its been said a thousand times
GRANDE
OLYMPIC
CRIS
CANBET
WSEX
BOWMANS
play there and dont worry about anything like this shit happening
in defence of EWINNER though last time a book took a stance like thisit was PCI against Securebuxx..I myself slammed DT and PCI, which in the long run we know now that PCI was right all along
[This message was edited by BettingProphets on September 29, 2003 at 01:42 PM.]
GRANDE
OLYMPIC
CRIS
CANBET
WSEX
BOWMANS
play there and dont worry about anything like this shit happening
in defence of EWINNER though last time a book took a stance like thisit was PCI against Securebuxx..I myself slammed DT and PCI, which in the long run we know now that PCI was right all along
[This message was edited by BettingProphets on September 29, 2003 at 01:42 PM.]
It's tough to get a grasp on exactly what is going on here because I don't think we have really heard the full story and all the facts yet. One thing although is apparent. Ewinner has money to pay some seeing as they have been paying players today. They are just refusing to pay multiply account holders.
My opinion of them not calling Shrink yet is due to the fact that Ken helped mediate the Rio/Sick Gambler fiasco and Rio lost out so why wouldn't Ewinner end up in the same boat? Eventually someone has to stand up to scammers.
Let's see how this unfolds, hopefully we will get more info from the principals involved.
HTRC
My opinion of them not calling Shrink yet is due to the fact that Ken helped mediate the Rio/Sick Gambler fiasco and Rio lost out so why wouldn't Ewinner end up in the same boat? Eventually someone has to stand up to scammers.
Let's see how this unfolds, hopefully we will get more info from the principals involved.
HTRC
Hate,
These guys are a much more serious case than me. Unlike myself, there are 3 different names here at one time at the same book circumventing limits. I only had 1 name at one time, never circumvented limits, never played both sides of a game to meet rollover.. My only issue was it was not my real name betting..I have NEVER had more than 1 name at one book at the same time. I don't know how this guy had the guts to open 3 names at once and put in bets one after the other there for the max. How did they not expect to get caught..
I am not on Ewinners side because they owe me money either. I only have a couple of dimes left in there now..And that figure was much much more 8 days ago, and have paid me each and every time I've asked for a payout..
So it does seem to me that Ewinner has been paying out their customers, as you can see from other posters. And I am sure after this fiasco about them, there must be a lot more withdrawals happening today at Ewinner.And from what it seems, they haven't missed a beat..
These guys are a much more serious case than me. Unlike myself, there are 3 different names here at one time at the same book circumventing limits. I only had 1 name at one time, never circumvented limits, never played both sides of a game to meet rollover.. My only issue was it was not my real name betting..I have NEVER had more than 1 name at one book at the same time. I don't know how this guy had the guts to open 3 names at once and put in bets one after the other there for the max. How did they not expect to get caught..
I am not on Ewinners side because they owe me money either. I only have a couple of dimes left in there now..And that figure was much much more 8 days ago, and have paid me each and every time I've asked for a payout..
So it does seem to me that Ewinner has been paying out their customers, as you can see from other posters. And I am sure after this fiasco about them, there must be a lot more withdrawals happening today at Ewinner.And from what it seems, they haven't missed a beat..
Sick, I understand the point you are trying to make and although I don't agree that's just my opinion. My belief is that anything other than having 1 Account at 1 sportsbook under your Given Name is an attempt to defraud a book.
Using your example, conceivable would it be okay to apply and get a Credit Card with someone elses name on it, as long as you are paying the bill and only have one card at any given time?
Identity Fraud is a crime in both Canada and the US. and that is what I believe that to be.
HTRC
Using your example, conceivable would it be okay to apply and get a Credit Card with someone elses name on it, as long as you are paying the bill and only have one card at any given time?
Identity Fraud is a crime in both Canada and the US. and that is what I believe that to be.
HTRC
I have a question for the board. When i was in college i lived in a rental house with 3 other guys. 2 of us both played and had accounts with wsex. Im sure there are similar situations out there. should they be penalized? What happens in a case like that. For the middle agers plus take my word for it there are tons of college kids betting on sports and alot share housing. I know this is not exactly what happened here but it shows that it could very well happen in other situations..
