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DID YOU PRAY THAT PRAYER AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS THREAD TO GOD?

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  • NO

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  • I ALREADY PRAYED ACCEPTED JESUS CHRIST AS MY LORD AND SAVIOR

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AND TO get back on the selected Topic (at least per the Title), we'll offer our friendly reset posted way back in the beginning of this almost solo discussion thread.

That is that many Christians interpret literally Christ's admonition that "The Kingdom of Heaven is within (us)".

And therefore it can be accessed at any time or rejected at any time. We each have the free will to choose whether to live in a Heavenly state or a Hellish state of mind and being.

Fortunately, making the latter choice (as so many of us do at various moments) can be instantly countered at any given second by simply changing our state of mind.
sounds more like buddhist philosophy than Christianity. Of course there are bits in the Bible about being joyful amidst difficult times. But there will always be a groaning in us for heaven. Heaven is not on earth. There's only so much we have to work with while we're here. It's a world under curse.
 

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They're mutually exclusive. Islam, Buddhism, and Christianity can't all be right. One is right, and all the others are wrong. God does not have multiple personalities. God is absolute. I believe that Christianity is the way, and Satan introduces counterfeit gods all over the world, because he is a deceiver.

Now I doubt all the time. Some days, I really wrestle with it. But I think Christianity is the truth, however ambiguous God may be most of the time.

They all believe in a Creator God. Christians believe Jesus to be the Creator.

Native Americans believed in the Creator and worshipped that entity yet they knew nothing of the person called Jesus. Same with Buddhists and Hindus who lived before Jesus' time.

If Christians believe Jesus is the Creator then all these other religions believe in Jesus as well including people who lived before the man lived.
 

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Now I doubt all the time. Some days, I really wrestle with it. But I think Christianity is the truth, however ambiguous God may be most of the time.

Would you think Christianity is the truth if you were born in Iran or Israel?

How can it be the truth if your beliefs are based almost exclusively on where you were born and who you were born to?
 

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Obviously, a person that follows Christian principles and morality is going to be judged far less severe than one who doesn't.

But if Christ didn't have to die on the cross for the forgiveness of sins, then why did he? Why didn't he just teach, and then ascend into heaven?

1) In response to your first statement, you presume there is some kind of post-life "judgement day". In fact, as believed by many Christians, "judgement" occurs at the very moment of our actions and thoughts and the appropriate consequences follow.

2) To your question, Christ died on the cross as a demonstration that we need never fear death. He did not strike out against his persecutors though he could have done so. Instead he followed his own admonition to "forgive them for they know not what they do". And since the life force is eternal, he knew full well that he would go on even though his persecutors had ended his life in it's current form.

Most of us fear death because we have a misguided notion that we might pass from this plane with a bad "record" and on "judgement day" we will be consigned to burn in Hell.

Christ taught us that we are assured eternal life and there was no need to fear death. God will forgive us for all our errors (sin) and allow us as much time as we need - even eternity - to learn and to practice higher principles.

Some folks take longer than others, obviously. Thus the need for a plan of salvation that encompassed ALL mankind, not just a select few as was taught in the Old Testament.
 

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But, I think the reality is that there is an enemy that will do whatever it takes to try to get people to reject the truth. He has all kinds of deception and tricks to try to convince someone that Christianity is not the only way. Ultimately, the Bible says this much, and upon further inspection.....it sure feels that way as well. I wish it were not so.

There is no outside entity that is an "enemy", ala "the Devil".

All of our inclinations to stray from Higher Principle (sin) come from within.

Outside influences (other people) can certainly play a role, but the ultimate actions come from within.
 

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. But there will always be a groaning in us for heaven. Heaven is not on earth. There's only so much we have to work with while we're here. It's a world under curse.

I didn't say "Heaven is on Earth".

I cited the quote from Christ, "The Kingdom of Heaven is within us".

And the world is not under curse.

That's Old Testament booga booga nonsense designed to strike fear into the hearts of men and motivate them to bow to the supposed higher knowledge of whichever priests are in power at the moment.
 

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Christians believe Jesus to be the Creator.

Many Christians (mostly the Fundamenatlist sects) do believe that.

Many Christians do not believe that but rather, believe JC to be but one of many Master Teachers (rabbis) who have passed through this plane of existence.
 

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Many Christians (mostly the Fundamenatlist sects) do believe that.

Many Christians do not believe that but rather, believe JC to be but one of many Master Teachers (rabbis) who have passed through this plane of existence.

Barman, stop pretending that the odd-ball views of your Unity church are as widespread as many (fundamentalist) views throughout Christian America. This is just plain false, and if you really believe this then you are even more ignorant than my first impression.
 

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Many Christians (mostly the Fundamenatlist sects) do believe that.

Many Christians do not believe that but rather, believe JC to be but one of many Master Teachers (rabbis) who have passed through this plane of existence.

Dear drunken bardood from Florida,

Christians beleive Jesus Christ to be the Son of God....it's , like, ahhh, where the word came from, eh?

