GOP debate in-game thread

[PatsFan1283]

Theres your answer.

Once the leagues and media got involved and invested that changed things.

If they turn a blind eye to this it will be one of the biggest proofs ever that lobbies and special interest rule this country.


Would not be shocked if the NFL and NBA gave a team to Vegas to get them to go along with it.

Its Big Casino vs Media/NFL,NBA, and MLB.

Although I dont think DFS eats into the casino business by much at all.

I've talked about this a bit on the mainboard. It may not eat into it but casino businesses aren't doing very well right now. Some would say it is the economy, I personally think they're lucky they've done as well as they have considering how bad of a product table games are, but that is just my opinion.

So when you have casino revenue down 10-15% year over year and then they see a competitor coming in and this competitor doesn't really compensate the state in a way that a casino can, then it is going to be an issue.

The 2 big CT casinos give the state 25M a month from slots alone, DFS just can't provide that type of revenue and not even a fraction of it. Those casinos have a lot of pull. So you might see a lot of crony capitalism on that front. Like 43 states have some form of casinos now, then there is lotto, etc...

Then there is the house of cards factor. A marketplace app needs a robust user base, so you lose a state like NY, PA, FL and it is a pretty big deal.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Why didn't the leagues do the same with sports betting?

Why is DFS okay but betting on games isn't?

Well DFS just got legal because of a loophole basically. It was never intended to be like this.

If a senator stepped up and said "Look before we pass this UIGIEA, we can't do the fantasy sports carve-out the way it is written because it will spur something called DFS and we don't want that", then they probably would've added something outlawing DFS.

However, once it got legal, the leagues got a huge taste of the benefit of having fans this engaged and now they want to keep it under the "skill game" banner.

Keep in mind, you and I can still bet on games. So even though sports betting is "illegal", it isn't like sports betting interest doesn't help the leagues stil. They can have their cake and eat it too with that 1. With DFS, if they aren't pro DFS then DFS just dies.

 

[The Guesser]

Trump could drool and take a dump on stage and you will declare him the winner.

That's what he basically did.

 

[The Guesser]

Why didn't the leagues do the same with sports betting?

Why is DFS okay but betting on games isn't?

Most common sense post I've ever seeen from you Casper. You earned a

 

[scottcarter]

Trump could drool and take a dump on stage and you will declare him the winner.

 

[Ricboff]

Trump looked terrible when asked for clarification/explanation re., Zuckerberg (immigration) and of Rubio being his private senator. He denied it!! All the while its IN HIS IMMIGRATION REFORM policy.


That's Theatre of The Absurd

 

[CHOPTALK]

I've talked about this a bit on the mainboard. It may not eat into it but casino businesses aren't doing very well right now. Some would say it is the economy, I personally think they're lucky they've done as well as they have considering how bad of a product table games are, but that is just my opinion.

So when you have casino revenue down 10-15% year over year and then they see a competitor coming in and this competitor doesn't really compensate the state in a way that a casino can, then it is going to be an issue.

The 2 big CT casinos give the state 25M a month from slots alone, DFS just can't provide that type of revenue and not even a fraction of it. Those casinos have a lot of pull. So you might see a lot of crony capitalism on that front. Like 43 states have some form of casinos now, then there is lotto, etc...

Then there is the house of cards factor. A marketplace app needs a robust user base, so you lose a state like NY, PA, FL and it is a pretty big deal.

Besides the economy which is not the fundamental problem with casinos.

Two main reasons.

#1) Casinos are just not that big of a deal anymore.
There was a day when you only had casinos in 4 states, and that was not THAT long ago.
Now virtually everyone has a casino within at least 250 miles from them.
There use to be a day when you had to make a vacation out of like going to Vegas or Atlantic City.

Now all you have to do is drive down the road so its not a big deal anymore.

#2)Its a different world. In a world of everything being instant have you ever noticed how hard it is to get into most casinos?
You have to most of the time go into a 10 story parking garage a mile mile away from the casino floor if you are in a big city.
If you dont have to do the parking garage thing and you are in a small city its usually at an Indian Reservation 50 miles away from nowhere.

The point is in very few places is easy for people to just drive up, park your vehicle and walk in the door.

20 years ago this was not a big deal but these people have become spoiled. We live in a fast world where we want it right now.

You almost have to plan to go to a casino now and that dont jive in this on demand at your finger tips world that we are in right now.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Trump looked terrible when asked for clarification/explanation re., Zuckerberg (immigration) and of Rubio being his private senator. He denied it!! All the while its IN HIS IMMIGRATION REFORM policy.


That's Theatre of The Absurd

Yeah I mentioned that a few pages ago. Quick did bust him on that.

Zuckerberg wanting more H1B's is fine too. FB is an innovative company that is growing and needs foreign and US workers. I think Trump probably researched the issue more and realized that wasn't the guy to attack on this 1.

It is the companies that use H1B's to suppress their own worker wages that are the problem. This is mostly the "rust belt" mature type tech companies that do this. Once you aren't growing anymore, gotta start cutting costs.

 

[festeringZit]

This most amusing part of this thread is Joe and Willie telling us all who is smart, who gets it, and who knows what.

The two guys that have been wrong about everything political for a decade.

Absolutely amazing.

Complete lie from the site pathological liar (and troll).

 

[PatsFan1283]

Besides the economy which is not the fundamental problem with casinos.

Two main reasons.

#1) Casinos are just not that big of a deal anymore.
There was a day when you only had casinos in 4 states, and that was not THAT long ago.
Now virtually everyone has a casino within at least 250 miles from them.
There use to be a day when you had to make a vacation out of like going to Vegas or Atlantic City.

Now all you have to do is drive down the road so its not a big deal anymore.

