How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[quantumleap]

What about those people who were born before Jesus? I refuse to believe God will save only a select few who either were born into a sect (the Jews) or were born in Judea at the time of Christ.

What I do believe in is that since Jesus is the Creator that everyone who believes in the Creator should be saved too. This includes Native Americans (who had a healthy relationship with Mother Earth and the Creation) and also Druids, Pagans and other Earth religions who had a deep respect for Nature.

I find it ludicrous to exclude from heaven millions of people born before Jesus' time and to cause them to suffer eternal hellfire. I refuse to worship a sick entity such as that.

 

[barman]

QLEAP, I think the people born before the blessed Jesus get some kind of Special Free Pass depending on which scriptures one accepts that aren't cancelled out by a different scripture which might contradict a third scripture which supported the first scripture.

All clear?

 

[quantumleap]

QLEAP, I think the people born before the blessed Jesus get some kind of Special Free Pass depending on which scriptures one accepts that aren't cancelled out by a different scripture which might contradict a third scripture which supported the first scripture.

All clear?

Sorry. Can you draw a diagram?

:lol:

 

[DonDotta27]

Does anyone else believe that human kind is to stupid to know what happens after death.
For some reason I believe us as humans are to stupid to understand the world around us. Not stupid in the sense of being not able to read or write but not having the capability to understand. I believe that whatever is out there that created us made us so that we would never be able to figure out what is really out there.
I know this probably sounded really stupid.

 

[barman]

heh...Yes.

But it wouldn't be viewable on a Family Web Forum.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Before Jesus, anyone was allowed to convert to Judaism. The sacrifices that they sacrificed were symbols of Jesus Christ's perfect sacrifice on the cross.

 

[quantumleap]

Before Jesus, anyone was allowed to convert to Judaism. The sacrifices that they sacrificed were symbols of Jesus Christ's perfect sacrifice on the cross.

What about people who weren't exposed to Judaism like eastern Asians and Native Americans and southern Africans? What about people who lived before Judaism existed?

 

[ScottL]

Jesus if you're reading, please come back so we can end this thread!

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Obama has been endorsed by the Communist Party.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

What about people who weren't exposed to Judaism like eastern Asians and Native Americans and southern Africans? What about people who lived before Judaism existed?

They had the word of God via prophets and many who were alive since the time of adam that hadn't died yet. Remember that at that time, men lived to be hundreds of years old.

 

[quantumleap]

They had the word of God via prophets and many who were alive since the time of adam that hadn't died yet. Remember that at that time, men lived to be hundreds of years old.

But the prophets didn't live everywhere in the world. Even during the time of Jesus or a few centuries before men didn't live hundreds of years. The Native Amercians or eastern Asians or southern Africans at this time didn't have the prophets.

 

[geeze]

I submit the following quote without comment or opinion, but merely to add fuel to the fire of this discussion.

Pope Leo the Tenth in the 12th century said:

"It has served us well, this myth of Jesus."

 

[Preussen]

Remember that at that time, men lived to be hundreds of years old.

Yes, and pigs could fly...

 

[punter]

QLEAP, I think the people born before the blessed Jesus get some kind of Special Free Pass depending on which scriptures one accepts that aren't cancelled out by a different scripture which might contradict a third scripture which supported the first scripture.

All clear?

Kinda like a grandfather clause?

 

[punter]

I submit the following quote without comment or opinion, but merely to add fuel to the fire of this discussion.

Pope Leo the Tenth in the 12th century said:

"It has served us well, this myth of Jesus."

Jeeze Geeze I thought that by the time I reached your age that I would be filled with the holy spirit.

 

[geeze]

I remember when the whole country was united, ( both Democrats and Republicans) behind FDR.

And the Number One song on the Lucky Strike Hit Parade being broadcast to millions of made in America Atwater Kents and Zeniths was:

"Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition."

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Obama has been endorsed by the Communist Party.

 

[Romanowski]

Sorry Rail and frodo, I respectfully disagree with you after much theological study of the Torah. What you have to understand is that a path to God was guaranteed to Jews in the Torah. The notion of "salvation" is a New Testament idea that applies only to Gentiles. Again, I don't believe in supersessionism but you guys apparently do(?). That's fine, as many, many good Christians still do all around the world.

At the same time, many of these same Chrisitans have never so much as opened their Old Testament nor do their Churches encourage them to do so. Just because some Jews have accepted Christ as their Saviour (which makes them converted Christians for an intents and purposes), does not mean that Jews *must* do so. The acceptance of Christ as Saviour by non-Gentiles (i.e. Jews) is certainly one's right, but not required by OT law.

You can list a thousand Jews here who've accepted Christ as their Saviour, and I can list current Catholic and Protestant doctrine that abandons the idea of replacement theology. Granted, this is perhaps the most hotly debated Biblical issue today, but I encourage you both to at least begin reading into the matter.

quoted for truth

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Please take the time to read this first post and pray that prayer to God at the bottom of it if you haven't yet.

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

Please take the time to read this first post and pray that prayer to God at the bottom of it if you haven't yet.

Eat a dick.