i find it funny that the people who are not getting paid by ewinner just happen to know to show up at the rx. these players are not rookies who happened to have friends make their plays.
the mindset of pay them less the bonus and only to the limits that ewinner uses and show them the door.
it is not a books job to take the time to go over the plays a player tried to fvck them on and do any forensic accounting to come up with a fair number to pay them on.
these people tried to steal or take a shot at a business, the business caught them and they should pay? go and shoplift from walwart and if you get caught say you will pay for the item and see how that flies
if you take shots at a book this can happen. this never seems to happen to an innocent person.
finally a book puts their foot down and they are said to be stealing. if you have multiple accounts at a book it obviously give you an advantage, if not than why would you do it. what ever the advantage is its taking a shot at them expect them to treat you the same as you treated them.
bottom line is that it is ewinners call. if they feel these people tried to cheat them then take their money i have heard no other complaints about ewinner.
the mindset of pay them less the bonus and only to the limits that ewinner uses and show them the door.
it is not a books job to take the time to go over the plays a player tried to fvck them on and do any forensic accounting to come up with a fair number to pay them on.
these people tried to steal or take a shot at a business, the business caught them and they should pay? go and shoplift from walwart and if you get caught say you will pay for the item and see how that flies
if you take shots at a book this can happen. this never seems to happen to an innocent person.
finally a book puts their foot down and they are said to be stealing. if you have multiple accounts at a book it obviously give you an advantage, if not than why would you do it. what ever the advantage is its taking a shot at them expect them to treat you the same as you treated them.
bottom line is that it is ewinners call. if they feel these people tried to cheat them then take their money i have heard no other complaints about ewinner.
Nothing wrong with scamming scammers ewinner
Maybe by getting a taste of their own method of operation they will learn not to try and pull this shit again somewhere else. When you pull bait and switch tactics this is what you get. You try to fuk someone you get fuked back harder. Who gives a F U K about a bunch of greedy beards trying to burn a BIG HOLE in your book. F U K T H E M!!!! Dont give them shit ewinner.
Balls- While I do agree it looks stupid for one of the guys to show up here now. These people are taking a shot at the bonuses not taking a shot and saying they are not going to pay if they lose or anything. Ewinner would of kept the money if these guys lost so they can't keep there winnings.
You cannot compare a fortune 500 company Walmart(more like the top company) to ANY book offshore. But if you do fine. At Walmart if they had a special TODAY ONLY spend $50 get $10 off limit of one per person. The same person went through 3 different times and was caught do you think they would say ok we are taking all your merchandise back and keeping all the money you gave us?
You and Pipe do make some good points and this will teach everyone a lesson. I am against what they did but you can't steal there WINNINGS.
You cannot compare a fortune 500 company Walmart(more like the top company) to ANY book offshore. But if you do fine. At Walmart if they had a special TODAY ONLY spend $50 get $10 off limit of one per person. The same person went through 3 different times and was caught do you think they would say ok we are taking all your merchandise back and keeping all the money you gave us?
You and Pipe do make some good points and this will teach everyone a lesson. I am against what they did but you can't steal there WINNINGS.
ok krackman after that responce i will drop the fortune 500 walmart and go with this
if i walk out of my condo and find someone has broken my window and is in my car. i throw them around and take 200 dollars out of their pocket. they did not steal anything out of my car b/c i caught them. now i fix my windsheild and it only costs 150 dollars should i give him his 50 dollars back?
we don't know all of the facts here these players could have circumvented betting limits and made an extra 20,000 now what if the book owes them 15,000 could the book ask the player to give the 5,000 back. i'm sure these standup guys would fedex it right away.
if i walk out of my condo and find someone has broken my window and is in my car. i throw them around and take 200 dollars out of their pocket. they did not steal anything out of my car b/c i caught them. now i fix my windsheild and it only costs 150 dollars should i give him his 50 dollars back?
we don't know all of the facts here these players could have circumvented betting limits and made an extra 20,000 now what if the book owes them 15,000 could the book ask the player to give the 5,000 back. i'm sure these standup guys would fedex it right away.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ballsofblue:
we don't know all of the facts here these players could have circumvented betting limits and made an extra 20,000 now what if the book owes them 15,000 could the book ask the player to give the 5,000 back. i'm sure these standup guys would fedex it right away.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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He's got you there, Krackman..
we don't know all of the facts here these players could have circumvented betting limits and made an extra 20,000 now what if the book owes them 15,000 could the book ask the player to give the 5,000 back. i'm sure these standup guys would fedex it right away.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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He's got you there, Krackman..
