Donald Trump’s victory is a disaster for Republicans and for America

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I'm going to suggest you stick to what I wrote, that being I oppose tariffs that diminish our ability to compete and that we reciprocate in those situations

and I don't believe the status quo is a better alternative

Fair enough. I prefer the status quo to 35-45% tariffs. We can agree to disagree. Apologies that my prior post seemed condescending and rude. Wasn't my intent.
 
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You could cut the corporate tax rate to 0 and Apple's end of assembly manufacturing still wouldn't be done in the US.

Most of Apple's product design is done in CA and most of their chipmaking is done by Intel in AZ/CA.

He's just telling people that don't know anything what they want to hear when it comes to trade.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/433575/trade-american-economy-free-trade-costing-american-jobs

Doubt anyone reads this but it is a good read.

You got one reader. Good stuff. Thanks for posting. Wish everyone here would read it.
 

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Fair enough. I prefer the status quo to 35-45% tariffs. We can agree to disagree. Apologies that my prior post seemed condescending and rude. Wasn't my intent.

it's OK, I do likewise but I'm trying to take the highroad once again. There used to be respectful dissent, but this place has been mostly a sewer in recent years.

there are a handful of posters that simply can't be respected, I'll take potshots at them for entertainment purposes

I hope more respectful political adversaries don't become collateral damage, just know when I'm off the wall obnoxious, I'm toying around and pushing buttons
 

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http://recode.net/2016/01/19/how-donald-trump-got-everything-wrong-about-apple-in-one-sentence/

This is a rundown about Apple and the manufacturing of consumer electronics that I was talking about in a previous post.

America needs to become more competitive globally but saying the Steel industry is going to comeback to Ohio or Pennsylvania or that you're going to put a 25% tariff from Mexican imports on Ford and they're going to close up shop is just selling a dream. It is no different than saying homeownership is at an all-time high or subsidized healthcare is going to be available for everyone. There is no quick fix to these issues. I realize all politicians sell the dream and we're talking lesser of two evils, but it doesn't mean these proposals or rhetoric aren't above critique.

But it is much easier to tell people this than tell them the alternative, that they have to evolve as our economy becomes more and more disrupted by technology and globalism.
 

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Yes, the manufacturing losses are due to productivity. Not NAFTA or China.

What America can do to have those types of jobs expand is to have things such as the Keystone pipeline move forward and continue expanding fracking. One political party stands opposed to those ideas and we all know who that is.

Anyway, whether or not you support Trump I think this is a good thing:

[h=1]Lobbyists struggle with Trump reality[/h]
As a Republican, I'm depressed,” said Tom Korologos, a strategic advisor for DLA Piper and alum of several presidential administrations who supported Jeb Bush and then John Kasich during the race.
Korologos, who served as the ambassador to Belgium during the George W. Bush Administration, said he had lunch with other lobbyists on Wednesday, and the mood was grim.
They were all depressed,” he said.
 

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how can one do the pros and cons of trump and hillary-and say hillary comes out looking better.
 

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[h=2]Donald Trump accuses Hillary Clinton of SUPPORTING husband Bill's affairs and destroying the lives of his mistresses[/h]
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Donald Trump has accused Hillary Clinton of supporting her husband Bill's infidelity and destroying the lives of his mistresses. His searing personal jibes at a rally in Oregon came after Hillary branded the GOP frontrunner misogynistic. 'She's been the total enabler,' Trump yelled on Friday night.

 

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[h=2]'Does it have to be unified?' Defiant Trump says he can win WITHOUT backing of Republican leaders and says party doesn't need to show united front[/h]
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Donald Trump hit back at Republican leaders who refuse to endorse him by saying on Saturday he can win without the support of a unified GOP


 

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You could cut the corporate tax rate to 0 and Apple's end of assembly manufacturing still wouldn't be done in the US.

Most of Apple's product design is done in CA and most of their chipmaking is done by Intel in AZ/CA.

He's just telling people that don't know anything what they want to hear when it comes to trade.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/433575/trade-american-economy-free-trade-costing-american-jobs

Doubt anyone reads this but it is a good read.

you can compete better, you will obtain and retain more, and that's what it's all about

it's not rocket science, exceptions don't change anything, and there are always exceptions as nothing is perfect

some policies are just better than others
 

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you can compete better, you will obtain and retain more, and that's what it's all about

it's not rocket science, exceptions don't change anything, and there are always exceptions as nothing is perfect

some policies are just better than others

I wasn't saying a lower corporate tax rate isn't a good thing, I think it is essential going forward. I was saying it won't change Apple's manufacturing process in any way and telling people it will in every single speech you do is disingenuous, like I say in post #44.

