<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wilheim:
Would anyone out there make bets of this size under these circumstances and leave yourself incommunicado. When you sign up at a book you have to supply a Phone Number and E-mail address. If what Wesex claims is true how do you expect them to contact Revere to discuss the problem? Every on-line book uses EM to conduct business with customers. To not have a current EM or phone is the players fault. It looks to me like he did not want to be reached before or during the game, could that possibly be the case?
Everytime one of these incidents comes up the player could have avoided the problem by doing the right thing. Also what makes most of you guys think that WSEX would not have refunded his money if the game had lost? I know "how naive can you be". Excuse me, but I will not condem anyone without some evidence that they would have kept the money if he lost. This guy is in the wrong and knows it. Maybe Wsex will make some sort of deal with him, I hope so, but deep down I don't believe he deserves it. Do the right thing and this stuff will not happen to you.
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Wil,
If you think WSEX was going to refund his money if the bets lost, then why on earth would they wait till after the game was over? Why not just cancel all the bets except for $500 before the game start and not have to deal with returning 39,500 after the game was over?? That tells me one thing. They would have graded all his bets as a loss if Man United lost. They took their shot and they lost and then decided we will only credit him with a $500 bet win. Just does not make sense if they were not trying to pull one over him.
Would anyone out there make bets of this size under these circumstances and leave yourself incommunicado. When you sign up at a book you have to supply a Phone Number and E-mail address. If what Wesex claims is true how do you expect them to contact Revere to discuss the problem? Every on-line book uses EM to conduct business with customers. To not have a current EM or phone is the players fault. It looks to me like he did not want to be reached before or during the game, could that possibly be the case?
Everytime one of these incidents comes up the player could have avoided the problem by doing the right thing. Also what makes most of you guys think that WSEX would not have refunded his money if the game had lost? I know "how naive can you be". Excuse me, but I will not condem anyone without some evidence that they would have kept the money if he lost. This guy is in the wrong and knows it. Maybe Wsex will make some sort of deal with him, I hope so, but deep down I don't believe he deserves it. Do the right thing and this stuff will not happen to you.
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Wil,
If you think WSEX was going to refund his money if the bets lost, then why on earth would they wait till after the game was over? Why not just cancel all the bets except for $500 before the game start and not have to deal with returning 39,500 after the game was over?? That tells me one thing. They would have graded all his bets as a loss if Man United lost. They took their shot and they lost and then decided we will only credit him with a $500 bet win. Just does not make sense if they were not trying to pull one over him.
I agree the software problem is defintely bad business. I would like to see the cancelled or incorrect e-mail attempt. They always leave a trail, Not sent etc. The bad phone number is a little more on the touchy side, as far as posting it here but it could certainly be supplied to the Rx. as evidence. I believe it like 4 in the morning in England so most likely we will hear more tommorow.
wil.
wil.
Now maybe a few poeple understand when I ask, "what is the size of the sportsbook". While I've never had a problem with WSEX, apparently Steve is posible only one of two people that has authority to make decisions. That's not a good situation.
On the other hand, this particular player, HAD TO KNOW, he wasn't exactly in the right. TWO HOURS to place wagers? WRONG Phone # ?
Sometimes, I have been driving in the past and didn't know what the speed limit was. Now I know it was either 60 or maybe 65 whatever. But I knew damn sure it wasn't 110 mph.
On the other hand if WSEX had taken similiar wagers in the past from this guy--that has to be taken into account as well.
I hope it works out for both sides. I think WSEX is honest, but I don't know all the facts here.
On the other hand, this particular player, HAD TO KNOW, he wasn't exactly in the right. TWO HOURS to place wagers? WRONG Phone # ?
Sometimes, I have been driving in the past and didn't know what the speed limit was. Now I know it was either 60 or maybe 65 whatever. But I knew damn sure it wasn't 110 mph.
On the other hand if WSEX had taken similiar wagers in the past from this guy--that has to be taken into account as well.
I hope it works out for both sides. I think WSEX is honest, but I don't know all the facts here.
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this is such a tough call, I have known Revere for 2 yrs and I know he is a serious guy....both parties are prolly wrong here, and I hope all can be resolved to each's satifaction<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Clevfan I agree with you. Both parties are probably wrong. And both parties took shots at each other. So as far as I am concerned they are even and the winner should get paid. I would be citing with Wsex if the situation was that Man United lost.
this is such a tough call, I have known Revere for 2 yrs and I know he is a serious guy....both parties are prolly wrong here, and I hope all can be resolved to each's satifaction<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Clevfan I agree with you. Both parties are probably wrong. And both parties took shots at each other. So as far as I am concerned they are even and the winner should get paid. I would be citing with Wsex if the situation was that Man United lost.