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by krackman:
If they were betting the same games at the same lines at the same time then no they should not be paid.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah but you've known this from the start that they've been betting the same games at the same lines at the same time. That is why we they are not getting paid..
If they were betting the same games at the same lines at the same time then no they should not be paid.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah but you've known this from the start that they've been betting the same games at the same lines at the same time. That is why we they are not getting paid..
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Dont give them shit ewinner.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Just took a hit of the pipe and I had a change of heart on one part.
Krack your right about the winnings part..
I Didnt mean to make it sound so harsh even though it is. They should get their winnings. Because no matter how anyone looks at it this is cause for concern not only for these players but for everyone. By the looks of it ewinner hasnt even checked anything other than the ips and history of plays. Mainly it looks like they didnt even check to see if these people are legit. Me knows what it feels like to get stabbed in the pocket and believe me it dont feel good when it happens. Ewinner should at least reconsider on some part. Maybe have these people send them proof of who they are for starters. Then take it from there.
Just took a hit of the pipe and I had a change of heart on one part.
Krack your right about the winnings part..
I Didnt mean to make it sound so harsh even though it is. They should get their winnings. Because no matter how anyone looks at it this is cause for concern not only for these players but for everyone. By the looks of it ewinner hasnt even checked anything other than the ips and history of plays. Mainly it looks like they didnt even check to see if these people are legit. Me knows what it feels like to get stabbed in the pocket and believe me it dont feel good when it happens. Ewinner should at least reconsider on some part. Maybe have these people send them proof of who they are for starters. Then take it from there.
I still think the guy should get paid. If he lost on all the accounts, EWINNER wouldn't have had a problem taking his money.
I understand these books have these rules so they don't get blasted on one side, but once you take these bets, that should be it. It starts getting way to grey sometimes when it comes to "reasons for not paying out".
They can always layoff the action if they can't handle it.
I understand these books have these rules so they don't get blasted on one side, but once you take these bets, that should be it. It starts getting way to grey sometimes when it comes to "reasons for not paying out".
They can always layoff the action if they can't handle it.
ok, i will chime in.. Even though these boys did win money illegally with the numerous accts and circumvented the limits and all, it is true, had they lost everyone of those bets, and kept on losing their balance and kept on re upping, then Ewinner finds out 3 weeks later that these guys did this, and were meanwhile down 35k combined, NO WAY does Ewinner say, here you go boys, here's all your money back.
So because they only found out after all this, it is Ewinner's fault for not being on the ball and being careless in only finding out now.. They should have caught this right away, not weeks or months later. So because of this, Ewinner should pay out balance, since they got caught napping and pay the consequences and learn from this, BUT... deduct every single bonus ever given to these guys and not pay that.
THAT IS THE FAIREST WAY TO GO..
So because they only found out after all this, it is Ewinner's fault for not being on the ball and being careless in only finding out now.. They should have caught this right away, not weeks or months later. So because of this, Ewinner should pay out balance, since they got caught napping and pay the consequences and learn from this, BUT... deduct every single bonus ever given to these guys and not pay that.
THAT IS THE FAIREST WAY TO GO..
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by krackman:
If they were betting the same games at the same lines at the same time then no they should not be paid.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
ok so ewinner should:
1st audit all of the accounts for their plays.
2nd find the ip address that was used (b/c if multiple people actually exist they could have made there own plays for a different computer in their own state which would be ok)
3 match all accts with all ip's to see if limits were circumvented
4 determine how much bonus money was added to the accts. if they got more in bonus' than they should have by having multiple accts than take out that amount wagered on winners i would assume
5 take the total amt deposited, add the winnings,and subtract any withdrawls.