The very first speech Trump had he said he was going to call Ford's CEO up and tell him that any cars made in Mexico coming into the US are going to have a 25% tariff and Ford will whine and complain but eventually bow down to him because he isn't beholden to anyone, how is this a message of competing better? It is a message that you're going to strongarm a company into doing what you want with interventionist gov't policy rather than free market pro-business solutions.

There is endless populist rhetoric that shows hostility towards American business and industry from this guy. I could go on and on listing examples. How many companies has he said he is boycotting on the campaign trail? Apple for not providing a backdoor, Oreo's because Nabisco has non-US operations, Amazon because The Post has some writers who criticize him.

I understand you are fed up and wanna roll that dice, that's fine but this is is obviously stuff that merits discussion and obviously in my opinion criticism. I don't think he is really selling what you think he is selling.
 

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I'm pretty grounded my friend, nobody sells me anything. I'm policy oriented, and I espouse policies that make our country and my state more competitive. I oppose larger bureaucracies, red tape, higher taxes and increased regulations.

As for specific promises and predictions, they mean nothing to me.
 

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There is probably a link with better audio but I found this in 5 seconds. This is the canned speech at every single event. 3:30 mark, does that sound like a limited government pro-free enterprise message to you? No of course not, it's just Bernie-esque populism.

 

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I'm pretty grounded my friend, nobody sells me anything. I'm policy oriented, and I espouse policies that make our country and my state more competitive. I oppose larger bureaucracies, red tape, higher taxes and increased regulations.

As for specific promises and predictions, they mean nothing to me.

Yeah but nobody is criticizing or disagreeing with your views or rhetoric (atleast in this thread), they're criticizing Trump's. Which I would say run counter to yours in many ways.

I mean who knows, maybe he knows it's BS but the people eat it up so he rolls with it and he will govern differently. We really don't know, he is a huge wildcard. He obviously has an extremely good feel for people's wants, needs and emotions.
 

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Yeah but nobody is criticizing or disagreeing with your views or rhetoric (atleast in this thread), they're criticizing Trump's. Which I would say run counter to yours in many ways.

I mean who knows, maybe he knows it's BS but the people eat it up so he rolls with it and he will govern differently. We really don't know, he is a huge wildcard. He obviously has an extremely good feel for people's wants, needs and emotions.

Like this:

Donald Trump Walks Back Tax Plan, Saying 'It's Going to Be Negotiated'

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-walks-back-tax-plan-negotiated/story?id=38959168

'Negotiated' with the donkeys that got us into this mess?

:pucking:
 

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Like this:

Donald Trump Walks Back Tax Plan, Saying 'It's Going to Be Negotiated'

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-walks-back-tax-plan-negotiated/story?id=38959168

'Negotiated' with the donkeys that got us into this mess?

:pucking:

I couldn't even tell you if he wants to raise taxes or not after that interview.

No talk of cutting spending or reducing the size of gov't obviously.

People say politicians this and that but the position of someone like Rubio or Cruz would not be up for debate on something as simple as this.

"I'm willing to pay more and you know what, wealthy are willing to pay more" Ehh...Might wanna check a poll on that 1 Donald.

And that's the good candidate! What a time to be alive.
 

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For all of you naysayer’s, if Trump becomes President he can’t possibly be worse than his predecessor. Can you say the same for Hillary?


The choice is yours.
 

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For all of you naysayer’s, if Trump becomes President he can’t possibly be worse than his predecessor. Can you say the same for Hillary?


The choice is yours.

I don't live in a swing state so my Gary Johnson vote won't really matter. And besides, nobody cares what I think anyway, if they did then Marco Rubio would be President. Sorry for testing your gag reflex with that last comment.
 

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I don't live in a swing state so my Gary Johnson vote won't really matter. And besides, nobody cares what I think anyway, if they did then Marco Rubio would be President. Sorry for testing your gag reflex with that last comment.
I live in a State who’s population is over 2 million with 6 electoral votes. My vote means virtually nothing.


Having said that I do think casting a vote for someone who has a chance is better than a protest vote. If I wanted to protest I’d write in Curly Howard.


No gagging here, I get enough of that every time I read one of the 3 amigos posts.
 

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