I just now got the time to respond to all of this. Keep in mind that my account was reloaded twice and received the 20% bonus both times. They were and are giving 20% bonus on all reloads and new accounts. Their was no reason for me to open a new account to scam for a bonus. The other thing is that we did not bet against each other as far as I am aware of to scam for a bonus either. The only thing that can be claimed is that we circumvented the limits. However, I have tried to send our id's to prove that we are two seperate people. We both are in school and I can also show our school id's. As far as us only affording 1 computer. Of course we have another computer, but only one cable modem which is what we accessed the accounts from. The other thing is that I opened my account before my buddy and won. He then opened his account to to try and make some money off my plays, and he did. The problem here, is that we won. Plain and simple. They now are trying to find an excuse to steal our money. They didn't want to see our id's, they didn't want to even allow me to try and prove the identities. Why? The other thing is, as stated in their rules, only the initial deposit would be refunded on all accounts. According to their rules I should at least get back my $1500 initial deposit. But no, I get nothing back. This is thievery pure and simple.
Bern, before opening an account at any book a player should read the rules. If like Ewinner there is a rule about confiscating monies if they suspect multiple accounts then make sure you and your roomates are playing at different books, and even if there isn't then speak with a manager to insure that it won't be a problem and get it in writing (email) as proof. With so many books out there why does every flock to the same book (other than referral bonuses and such)
HTRC
HTRC
Did you ever think "whales swim with whales, and fish swim with fish?" I have a lot of friends that bet over a dime, I can't think of one that doesn't. Just because they all make large wagers doesn't mean its cheating. Hell, even if they bet the same game, what's the difference. If they can prove their ID, then pay up. Keep the bonus if you must, but pay the man!<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EWINNER:
The IP argument being made doesn't hold up for the following reasons.
Assuming that in a random situation that represents less than 1% of all users worldwide you share an IP with another person 100 miles away, we can believe this. For all 6 accounts let’s assume that they indeed all shared one IP address and that of those 1000 people 3 randomly all were dime bettors who just randomly choose to wager with EWINNER.
Then these folks all bet the same games night after night, the same random games, from the same random IP network, on the same random sportsbook.
It's a very strong argument you are making but unfortunately we don't see the validity.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The IP argument being made doesn't hold up for the following reasons.
Assuming that in a random situation that represents less than 1% of all users worldwide you share an IP with another person 100 miles away, we can believe this. For all 6 accounts let’s assume that they indeed all shared one IP address and that of those 1000 people 3 randomly all were dime bettors who just randomly choose to wager with EWINNER.
Then these folks all bet the same games night after night, the same random games, from the same random IP network, on the same random sportsbook.
It's a very strong argument you are making but unfortunately we don't see the validity.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
This one is NOT TOUGH..
Take the bet, pay the bet. End of discussion.
If someone opened multiple accounts (which the more I read seems like a cop out by these guys) then it is YOUR responsibility to police your players.
If this is too tough, then dont jump in the pool, let the big boys do it.
You took the accounts, allowed them to be funded multiple times and play, you pay the bets.
It is 100% on the shoulders of EWhiners to make sure that the accounts they take money for follow their guidelines.
This whole discussion is about pointing fingers and trying to get off the hook by this book.
Improve your software to scan for multiple accounts on an IP, require proof before opening an account..you cant use this excuse for not paying.
Watch everyone..this is just the beginning, this place is going to shut their doors..thats the bottom line.
I hate it when the book cries..you take the money, you take the losing bets, you PAY the winning bets.
NEXT!
Take the bet, pay the bet. End of discussion.
If someone opened multiple accounts (which the more I read seems like a cop out by these guys) then it is YOUR responsibility to police your players.
If this is too tough, then dont jump in the pool, let the big boys do it.
You took the accounts, allowed them to be funded multiple times and play, you pay the bets.
It is 100% on the shoulders of EWhiners to make sure that the accounts they take money for follow their guidelines.
This whole discussion is about pointing fingers and trying to get off the hook by this book.
Improve your software to scan for multiple accounts on an IP, require proof before opening an account..you cant use this excuse for not paying.
Watch everyone..this is just the beginning, this place is going to shut their doors..thats the bottom line.
I hate it when the book cries..you take the money, you take the losing bets, you PAY the winning bets.
NEXT!
Studbolt-
A few questions to clarify the situation:
1) Where do you go to school? City,State.
2) Does your account information at EWinner (address, city, state) match #1 above.
3) Do you and your buddy have the same address listed for both accounts? If you and your buddy live at the same location, then EWinnner should have the same address listed for the two separate accounts and only the names different.
4) When were the accounts created?
I'm asking this to bring out information that will clarify this situation and what EWinner knew and when they knew it.
A few questions to clarify the situation:
1) Where do you go to school? City,State.
2) Does your account information at EWinner (address, city, state) match #1 above.
3) Do you and your buddy have the same address listed for both accounts? If you and your buddy live at the same location, then EWinnner should have the same address listed for the two separate accounts and only the names different.