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Sometimes, I have been driving in the past and didn't know what the speed limit was. Now I know it was either 60 or maybe 65 whatever. But I knew damn sure it wasn't 110 mph.
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Brilliant. A perfect post. I was sitting back thinking "how can I put this" and you did it for me.
But really people, I think we are losing focus on the real issue at hand......we need the RAMS TO COVER!
Sometimes, I have been driving in the past and didn't know what the speed limit was. Now I know it was either 60 or maybe 65 whatever. But I knew damn sure it wasn't 110 mph.
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Brilliant. A perfect post. I was sitting back thinking "how can I put this" and you did it for me.
But really people, I think we are losing focus on the real issue at hand......we need the RAMS TO COVER!
THIS IS THE WHOLE STORY BOYS BELIEVE IT OR NOT.ITS THE SAMETHING LENNY DID TO ME.STEVE AND THE BOYS WATCHED THIS SOCCER GAME LAUGHING LIKE A BASTARD AT REVERE.BECAUSE IN THERE MINDS THIS WAS A FREE SHOT AND THE 40 GRAND WAS PROBABLY GOING TO BE SPLIT AMOUNST THE BIG MANAGERS AT WSEX.I COULD SEE THE SETTING NOW STEVE AND THE BOYS COUNTING THERE MONEY WHEN THE SCORE WAS 1 TO 1 AND SAYING WE GOT HIM NOW FELLAS SOMEBODY GO GET ME ANOTHER BEER.THEN THE OTHER TEAM SCORED AND REVERE WON JIS BET SO THE FIRST THING THEY DID WAS SAY HEY WE TOOK A SHOT BIG DEAL WE PAY THIS SUCKER REVERE 500 DOLLARS AND LAUGH AT HIM HE-HE WELL STEVE I HOPE YOU ENJOYED THE LAUGHS BECAUSE ITS GOING TO COST WSEX 40 LARGE HUH-HUH PAL I HOPE YOU GOT YOU 40 GRAND WORTH OF LAUGHS.THEY PROBABLY THOUGHT THIS GUY REVERE WAS DUMB ENOUGH TO JUST GO AWAY BUT HE FOOLED STEVE AND THE BOYS AND FOUNF THE RX
That is your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. Steve has said he left the plays up so they would be there if some sort of agreement could have been made with Revere, when he asked his girls to call him. Unfortunately the number (according to Wsex) was a wrong one. So no deal was forthcoming. I believe he probably would have given a small % of the amount bet, say 2 dimes at plus 120, and then cancelled the rest. Again the inability to contact him made any thing along these lines impossible. This issue is kind of like the death penalty, you either take one side or the other. I have been around the business a long time and know that doing the right thing is always the way to go. Good Luck to you.
wil.
wil.
From everything I read here this is what stands out:
* WSEX states no maximum for soccer games
* this wasn't a "bad line"
Would it have been right for WSEX to cancel these wagers before the game started?
Not sure, argument can be made both ways.
Is it right for WSEX to make a decision after the game is over? No way, not even a question.
Revere has been playing there for years and I'm sure he understands their system. That you can bet more then once after their line changes or just bet a different amount if they are slow with the line. I'd probably venture to say that he made these bets when he did hoping to get as many in as possible before it got changed. He was sucessful.
* WSEX states no maximum for soccer games
* this wasn't a "bad line"
Would it have been right for WSEX to cancel these wagers before the game started?
Not sure, argument can be made both ways.
Is it right for WSEX to make a decision after the game is over? No way, not even a question.
Revere has been playing there for years and I'm sure he understands their system. That you can bet more then once after their line changes or just bet a different amount if they are slow with the line. I'd probably venture to say that he made these bets when he did hoping to get as many in as possible before it got changed. He was sucessful.
JJ WHY SHOULD REVERE ONLY GET 20 DIMES THIS MEANS HE PUT UP 40 GRAND TO MAKE 20 YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THERES NO WAY IF THIS GAME LOST THAT WSEX WOULD HAVE CREDITED REVERES ACCOUNT 39,500 DOLLARS LETS CUT THE SH-T HERE PAY THE GUY 40 GRAND LIKE I SAID EARLIER THIS IS CHUMP CHANGE FOR THESE GUYS BUT IF THEY DONT PAY THEY WILL BE KNOW AS A RAT SPORTSBOOK
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Do you believe that if this wager lost, revere14 would have been refunded?
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No.
That, along with the fact that the wagers were cancelled AFTER the match makes it very hard for wsex to get out of this jam.
Do you believe that if this wager lost, revere14 would have been refunded?
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No.
That, along with the fact that the wagers were cancelled AFTER the match makes it very hard for wsex to get out of this jam.
revere......can you email me: rxclevfan@hotmail.com need to ask you something, Thanks!