#2)Its a different world. In a world of everything being instant have you ever noticed how hard it is to get into most casinos?
You have to most of the time go into a 10 story parking garage a mile mile away from the casino floor if you are in a big city.
If you dont have to do the parking garage thing and you are in a small city its usually at an Indian Reservation 50 miles away from nowhere.

The point is in very few places is easy for people to just drive up, park your vehicle and walk in the door.

20 years ago this was not a big deal but these people have become spoiled. We live in a fast world where we want it right now.

You almost have to plan to go to a casino now and that dont jive in this on demand at your finger tips world that we are in right now.

Well also, Vegas took off after WW2 when the country started to lift off economically and people had more discretionary income. People wanted to let loose after the depression and a world war. That type of big casino gambling had a lot of novelty to it at the time from what I've read.

To get someone to sit down for 2-3 hrs and play those games seems difficult. I know if you tried to get me to do that I'd be on my phone the whole time and looking like a zombie. Obviously on some level the casinos realize this and that is why they've diversified into dining, shows, concerts, etc.

Even if this is just a new societal trend away from casino gambling growth though, an entrenched business isn't going to see it that way. Once you have a large market share, a lot of times the only way to keep it that way is through regulation and creating barrier to entry.

 

[PatsFan1283]

See what I mean chop? Notice the headline isn't about regulation but the fact he said it is unregulated day trading. I figured that would happen.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/28/jeb-bush-daily-fantasy-sports-is-day-trading.html

I didn't realize Christie at the end said "LET PEOPLE PLAY, WHO CARES"

Good for him.

 

[scottcarter]

The Republican presidential debate on CNBC is over and the candidates have spoken. We heard their positions on jobs, taxes, technology, retirement and the health of our economy.



Donald Trump 48.24%


Ted Cruz 19.2%


Marco Rubio 13.92%


Ben Carson 4.59%


John Kasich 3.39%


Rand Paul 3.3%


Carly Fiorina 2.97%


Chris Christie 2.56%


Jeb Bush 1.18%


Mike Huckabee 0.65%

 

[JDeuce]

I will say this: Every candidate on that stage understands economics better than the community organizer and the clowns at the last Dem debate.

It is truly frightening what the Democrat party is becoming.

Countermoonbat ‏@CounterMoonbat 2 hours ago

Past experience:

Dr. Ben Carson - separating conjoined twins with a scalpel

Obama - holding a clipboard

#GOPDebate

 

[JDeuce]

Republicans have one shot and one shot only.

If Rubio is not the nom get use to saying President Clinton.

Thats all there is to it.

I'm not so sure.

Trump and Carson beat Hitlery pretty easily if the election were today...at least according to polling. But it's still way too early to take any of this shit seriously.

A lot can happen in a year. And here's the x-factor everyone is overlooking: I truly believe the Stuttering Clusterfuck does not want fat grandma taking over the White House. Would not surprise me in the least if he works behind the scenes against her.

Put it this way...why do you think he appointed grandma to the SoS position? It's because that deals with foreign affairs, and an overwhelming majority of the dimocrap base couldn't care less about foreign policy. They only care about what Uncle Sam will put in their open mouths. In other words, get grandma as far away from setting any kid of domestic policy s possible. Just my 2 cents, but I think the SCOAMF would rather see a R take over the WH than Hitlery.

 

[scottcarter]

Trump is the only chance for the GOP to take the White House.

 

[neverbend]

Trump could drool and take a dump on stage and you will declare him the winner.

Drudge: who won the debate:
Trump 59%
Cruz 19%
Rubio 9%
No one else over 5%

Even in Bush & Rubio's home state Florida the results were:
Trump 53%
Rubio 18%
Cruz, Carson & Kasich 6%
No one else over 3%

So Scott C. was correct Trump won the debate & partly because of exactly what your comeback
to his post was. Trump's support is a mile wide but also a mile deep, while his top opponents
Bush, Rubio & Carson support may be a mile wide also but hardly a foot deep. Trump's support
is solid!!!!!

Christie, Cruz & Rubio helped themselves today. Christie's numbers will go up, Cruz numbers will go up
at the expense of Carson. Rubio's numbers will go up at the expense of Bush.

Trump was great he devastated Kasich on Lehman Brothers, & every time he was called,
which quite frankly wasn't that much he perform well. He made sure he got in his points,
Super-Pacs have to go, he let the audience know he singularly ended CSNBC hope for a 3 hour debate to
remind those listening that he's the guy who gets things done.

Trumps numbers will not be affected negatively at all because of his performance that's a victory!
Bush's will & Carson's may fall.

 

[neverbend]

Trump looked terrible when asked for clarification/explanation re., Zuckerberg (immigration) and of Rubio being his private senator. He denied it!! All the while its IN HIS IMMIGRATION REFORM policy.


That's Theatre of The Absurd

That was a surprise but let's face it. Who won that verbal tug of war Trump won not the moderator, even when he
fibs a little Trump seems to have a 3 point landing.

 

[roadreeler57]

They looked unified against the media for trying to turn it into a shit throwing match & the stupid questions & that was good...

 

[roadreeler57]

Gotta hand it to Cruz for this
http://www.hannity.com/articles/hanpr-election-493995/watch-ted-cruz-slams-the-debate-14076753/

 

[PatsFan1283]

Rubio is embarrassing. Harwood is just schooling him on his own tax plan. hno:

Missed this. Harwood was wrong about who the benefits go to on a % basis.

http://taxfoundation.org/sites/taxfoundation.org/files/docs/FF457-Charts_4.png

There is the tax foundation analysis. Harwood even said he was wrong on twitter.

That was only like the 77th dumbest thing that guy said over the course of the debate though, so not really too big a deal.