belongs on the "if he ages normally and avoids career ending injury he's a lock" list.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Vlad has a chronic back problem, a swing that forces a huge amount of torque on his body, and will likely have to dh full time once he hits 36ish. I am encouraged that his plate discipline has improved so much. He is the second best hitter in baseball currently behind Bonds, nobody else is very close. I expect him to play 7 more years. If he hits 36, 31, 28, 25, 21, 18, 16 bombs, he'd have 550. Vlad absolutely belongs on the "if he ages normally and avoids career ending injury he's a lock" list.

I think the best pure hitter in baseball is Joey Mauer.

 

[RoBoKnowsCop]

I think the best pure hitter in baseball is Joey Mauer.

Guererro Last 3 Years (05-07):
Runs Created per Game 8.6, 7.7, 11.4
GPA: .330, .321, .368
OPS: .959, .934, 1.065

Mauer
6.4, 8.4, 9.1
.271, .320, .321
.783, .986, .927

Vlad has evolved into the best hitter in the AL, second best in the league behind Bonds. Mauer is pretty good though.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Frank Thomas and Biggio just locked up there ticket last night.

Also, I just noticed that SOSA is not on my list since this thread is over a year old, he was not active when I made this thread.

So you can add another name to my lock list.

 

[mamatried]

Vizquel, Pudge, and Biggio will get in. (Although has anyone else noticed that Rodriguez is about half the size he was before they started steroid testing?) Bernie Williams - no way. Bagwell is doubtful, and if Andruw Jones doesn't straighten things out with his bat, he is, too. Not sure about Kent or Sheffield (who is also tainted by steroids), but if they do, which team's hat will they have on?

 

[Journeyman]

I can't see Omar Vizquel making it.

 

[mamatried]

Best defensive shortstop of his day. Key player on two World Series teams. Very good clutch hitter and a .270 plus lifetime hitter. Vizquel is a lock

 

[fhmesq44]

I wonder if Chop's "Stone cold locks if they retired today" list from 1990 would look like this:

Doc Gooden
Darryl Strawberry
Bobby Bonilla
Jose Canseco
Mark McGwire
Bret Saberhagen
Tim Raines
Jack Morris
Mike Greenwell
Willie McGee
Vince Coleman
Dave Parker

Almost Stone Cold Locks
Ruben Sierra
Will Clark
Harold Baines
Joe Carter
Bo Jackson
Benito Santiago
Frank Viola

 

[fhmesq44]

Best defensive shortstop of his day. Key player on two World Series teams. Very good clutch hitter and a .270 plus lifetime hitter. Vizquel is a lock

Wow, I didn't know a 3 time all star with a .275 career BA, 1 180 hit season, 1 top 20 MVP is now the standard for the Hall of Very Good.

 

[Journeyman]

Best defensive shortstop of his day. Key player on two World Series teams. Very good clutch hitter and a .270 plus lifetime hitter. Vizquel is a lock

He is closer to a lock NOT to make than make it....I can't see it...

I know Omar was a great defensive player but there have been many great defensive players who don't make it.

 

[fhmesq44]

I wonder if Chop's "Stone cold locks if they retired today" list from 1990 would look like this:

Doc Gooden
Darryl Strawberry
Bobby Bonilla
Jose Canseco
Mark McGwire
Bret Saberhagen
Tim Raines
Jack Morris
Mike Greenwell
Willie McGee
Vince Coleman
Dave Parker

Almost Stone Cold Locks
Ruben Sierra
Will Clark
Harold Baines
Joe Carter
Bo Jackson
Benito Santiago
Frank Viola

Sh*t, I forgot another "stone cold lock" Eric Davis.