4) When were the accounts created?
I'm asking this to bring out information that will clarify this situation and what EWinner knew and when they knew it.
Some of you posters are trying to make these cases out to be a scam. What's wrong with me opening up an account, receiving a bonus, and accepting the conditions of the bonus, sometimes heavy, like at EWinner, 8x rollover, 15 (possibly 30 days) no payouts. Then when I have a good experience and recommend the place and I suggest to a friend they can also open an account at EWinner and get a bonus, now it's a scam!
My friend specifically got approval to use my computer to open the account. This is not denied. Even Corby agrees to the set of facts and has said he is on our side. He has even said to me that he thinks the accounts should be reinstated, but I don't honestly believe him because if he is telling the truth then I expect he could influnece the powers to be to do the right thing and reinstate the two accounts. Studbolts included.
When my friend makes a few of the same plays as I do, we both get slammed and have our money stolen. Me $2730 and my friend about $5100. My friend had only opened the account August 13 th. Where's the alleged scam. I think some of the sports book owners who are posting scam, scam ,scam, have closed minds and can only see things from a limited and misconstrued perspective.
My friend specifically got approval to use my computer to open the account. This is not denied. Even Corby agrees to the set of facts and has said he is on our side. He has even said to me that he thinks the accounts should be reinstated, but I don't honestly believe him because if he is telling the truth then I expect he could influnece the powers to be to do the right thing and reinstate the two accounts. Studbolts included.
When my friend makes a few of the same plays as I do, we both get slammed and have our money stolen. Me $2730 and my friend about $5100. My friend had only opened the account August 13 th. Where's the alleged scam. I think some of the sports book owners who are posting scam, scam ,scam, have closed minds and can only see things from a limited and misconstrued perspective.
Maybe all these acounts bet the same game because there was value. I look for value when I make a wager. Stating that the pairs of accounts are associated is reaching a false conclusion, which I happen to know is the case because I and a freind are one of the pairs. Closing accounts and confiscating the funds is stealing.
Shrink, how about a spell checker.
Shrink, how about a spell checker.
Bettor1-
Can you clarify which of the pairs of EWinner accounts relates to you? Also, can you indicate which city or state you are from?
I think EWinner is handling this poorly, but also I think we should get all the relevant facts out.
The duplicate account problem is fundamental. EWinner has raised the bar by providing reasonably specific information about the accounts in question. Bettor1, the appropriate response is to challenge their assertions. Specifically, in what state do you and your friend reside?
Can you clarify which of the pairs of EWinner accounts relates to you? Also, can you indicate which city or state you are from?
I think EWinner is handling this poorly, but also I think we should get all the relevant facts out.
The duplicate account problem is fundamental. EWinner has raised the bar by providing reasonably specific information about the accounts in question. Bettor1, the appropriate response is to challenge their assertions. Specifically, in what state do you and your friend reside?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wallstreetcappers:
This one is NOT TOUGH..
Take the bet, pay the bet. End of discussion.
If someone opened multiple accounts (which the more I read seems like a cop out by these guys) then it is YOUR responsibility to police your players.
If this is too tough, then dont jump in the pool, let the big boys do it.
You took the accounts, allowed them to be funded multiple times and play, you pay the bets.
It is 100% on the shoulders of EWhiners to make sure that the accounts they take money for follow their guidelines.
This whole discussion is about pointing fingers and trying to get off the hook by this book.
Improve your software to scan for multiple accounts on an IP, require proof before opening an account..you cant use this excuse for not paying.
Watch everyone..this is just the beginning, this place is going to shut their doors..thats the bottom line.
I hate it when the book cries..you take the money, you take the losing bets, you PAY the winning bets.
NEXT!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
'Nuff said.
This one is NOT TOUGH..
Take the bet, pay the bet. End of discussion.
If someone opened multiple accounts (which the more I read seems like a cop out by these guys) then it is YOUR responsibility to police your players.
If this is too tough, then dont jump in the pool, let the big boys do it.
You took the accounts, allowed them to be funded multiple times and play, you pay the bets.
It is 100% on the shoulders of EWhiners to make sure that the accounts they take money for follow their guidelines.
This whole discussion is about pointing fingers and trying to get off the hook by this book.
Improve your software to scan for multiple accounts on an IP, require proof before opening an account..you cant use this excuse for not paying.
Watch everyone..this is just the beginning, this place is going to shut their doors..thats the bottom line.
I hate it when the book cries..you take the money, you take the losing bets, you PAY the winning bets.
NEXT!
'Nuff said.