Christians of different faiths have this one thing in common. The Holy Trinity. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit....3 persons in One God

...and just for schnits 'n giggles, Mormons aren't Christians
 

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There is no outside entity that is an "enemy", ala "the Devil".

All of our inclinations to stray from Higher Principle (sin) come from within.

Outside influences (other people) can certainly play a role, but the ultimate actions come from within.
You're a Christian, but you don't believe in Satan? What?
 

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I didn't say "Heaven is on Earth".

I cited the quote from Christ, "The Kingdom of Heaven is within us".

And the world is not under curse.

That's Old Testament booga booga nonsense designed to strike fear into the hearts of men and motivate them to bow to the supposed higher knowledge of whichever priests are in power at the moment.
You are being deceived in some major ways.
 

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1) In response to your first statement, you presume there is some kind of post-life "judgement day". In fact, as believed by many Christians, "judgement" occurs at the very moment of our actions and thoughts and the appropriate consequences follow.

2) To your question, Christ died on the cross as a demonstration that we need never fear death. He did not strike out against his persecutors though he could have done so. Instead he followed his own admonition to "forgive them for they know not what they do". And since the life force is eternal, he knew full well that he would go on even though his persecutors had ended his life in it's current form.

Most of us fear death because we have a misguided notion that we might pass from this plane with a bad "record" and on "judgement day" we will be consigned to burn in Hell.

Christ taught us that we are assured eternal life and there was no need to fear death. God will forgive us for all our errors (sin) and allow us as much time as we need - even eternity - to learn and to practice higher principles.

Some folks take longer than others, obviously. Thus the need for a plan of salvation that encompassed ALL mankind, not just a select few as was taught in the Old Testament.
You can believe whatever you want to. But dont' confuse that nonsense with Christianity.
 
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You're a Christian, but you don't believe in Satan? What?

Barman claims to be a Christian, but believes almost
nothing of the Christian religion.

As a matter of fact, Barman prides himself in calling Jesus a f4ggot, as
well as talking about him (Jesus) blowing a load on Mary, see his
posts from earlier this week.

Barman is actually part of a New Age Unity Cult that believes in a pansy God that absolves
every sin ever made, including those by: Hitler, Dahlmer, Stalin, ....
 

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Many Christians (mostly the Fundamenatlist sects) do believe that.

Many Christians do not believe that but rather, believe JC to be but one of many Master Teachers (rabbis) who have passed through this plane of existence.

Almost all Christians believe JC was the Creator because of John 1:1-3.

" 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made"
 
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Almost all Christians believe JC was the Creator because of John 1:1-3.

" 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made"

yes indeed... And John goes on to explain in more detail who the
"word" is referring to:

14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
 

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Dear drunken bardood from Florida,

Christians beleive Jesus Christ to be the Son of God....it's , like, ahhh, where the word came from, eh?

Christians of different faiths have this one thing in common. The Holy Trinity. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit....3 persons in One God

...and just for schnits 'n giggles, Mormons aren't Christians

Brother Berq....Long time, no cyber spar

Hope you achieved at least a moment of annual nirvana when the Crows were ousted from the AFC race this past month.

As for your post above, I completely believe you believe what you write.

Even the smak about Mormons, even though I can state from my 26 year affiliation with them (clean now for over 16 years) that they are most certainly Christian.

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints"

It's in the name...right?

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Stay healthy up there in that snowbound hell you call home during these stern winter months and best to your pavin' and scapin' biz as soon as the frost melts.

Steve
 

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You can believe whatever you want to. But dont' confuse that nonsense with Christianity.

I'm sure your personal experience is being expressed honestly.

Please allow yourself to consider that my own personal experience founded on attendance and membership in several sects of Christianity during the past 48 years to be equally honest.
 

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ZIT complains: Barman claims to be a Christian, but believes almost
nothing of the Christian religion.

B: Our personal experiences with Christian sects have clear differences, yes.

Z: As a matter of fact, Barman prides himself in calling Jesus a f4ggot, as ell as talking about him (Jesus) blowing a load on Mary, see his posts from earlier this week.

B: I have not called JC a phag. I have merely postulated that he may well have been homosexual.

None of us know for sure what his sexual preferences were.

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Z: Barman is actually part of a New Age Unity Cult that believes in a pansy God that absolves every sin ever made, including those by: Hitler, Dahlmer, Stalin,

B: Correct. Barman does believe in the promises made by Christ wherein we know that all sins are forgiven.
 

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Almost all Christians believe JC was the Creator because of John 1:1-3.

" 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made"

The Catholics who I know, the Episcopalians, the Mormons and certainly the Unity sect of Christianity do not specify Christ as being the Creator.

However, yes, most fundamentalist sects - Baptists, Methodists, Pentacostals and I think Church of Christ - do believe that.

It's certainly not an uncommon interpretation, using the scriptures you cite above.
 
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