6 now subtract any money they made playing over limits. and you would have their total.
7 now if the balance is still positive pay them. if its negative than right it off as a loss b/c you'll never see it again.
and maybe the most important be in a good mood about the whole deal when followning 1-7 and try to forget that the guy your doing this for just tried to fvck you.
If they were betting the same games at the same lines at the same time then no they should not be paid.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
ok so ewinner should:
1st audit all of the accounts for their plays.
2nd find the ip address that was used (b/c if multiple people actually exist they could have made there own plays for a different computer in their own state which would be ok)
3 match all accts with all ip's to see if limits were circumvented
4 determine how much bonus money was added to the accts. if they got more in bonus' than they should have by having multiple accts than take out that amount wagered on winners i would assume
5 take the total amt deposited, add the winnings,and subtract any withdrawls.
6 now subtract any money they made playing over limits. and you would have their total.
7 now if the balance is still positive pay them. if its negative than right it off as a loss b/c you'll never see it again.
and maybe the most important be in a good mood about the whole deal when followning 1-7 and try to forget that the guy your doing this for just tried to fvck you.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sick gambler:
ok, i will chime in.. Even though these boys did win money illegally with the numerous accts and circumvented the limits and all, it is true, had they lost everyone of those bets, and kept on losing their balance and kept on re upping, then Ewinner finds out 3 weeks later that these guys did this, and were meanwhile down 35k combined, NO WAY does Ewinner say, here you go boys, here's all your money back.
So because they only found out after all this, it is Ewinner's fault for not being on the ball and being careless in only finding out now.. They should have caught this right away, not weeks or months later. So because of this, Ewinner should pay out balance, since they got caught napping and pay the consequences and learn from this, BUT... deduct every single bonus ever given to these guys and not pay that.
THAT IS THE FAIREST WAY TO GO..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
so when can rio expect a check from the bonus' that they gave you. being its the faires way to go
ok, i will chime in.. Even though these boys did win money illegally with the numerous accts and circumvented the limits and all, it is true, had they lost everyone of those bets, and kept on losing their balance and kept on re upping, then Ewinner finds out 3 weeks later that these guys did this, and were meanwhile down 35k combined, NO WAY does Ewinner say, here you go boys, here's all your money back.
So because they only found out after all this, it is Ewinner's fault for not being on the ball and being careless in only finding out now.. They should have caught this right away, not weeks or months later. So because of this, Ewinner should pay out balance, since they got caught napping and pay the consequences and learn from this, BUT... deduct every single bonus ever given to these guys and not pay that.
THAT IS THE FAIREST WAY TO GO..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
so when can rio expect a check from the bonus' that they gave you. being its the faires way to go
BALLS MAN,
ONE THING YOU'RE OVERLOOKING HERE KIDDO, I NEVER EVER CIRCUMVENTED LIMITS. I NEVER EVER BET OPPOSITE SIDES OF ANY GAME TO FULFILL BONUS. NOT EVEN THE FREE HALF PTS WHICH I COULD HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF. MY NAME WAS LEGIT AND INFO TOO MATCHED.. I NEVER HAD MORE THAN 1 ACCT THERE AT THE SAME TIME.. I PLAYED FAIR.. GAVE THEM 400 DIMES IN QUALITY ACTION... I NEVER TOOK A SHOT AT THEM.. NEVER TRIED TO OUTSMART THEM BY PULLING ANY STUNTS LIKE HAVING 3 ACCTS OPENED AT SAME TIME LIKE HERE TO CIRCUMVENT LIMITS. I PLAYED VERY CLEAN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH
ONE THING YOU'RE OVERLOOKING HERE KIDDO, I NEVER EVER CIRCUMVENTED LIMITS. I NEVER EVER BET OPPOSITE SIDES OF ANY GAME TO FULFILL BONUS. NOT EVEN THE FREE HALF PTS WHICH I COULD HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF. MY NAME WAS LEGIT AND INFO TOO MATCHED.. I NEVER HAD MORE THAN 1 ACCT THERE AT THE SAME TIME.. I PLAYED FAIR.. GAVE THEM 400 DIMES IN QUALITY ACTION... I NEVER TOOK A SHOT AT THEM.. NEVER TRIED TO OUTSMART THEM BY PULLING ANY STUNTS LIKE HAVING 3 ACCTS OPENED AT SAME TIME LIKE HERE TO CIRCUMVENT LIMITS. I PLAYED VERY CLEAN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH
ok sick
i just don't understand if you or anyone has anyone else does not gain an advantage by having multiple accts then why would you do it. your not a novice its got to do something that benifits you or you would not do it. anyway thats over and done with.
i think these guys took a shot at ewinner and its ewinners decision and right, not to pay them and kudos to them for standing up for what they believe even under the pressue. i wish them the best in the present and future
i just don't understand if you or anyone has anyone else does not gain an advantage by having multiple accts then why would you do it. your not a novice its got to do something that benifits you or you would not do it. anyway thats over and done with.
i think these guys took a shot at ewinner and its ewinners decision and right, not to pay them and kudos to them for standing up for what they believe even under the pressue. i wish them the best in the present and future
BALLS,
THEY OBVIOUSLY PLAYED VERY DIRTY THESE GUYS. I MEAN, OPENING UP 3 ACCTS AT THE SAME TIME IS DISTURBING.. THEY DO THIS TO END UP WITH 3 DIMES ON A GAME.WOW..THAT REALLY WAS TAKING A SHOT AT EWINNER AND ACTUALLY MOCKING THEM. THIS IS MORE THAN JUST USING MULT ACCTS. THIS IS HORRIBLE. DIDNT THEY USE THEIR HEADS AND SAY, HEY, MAYBE THEY WILL GET SUSPICIOUS HERE.
THEY OBVIOUSLY PLAYED VERY DIRTY THESE GUYS. I MEAN, OPENING UP 3 ACCTS AT THE SAME TIME IS DISTURBING.. THEY DO THIS TO END UP WITH 3 DIMES ON A GAME.WOW..THAT REALLY WAS TAKING A SHOT AT EWINNER AND ACTUALLY MOCKING THEM. THIS IS MORE THAN JUST USING MULT ACCTS. THIS IS HORRIBLE. DIDNT THEY USE THEIR HEADS AND SAY, HEY, MAYBE THEY WILL GET SUSPICIOUS HERE.
EWINNER,
I took you down because you guys did not have enough money to pay out gamblers on Friday...
In fact, someone that knows your financial position very well called to tell me that you would use this as an excuse not to pay these gamblers....
You are hoping that one of your owners comes up with some big money by later today...
The fact that you NEVER called me to discuss any of this leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.
Most of your customers came from this site and I will NOT allow a sports book to continue on here without room for negotiations when disputes arise...
THE SHRINK
I took you down because you guys did not have enough money to pay out gamblers on Friday...
In fact, someone that knows your financial position very well called to tell me that you would use this as an excuse not to pay these gamblers....
You are hoping that one of your owners comes up with some big money by later today...
The fact that you NEVER called me to discuss any of this leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.
Most of your customers came from this site and I will NOT allow a sports book to continue on here without room for negotiations when disputes arise...
THE SHRINK
Back out the fees and the bonus (if requirements weren't met) and pay out the rest. That's all. Not fair for a book to pick and choose what bets they take after the games are over. What am I missing?
Just had a similar case with BlockbusterBets. They paid out the player as they knew it wasn't fair to take money from the losing side and keep the cash from the winners too. Anyone want to believe had these guys lost money the book would give their money back? Come on E-Winner do what's right here, you're right there is no mediation needed. Pay the player and show them the door.
Just had a similar case with BlockbusterBets. They paid out the player as they knew it wasn't fair to take money from the losing side and keep the cash from the winners too. Anyone want to believe had these guys lost money the book would give their money back? Come on E-Winner do what's right here, you're right there is no mediation needed. Pay the player and show them the door.
